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Post by futbol_bill Sat 9 Jan 2021 - 20:21

I think the best course of action is to keep pressure on for Trump to resign, pointing out the continual efforts for more insurrection aka his tried Twitter posts last night and do by all means get the impeachment through the house. But once the senate puts it off to after Jan 20th, hand it off to Justice and FBI. There is more than enough criminal evidence to proceed with criminal charges once he is the ex president.

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Post by El Gunner Sat 9 Jan 2021 - 21:18

Babun wrote:
iftikhar wrote: The trial will be long and tedious and will potentially make a martyr out of Trump. He has played The Victim card successfully before.

Doesn't matter, a criminal has to be charged with their crimes. Public opinion should be irrelevant to the judicary prosecution in a demotratic state and the US are still one.


what do you call that again... oxymoron... paradox
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sat 9 Jan 2021 - 22:10

Look at these guys and tell me they don't look a lot like The Father's fanatics in Far Cry 5  rofl
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun 10 Jan 2021 - 9:52

Anyone here got enough knowledge of various lawyerings, laws and possible lawyer-stuff to answer me a question?


Since 5 people now died in the process of committing a crime (storming the capitol), can't prosecuters just charge everyone with those 5 deaths?
Or do they only do that with black people?

Seriously wanna know despite my tone.
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Post by Art Morte Sun 10 Jan 2021 - 10:52

Three people died because they couldn't handle the excitement and got heart attacks lol x) Nothing to prosecute there.

I doubt the officer who shot the woman dead is going to face charges.

But if they catch the person who struck the dead police officer in the head and other people involved in that particular scuffle, they will obviously be charged.
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Post by Babun Sun 10 Jan 2021 - 12:31

El Gunner wrote:
Babun wrote:
iftikhar wrote: The trial will be long and tedious and will potentially make a martyr out of Trump. He has played The Victim card successfully before.

Doesn't matter, a criminal has to be charged with their crimes. Public opinion should be irrelevant to the judicary prosecution in a demotratic state and the US are still one.


what do you call that again... oxymoron... paradox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
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Post by futbol_bill Sun 10 Jan 2021 - 15:28

Heard Trump is planning to go to Mar a Largo or Scotland on Jan 20th to avoid inauguration. Problem is residents in Mar a Largo have a movement to reject the Trumps due to property violations and the Scottish PM has said the country is in lockdown due to covid and a trip to play golf is not an essential service!

Hope this is a sign of things to come. Only place he will be wanted is a prison cell!
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun 10 Jan 2021 - 20:35

Art Morte wrote:Three people died because they couldn't handle the excitement and got heart attacks lol x) Nothing to prosecute there.

I doubt the officer who shot the woman dead is going to face charges.

But if they catch the person who struck the dead police officer in the head and other people involved in that particular scuffle, they will obviously be charged.


No what I mean, and I am serious: if in America, someone is harmed during the committing of a crime, everyone involved in committing the crime can be charged for it, and a policeman did die. I don't know enough about US law to actually know if that applies here, but I'd love it if somebody knew and explained it to me when it does apply, and why it doesn't here.
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Post by Myesyats Sun 10 Jan 2021 - 21:48

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Fascism 101: Lie all the time and also accuse the press and opposition of lying as well.

Donald has basically lied 73% of time time during his presidency Laughing, compared to Obama's 22%.
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Post by McLewis Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 3:42

VivaStPauli wrote:Anyone here got enough knowledge of various lawyerings, laws and possible lawyer-stuff to answer me a question?


Since 5 people now died in the process of committing a crime (storming the capitol), can't prosecuters just charge everyone with those 5 deaths?
Or do they only do that with black people?

Seriously wanna know despite my tone.


If you're referring to the leaders of the mob, they'll get charged for the crimes they personally committed. As for the people who incited them (Trump, Cruz, Hawley, etc) the challenge is finding a tangible link from them to the organizers of the riot, something real that has them coordinating the whole thing. I seriously doubt they'll find such a smoking gun. The people around these politicians will see to that. They may be demagogues, but they aren't stupid enough to incriminate themselves this way. And the speeches at the rallies are not enough. Far too circumstantial.

Unfortunately for the leaders of the mob, the ones yanking their chains are going to get away with this.
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Post by VivaStPauli Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 15:46

Nah what I mean:
you rob a bank, you escape, and in your escape car, accidentally run over a pedestrian, who dies.
You can now be charged with murder in the US.

If you storm the capitol (also a crime), and a policeman dies (also kind of an accident), can you also be charged? If not, why not?
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Post by rincon Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 16:09

@Viva I know what you mean. It happens often in trespassing situations.

Like say 3 people trespass, try to break into a house to steal something. Something happens and it ends up with a person being dead. They can all be charged with murder regardless of the particular circumstances regarding the death since their crime created that situation.

Happened to a relative on someone I went to college with.
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Post by VivaStPauli Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 18:03

Exactly, Rincon.

