Re: Donald Trump Sack Watch

by elitedam Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:15 pm

Warren at treasury would be amazing.

by Blue Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:11 pm

Never the politician fault always the people.

by Blue Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:15 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Hillary lost not because the left didn't vote but because (due to a mixture of sexism, xenophobia, racism and globalization angst) she lost a significant part of the blue collar white males. The bernie bros that didn't vote for her are a vocal part of Twitter but insignificant statistically.

Unless we are talking about the green party voters, who Hillary made little overreach to and probably were never going to vote for a major party anyways. It's a protest vote.

If it wasn’t for Gary Johnson Trump would have won the popular vote, same logic.

Yeah I don’t think people realize that Consistent Libertarian and Green Party voters are not going to vote for GOP and Dems, there is a significant divide between them than overlap.

Hilary Clinton was a terrible candidate and very unliked. Career politician, arrogant, and made a campaign all about her #ImWithHer#

by Young Kaz Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:34 pm

Blue wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Hillary lost not because the left didn't vote but because (due to a mixture of sexism, xenophobia, racism and globalization angst) she lost a significant part of the blue collar white males. The bernie bros that didn't vote for her are a vocal part of Twitter but insignificant statistically.

Unless we are talking about the green party voters, who Hillary made little overreach to and probably were never going to vote for a major party anyways. It's a protest vote.

If it wasn’t for Gary Johnson Trump would have won the popular vote, same logic.

Yeah I don’t think people realize that Consistent Libertarian and Green Party voters are not going to vote for GOP and Dems, there is a significant divide between them than overlap.

Hilary Clinton was a terrible candidate and very unliked. Career politician, arrogant, and made a campaign all about her #ImWithHer#

None of those would have made a male candidate bad....

Hell, how many major president candidates the last 50 years werent arrogant? Walter Mondale? John Kerry? They both got stomped. Everybody who has ever won has been arrogant. It only became an issue when it was a woman...

by VivaStPauli Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:14 pm

Young Kaz wrote:None of those would have made a male candidate bad....

Hell, how many major president candidates the last 50 years werent arrogant? Walter Mondale? John Kerry? They both got stomped. Everybody who has ever won has been arrogant. It only became an issue when it was a woman...

I can't agree with you hard enough right now.

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:40 pm

These statements are not mutually exclusive:

"Female candidates being inordinately punished for ambition shows the population's sexist tendencies."

And

"Even accounting for sexism, Hillary Clinton was an unusually unlikable candidate, which turned off many voters from her."

by CBarca Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:09 pm

Both statements are true.

The blame is on both parties. Hillary was and has always been a pretty disliked political figure. There is a significant amount of sexism there. However, for anyone who has followed American politics and Hillary, you might acknowledge that she is by no means a candidate that is charismatic or really very likeable at all.

At the same time, there should be significant regret felt by those who didn't hold their nose and vote for Hillary (I did vote for her). The consequences seemed high at the time, and they turned out to be as bad as we thought as far as the Judicial branch and the strength of the republic.

We can blame Hillary and the Democratic party for not doing enough while reserving disdain for the progressives and Jill Stein voters.

Although neither of those are really...helpful or constructive feelings to have anyway. Most of the anger should be pointed at the Republican party and Trump.

by Blue Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:16 pm

Young Kaz wrote:
Blue wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Hillary lost not because the left didn't vote but because (due to a mixture of sexism, xenophobia, racism and globalization angst) she lost a significant part of the blue collar white males. The bernie bros that didn't vote for her are a vocal part of Twitter but insignificant statistically.

Unless we are talking about the green party voters, who Hillary made little overreach to and probably were never going to vote for a major party anyways. It's a protest vote.

If it wasn’t for Gary Johnson Trump would have won the popular vote, same logic.

Yeah I don’t think people realize that Consistent Libertarian and Green Party voters are not going to vote for GOP and Dems, there is a significant divide between them than overlap.

Hilary Clinton was a terrible candidate and very unliked. Career politician, arrogant, and made a campaign all about her #ImWithHer#

None of those would have made a male candidate bad....

Hell, how many major president candidates the last 50 years werent arrogant? Walter Mondale? John Kerry? They both got stomped. Everybody who has ever won has been arrogant. It only became an issue when it was a woman...

I don’t think I have to explain to you that there are people who arrogant but liked and they are arrogant people that are disliked, nothing to do with sexism, racism, etc. I assume you have come across these people.

Hilary Clinton was arrogant in the way that she felt entitled to be president, and thought it was a disgrace that she even had a challenger for the democratic nomination. She didn’t campaign hard enough, especially in swing states. Made the campaign about herself, “vote for me be part of my moment.” In contrast Obama and Trump made it about a movement. Obama full of shit, but Smart enough to make it about “change” “hope”. Trump incredibly dumb, arrogant and narcissistic made it about “Make America Great Again.”

by McLewis Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:20 am

For me, Hillary just didn't put in enough of the work that Biden is doing right now. She didn't campaign as much as she needed to in the upper midwest like Michigan and Wisconsin. She assumed these states were safe for her and took them for granted, alienating blue collar Democrats who had voted for Obama and then voted Trump, particularly in the more rural counties around Detroit and Milwaukee. Same in Pennsylvania in counties surrounding Philly and Pittsburgh.

