Donald Trump Sack Watch

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Didn't he call the 2016 election rigged hours before he won it?

Yeah he did.

70 million people voted for this guy. Let that sink in.

Those 70 million will say they voted against radical leftist policies, destruction of cities, abortion, socialism, Antifa, BLM, Defund the Police, freedom from covid lockdowns and every other boogeyman Trump and his right-wing propaganda machines have fed them for 4 years.

They'll say Trump's an asshole, but he'll protect them from all that stuff. They're afraid, angry, gaslighted, and heavily misinformed by their own media as well as external elements from our enemies.

I'm not surprised. Black media in this country have been sounding this alarm for at least 2 years now. I had hoped for common sense and critical thinking to prevail, especially given how badly Trump has handled Covid, but it didn't happen.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Didn't he call the 2016 election rigged hours before he won it?

I'm just glad he added the 'o'

McLewis wrote:Those 70 million will say they voted against radical leftist policies, destruction of cities, abortion, socialism, Antifa, BLM, Defund the Police, freedom from covid lockdowns and every other boogeyman Trump and his right-wing propaganda machines have fed them for 4 years.

They'll say Trump's an asshole, but he'll protect them from all that stuff. They're afraid, angry, gaslighted, and heavily misinformed by their own media as well as external elements from our enemies.

I'm not surprised. Black media in this country have been sounding this alarm for at least 2 years now. I had hoped for common sense and critical thinking to prevail, especially given how badly Trump has handled Covid, but it didn't happen.

The problem is that this has essentially become a sport and part of every person's identity, so they're willing to justify anything. "Busquets may be a c**t but he's our c**t." is not that unusual a statement by a Barca fan, but it should be in politics, especially for an office that is supposed to represent all citizens.

Barca fans defend Busquets and want him to keep playing for Barca? One of the better pieces of news I've heard today

The thing is conservative people don't give a damn that Trump's a racist and misogynist. And for many it's even an added flavor! I would guess that lots of people in rural areas feel betrayed and looked down upon by Democrats and will take devil incarnate over a dem candidate. I mean we're talking about people who would deport Jesus if he arrived at the shore in 2020.

READ THE TRANSCRIPT IMO

Sacked

I am pleased to announce that Christopher C. Miller, the highly respected Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (unanimously confirmed by the Senate), will be Acting Secretary of Defense, effective immediately..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 9, 2020

WTF is happening over there? Coup d'Etat?

Y’all! This is Trump’s spiritual adviser. They have literally lost their shit! #WTF pic.twitter.com/OWSlLlqi2k

— Kelly Mantle (@thekellymantle) November 5, 2020

“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion @OANN

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 12, 2020

This guy is just peddling conspiracy theories now, Twitter should man up and follow their own rules, if he wasn't president he would've been suspended ages ago.

What do you mean, "now"? They're only not deleting his account because he's POTUS, they will insta delete him in february, what he's doing is violating every user guideline.

I've become quite angry on a daily basis at the backsliding of democracy.

And about how fucking stupid people are in this country. I might just about leave at some point. I'm not sure about the future of this country

He's slinging shit at republicans now too. Imagine if he ran 3rd party in 2024 and split the GOP base in half the hero we deserve and need

Now that Trump lost, The Atlantic dares to mentions things he got right

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/the-things-trump-got-right/617424/

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Now that Trump lost, The Atlantic dares to mentions things he got right

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/the-things-trump-got-right/617424/

Once you mention Jimmy Carter as a benchmark for any type of success, you've lost me. As horrible as Trump was/is, Carter was worse... he was more polite and less of an a-hole... but Carter was absolutely horrible. The US was quasi-bankrupt, consumer confidence was zero, we were mired in inflation (12% in 1980!!!), high unemployment (7.7%) and we were a laughing stock in international affairs.

Carter was the worse president in the history of the United States from a metrics perspective.

I mean, he's obviously a bad president (as most 4 termers tend to be), but he's no Andrew Jackson or Bush the younger.

sportsczy wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Now that Trump lost, The Atlantic dares to mentions things he got right

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/the-things-trump-got-right/617424/

Once you mention Jimmy Carter as a benchmark for any type of success, you've lost me. As horrible as Trump was/is, Carter was worse... he was more polite and less of an a-hole... but Carter was absolutely horrible. The US was quasi-bankrupt, consumer confidence was zero, we were mired in inflation (12% in 1980!!!), high unemployment (7.7%) and we were a laughing stock in international affairs.

Carter was the worse president in the history of the United States from a metrics perspective.

I read this quite a bit from conservatives, but I've never been sure whether it holds up to scrutiny. What specific policies did Carter enact that worsened the already bad situation caused by the oil crisis in Iran? Do you think his hiring Paul Volcker proved as fatal to his presidency as the botched Iran Hostage Crisis?