So why are the hundreds of rioters not just all charged with like 5 deaths?
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Post by Babun Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 18:11

VivaStPauli wrote:Exactly, Rincon.

So why are the hundreds of rioters not just all charged with like 5 deaths?

First things the democrats need to do is to prevent a civil war. I know the possiblity seems remote but the rightwings needs some cooling down and weakening before they could be properly prosecuted.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 20:49

Babun wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Exactly, Rincon.

So why are the hundreds of rioters not just all charged with like 5 deaths?

First things the democrats need to do is to prevent a civil war. I know the possiblity seems remote but the rightwings needs some cooling down and weakening before they could be properly prosecuted.
The best thing to do to prevent civil war is to act harshly on the fascists so that there are no doubts that a 2nd attempt will have real consequences. If you act softly they will only be emboldened.
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Post by Pedram Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 21:27

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Babun wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Exactly, Rincon.

So why are the hundreds of rioters not just all charged with like 5 deaths?

First things the democrats need to do is to prevent a civil war. I know the possiblity seems remote but the rightwings needs some cooling down and weakening before they could be properly prosecuted.
The best thing to do to prevent civil war is to act harshly on the fascists so that there are no doubts that a 2nd attempt will have real consequences. If you act softly they will only be emboldened.


They're already doing that. Amazon, Apple and Google deplatformed their largest hate forum, as usual they are screeching about muh freeze peach.

I suppose they can cry all they want as long as they don't turn violent over not being able to spew hatred openly.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 21:58

Meh, the government needs to be seen to act, the actions of a few tech companies is not going to stop anyone.
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Post by CBarca Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 22:23

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Meh, the government needs to be seen to act, the actions of a few tech companies is not going to stop anyone.


Arguably the tech companies just embolden them further.

Not that it was OK to allow fascists to coordinate and fan the flames of fascism using Twitter and Facebook, of course.
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Post by Myesyats Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 23:17

@Viva

https://wtop.com/dc/2021/01/prosecutors-weigh-heavy-hammer-felony-murder-for-rioters-in-capitol-officers-death/

While most murder investigations focus on the person or persons who caused the fatal injury, former federal prosecutor Tim Heaphy said prosecutors could charge many rioters with felony murder, even if they were nowhere near Sicknick.


Sounds like its a possibility.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon 11 Jan 2021 - 23:45

CBarca wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Meh, the government needs to be seen to act, the actions of a few tech companies is not going to stop anyone.


Arguably the tech companies just embolden them further.

Not that it was OK to allow fascists to coordinate and fan the flames of fascism using Twitter and Facebook, of course.
there's a strong argument to be made that Twitter and Facebook are national security threats and should be banned entirely, imo
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Post by VivaStPauli Tue 12 Jan 2021 - 0:27

Myesyats wrote:@Viva

https://wtop.com/dc/2021/01/prosecutors-weigh-heavy-hammer-felony-murder-for-rioters-in-capitol-officers-death/

While most murder investigations focus on the person or persons who caused the fatal injury, former federal prosecutor Tim Heaphy said prosecutors could charge many rioters with felony murder, even if they were nowhere near Sicknick.


Sounds like its a possibility.


TY! This is what I wanted to know, and was wondering why it hadn't come up on like CNN or whatever.
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Post by Freeza Tue 12 Jan 2021 - 9:37

Makes sense since you get charged with murder too if someone dies while you're robbing something.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue 12 Jan 2021 - 10:44

These Nazi insurrectionists are not going to get charged with murder.
They'll be charged with disorderly conduct and violent entry, and be fined 500 Dollar or something.

Meanwhile, some poor random Pakistani barber who just happens to share a middle name with some Taxi driver who once drove weapons for a militia is sitting in a Guantanamo camp cell since a decade and a half going what the hell
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Post by VivaStPauli Tue 12 Jan 2021 - 11:01

Hapless_Hans wrote:These Nazi insurrectionists are not going to get charged with murder.
They'll be charged with disorderly conduct and violent entry, and be fined 500 Dollar or something.

Meanwhile, some poor random Pakistani barber who just happens to share a middle name with some Taxi driver who once drove weapons for a militia is sitting in a Guantanamo camp cell since a decade and a half going what the hell


Hence my questions...
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue 12 Jan 2021 - 11:36

Let me correct myself

He's not sitting in that cell, but squatting, since he has no chair

and he also not there because he shares a name with a taxi driver who drove weapons, but because he shares a name with a taxi driver who shares a taxi with a guy who drove weapons
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Post by iftikhar Tue 12 Jan 2021 - 11:59

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Babun wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Exactly, Rincon.

So why are the hundreds of rioters not just all charged with like 5 deaths?

First things the democrats need to do is to prevent a civil war. I know the possiblity seems remote but the rightwings needs some cooling down and weakening before they could be properly prosecuted.
The best thing to do to prevent civil war is to act harshly on the fascists so that there are no doubts that a 2nd attempt will have real consequences. If you act softly they will only be emboldened.
This.

Did Hitler cool down after Austria, Czechoslovakia were handed over to him?
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