Biden has won those voters back and with relative ease.

by Arquitecto Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:40 am

Clinton's campaign failed because it was just terribly marketed. Biden is banking mostly off all against Trump whereas Clinton had a very aimless system to market her campaign.

Shit like this is what I am talking about and summed up her campaign.

by McLewis Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:24 pm

Came across this in R/Conservative:

Imagine being picked-on by a group of private school kids your whole life. They called you stupid. They said your church teaches bigotry and your family teaches racism. They took 20% of every dollar you earned, then they shipped your brother off to die in Afghanistan.

Then some guy from Queens moves in next door. He laughs at those private school kids. He pushes them around until they give back some of your money. They call him a bigot too, but he doesn’t seem to care. He promises you another of your siblings will never come home in a box.

It might bother you when he uses vulgarity and invectives, but that’s easy to overlook because for the first time, someone is standing-up to those private school kids, calling-out their foolishness and self-righteousness. He might be a bully, but he’s on your team. That doesn’t mean you approve of bully tactics to get your way, or want to be a bully yourself, but it does mean you accept that nobody should think it’s okay to bully an entire worldview and way of life out of existence unless they’re prepared for the possibility to face a bully themselves one day. In other words, “if you don’t want none, don’t start none.”

The thing is, despite whatever those private school kids and their teachers say about you, and whatever they write about you in the school paper, you are more than happy to tolerate and respect their values, so long as they extend you the same courtesy. You don’t want to legislate their jobs out of existence, tax them until they’re as poor as you are, fill their schools with your teachers, or make them pay for a new roof for your church.

You believe diversity means more than skin tone, gender, and sexual identity. You believe a diverse society is one where different ideas are allowed and even encouraged to co-exist. They might squabble once and a while, and that’s okay, because that’s how consensus is reached between parties with different goals.

But these private school kids, they don’t like that idea. They won’t leave you alone until you embrace their ideas, adopt their lifestyle, and share their vision for the future—a future that has no room for the person you are or the community to which you belong.

So yeah, you’re glad this guy from Queens showed up. He’s not perfect—far from it—but he’s willing to take the punches and it’s really hard to knock him down.

You might say, “but this Queens guy...he’s also a private school kid!” That’s true, but they never accepted him either, repulsed by his love of Big Macs and resentful that he only got accepted because his dad had cash. But that’s precisely why he gets your situation. He might have money, but he knows what it’s like to be sneered and heckled by the Lacrosse Team.

The metaphor is riddled with holes, but that's how voting for Trump is often rationalized. I see this a ton on various platforms.

by McLewis Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:25 pm

There's also this one:

My vote was about 70% anti-Biden and 30% pro-Trump. I swear if he'd act his age and stay the hell off Twitter, he'd have won this election in a landslide but he keeps getting in his own way.

I'm very much against the socialist tendencies of the current D party. Yes, the college system needs an overhaul. No, "free" college isn't the answer. Same for the healthcare system. Yes, there are racist people in this county. No, they are not all conservatives. Yes there are bad cops. No, they aren't anywhere close to the majority.

I think your question illustrates a fundamental difference and/or misunderstanding between right/left mindsets. You ask "why do you believe in him?" I don't believe in him. I employ him. I don't have to like him personally. Just like I don't have to like my coworkers personally. We are all doing a job. I pay him to do his job. It's not personal; it's business.

Most of us would not like to spend time with Trump as a person but the media & the democratic party propped up an borderline senile lifetime politician who has been in politics for 48 years and says "now we have a chance to accomplish things!" and to a factory worker "no I don't work for you!". They also propped up Kamala who was wildly unsuccessful in the primaries. She's a huge flip-flopper and hypocrite. She was picked because of her gender and skin color. As a woman, that is incredibly insulting. We don't need extra help!

Interesting considering how much of the white women vote Trump is poised to win yet again.

by CBarca Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:03 pm

Conservatives honestly make a goddamn living on identity politics, for how much they bash it.

I see where they come from, but at the end of the day, it's really difficult to have sympathy with the way conservatives seem to just wish away racism, sexism, ableism etc.

Not to mention the complete lack of ability to get coronavirus under control so that we save lives, get the economy back on track, go back to work and school and live a semi-normal life again. Republicans and Trump haven't managed to get any coronavirus stimulus out there (Dems take some responsibility too, but they're at least fighting for MORE for the people of America). And this is who you want? People in your community are starving and struggling. Go fuck yourself.

by sportsczy Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:32 pm

There's about 25% of people out there that are Trump fanatics. They basically parrot whatever he says and he can do no wrong... but that's not why he became president.

There's a segment of conservative America that will vote for anyone who is anti-establishment and against the cancel culture. They got him elected in 2016. If Trump wasn't such a shit stain of a human being and a bigot, I would have been with these people. But you can't ignore the person because of an agenda... at the end of the day, you're voting for a human being.