From what I can see, he added about $300B to the national debt, which is quite modest compared to what others have done. He also added 9.3 million jobs, a significant increase and more than many presidents since this began being measured. The Camp David Accord also earned him the Nobel Peace Prize. He created the Department of Energy and significantly increased deregulation to fight the energy crisis caused by the oil crisis, which led to lower oil prices. He also created the Department of Education, a crucial and very important action that was very much needed. He increased payroll taxes to keep Social Security afloat as well as raised the minimum wage to increase payroll tax revenues. Establishing full diplomatic relations with China really helped the US import consumer goods at better prices, lowering inflation though a trade deficit was the result of that.

For me, I think Carter gets quite the bad rap, especially from Reagan Republicans and their political descendants. There were far worse presidents who did little to nowhere near as much. He didn't succeed at everything and that unfortunately not threading that very difficult needle proved fatal to his presidency, but I think calling him the worst is hyperbolic.

With Iran?  Very simple.  The Shah of Iran, despite his obvious flaws, was an ally of the west.  The country was modernizing and prospering.  His issue was that he was put there by the US after the CIA murdered Mosaddegh, who was the prime minister after the previous Shah was overthrown.  They put this exiled young kid on the throne of Iran and he was weak and illegitimate.  With the help of the CIA, the brutal SAVAK was created to covertly make sure that this kid's power was held in place.  The CIA was rumored to actually run the SAVAK since the CIA trained and equipped them.  The Iranian military was also trained and equipped by the US.  So in short, they created a mess (because Mosaddegh called for oil to become public domain and to take control away from Western oil companies), put a puppet on the throne, abandoned the puppet and then allowed for an Islamic maniac to take over.

That's some historic context.

Carter comes to power and literally has no clue about what had happened and what the situation was.  He literally abandoned the Shah and the military.  Result?  People saw an opportunity to revolt.  That in itself was ok; totally legit imo.  BUT, the decision was made out of naivete, not good intentions.  Carter was cutting the budget loool.  Carter (and the French) decided that the Ayatollah Khomeini was someone to ally themselves with and help.  But why support this dude?  What has an exiled cleric have to do with a student revolution?  Nothing.  Carter was duped as you can read here:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter%27s_engagement_with_Ruhollah_Khomeini  
They didn't want another Mosaddegh to take over so they thought they could put another "friendly" in his place.

The Iranian military allied themselves with Khomeini, since he had support from the western powers, and sabotaged the student revolution.  ALL The student leaders were murdered after the revolution.  The US allowed this craziness to happen because of Carter being a naive moron.  The revolution in itself had good intentions.  But the West couldn't help but ruin it.

Khomeini quickly betrayed Carter (which any simpleton could have foreseen given this maniac's history) and then there was the hostage crisis, which Carter yet again mismanaged.  You can read about this one here:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/11/04/the-iranian-hostage-crisis-and-its-effect-on-american-politics/

Let's not get into Carter not planning for the obvious impact of an Iranian revolution on oil production, which caused the 1979 energy crisis... leading to 12% inflation rate and 7.7% unemployment when he left office.

Complete fucking idiot.

I hope all this give some insight into why the Iranian people will never ever ever trust the US. Ever ever ever. And for good reason.

Yeah the US interventions didn't really do any good for Venezuela, Chile, Nicaragua, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, Argentina or Egypt either.

Lol at conservative wimps crying this is infringing on freedom of speech, ignoring that sites like twitter or FB are private enterprises, set their own rules and inciting violence is absolutely a bannable offense.

If anything some anger should b directed towards Twitter bcause they should've suspended his shitty account way earlier to prevent this.

After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.https://t.co/CBpE1I6j8Y

— Twitter Safety (@TwitterSafety) January 8, 2021

Trump or Trumpism! Which one should be tackled now!

Trump is a despicable person; but he isn’t the cause, he is the result. He stirred and manipulated some longstanding malice the USA have. Even if you swiftly and successfully remove him those malice will remain and someone will use them again.

Besides, USA isn’t DPRK or China or Saudi Arabia or Turkey. You just can’t throw someone in jail overnight. The trial will be long and tedious and will potentially make a martyr out of Trump. He has played The Victim card successfully before.

iftikhar wrote: The trial will be long and tedious and will potentially make a martyr out of Trump. He has played The Victim card successfully before.

Doesn't matter, a criminal has to be charged with their crimes. Public opinion should be irrelevant to the judicary prosecution in a demotratic state and the US are still one.

I think the best course of action is to keep pressure on for Trump to resign, pointing out the continual efforts for more insurrection aka his tried Twitter posts last night and do by all means get the impeachment through the house. But once the senate puts it off to after Jan 20th, hand it off to Justice and FBI. There is more than enough criminal evidence to proceed with criminal charges once he is the ex president.