Anyhow, ss Biden expressed so well this afternoon (first speech of his that I really loved)... once the election is over, we're all just Americans. The President doesn't represent only the people who voted for him; he's responsible for everyone. So my hope is that Biden listens. 50% of the American people basically voted against him. I'm not saying he needs to listen to what all those people are aggrieved about... but there's a good 10-15% that have reasonable issues that a president should address.

I hope Biden takes us away from the ultra partisan politics and becomes a moderating voice. We need that badly. We need a unifying figure.

by Warrior Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:16 pm

It's not like Trump has been a shield against political correctness, cancel culture and other annoyances of this sort. If anything it flourished during his reign 2017-2020. All he really did is dividing people on every possible subject and acting rude. Certainly what would solve some social problems is common sense and empathy, 2 qualities he doesn't seem to have, instead of lying, insulting and bullying others all the time.

How he managed covid and protests this year is clear indicator this guy is a total incompetent lol

What's unacceptable is the way republican party has allowed Trump to be their candidate in the first place. USA should reconsider their electoral system.

Also what about gun control, can something be done about it now ? I suppose not

by FennecFox7 Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:46 pm

I’m not even a socialist Mclewis, far from it, but that lady is what’s wrong with trump voters. “It’s just business”. No. The guy is a piece of trash. Enough of that.

Calling Biden a socialist shows how out of touch these people are. Biden is a neo liberal. They generally vote on policies that are in the middle, not left or right. Too much Fox News propaganda

by McLewis Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:40 am

FennecFox7 wrote:I’m not even a socialist Mclewis, far from it, but that lady is what’s wrong with trump voters. “It’s just business”. No. The guy is a piece of trash. Enough of that.

Calling Biden a socialist shows how out of touch these people are. Biden is a neo liberal. They generally vote on policies that are in the middle, not left or right. Too much Fox News propaganda

I mean I understand her line of reasoning here. When we elect candidates, we're hiring them to do a job. But it's not as transactional as she's making it out to be. There's a lot more feeling, a lot more emotion to voting for so many people. We vote for people we have good feelings about. We vote for people we like. Likability is a real measurement these days. The GOP like to pretend it isn't to justify voting for Trump, but it always has been. She may be able to treat it like doing business, but millions of people don't. I don't. So I get her viewpoint, but I disagree with it vehemently.

To look at voting purely in terms of a transaction is a privilege many of us don't have.

by Myesyats Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:54 am

"Most of us would NOT like to spend time with Trump as a person" but I want him in my life on twitter, in the media every single fucking day.

They are bending so much to justify that shit they're gonna break. The only thing elections like this prove is that most people are really stupid and also vote party over person. Republicans could bring Adolf H from the dead on a Republican campaign and make him spew even more hateful rhetoric which republicans would love "because he means business even though he's really, really unlikeable" and the usual non-voters would follow out of fear.

Fear is a hell of a motivator. Trump has successfully turned a lot of groups against one another.

by McLewis Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:18 pm

With Dems failing to flip the Senate and the GOP making gains in the House, my fear at this point is that though Trump himself may be defeated, Trumpism itself will live on in the GOP and continue to dominate the conservative ideology. We'll even see at least 2 QANON adherents take seats in the House. One of them ran unopposed. That is scary shit.

The only way to eradicate Trumpism was a landslide Democratic victory, especially winning a traditional red stronghold like Texas. That was always a tall order, but failing there and should Trump win Georgia, we're going to see this version of conservatism stick around far longer than any of us would like. It's expected that his kids may run in 2024 and now they'll have a blueprint and a base that will be looking to flip the House in the 2022 midterms to build for a retaking of the White House in 2024.

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:21 pm

The way things are lining up, it's entirely possible Trump/Ivanka will run again in 2024. After 4 years of Biden accomplishing nothing he will be able to tell voters "remember how good the economy was in 2019?"

by Pedram Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:59 pm

STOP THE COUNT!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 5, 2020

Does he even realizes how stupid he sounds when he tweets stuff like this?

by Myesyats Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:11 pm

Everyone knows candidates decide who wins and not voters. Duh!

Libs are so stupid they're counting every vote, using arabic numerals no less! That's witchcraft, they dare use ARABIC numerals on American soil !!!

by sportsczy Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:21 pm

Pedram wrote:
STOP THE COUNT!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 5, 2020

Does he even realizes how stupid he sounds when he tweets stuff like this?

Especially considering that Arizona and Nevada would end up for Biden if we did and Biden would be president...

On top of everything else, we now know that Trump can't do arithmetic either Laughing

by Art Morte Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:55 pm

Pedram wrote:
STOP THE COUNT!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 5, 2020

Does he even realizes how stupid he sounds when he tweets stuff like this?

He's been tweeting nonsense for years and 70 million people just voted for him, let's not act mock-surprised.

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:19 pm

Didn't he call the 2016 election rigged hours before he won it? Laughing

by sportsczy Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:28 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Didn't he call the 2016 election rigged hours before he won it?

Yeah he did.

70 million people voted for this guy. Let that sink in. Laughing

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