Re: The Official WWE Thread - Part 34

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Probably a bit of both, there's been rumours of a contract dispute between him and WWE for a while.

[M99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDbWm4RPp10

[silver]

I don't think I've ever seen a more tragic Raw line up

[Onyx]

Larger than life entrance.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Which nobody will care about in a year when they inevitably fuck it up like with everything else.

[RealGunner]

He looks like Randy Orton and Stone cold put together lmao

[Onyx]

Can definitely get behind this Rollins. Much more interesting now that he has a character.

[RealGunner]

Fucking hell #DarkSideOfTheRing pic.twitter.com/m2pZmeMsRR

— Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) May 20, 2020

jesus

[Onyx]

Bah gawd.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Been watching 2001 RAW's recently and there's so much good stuff around these shows which have nothing to do with the talent.

It just depresses me how bad todays shows are made in comparison.

Even small things like the signs in the crowd, announcers actually telling a story, continuously telling the viewer what's to come and letting what's to come thread throughout the show.

Also the invasion angle is way more entertaining than people will have you believe.

[Casciavit]

Yeah WWE is shit. AEW is hit and miss. I haven't watched a full RAW or SD in ages tbh. I pretty much only watch the PPV's and catch any youtube highlights worth watching. WWE has suffered a lot from the lack of crowd, but so has AEW, but AEW puts on a better product so it doesn't hurt them as much.

I loved MJF's promo this week. It was awesome.

[silver]

I've been watching some old WCW clips on youtube from 1996 to 2001.

Even with the nonsensical booking from 1999 onward, I still find it more entertaining than today's WWE/AEW. Could be a mixture of nostalgia, big names, or its so bad its good.

Some memorable moments:

1998:
Sting gets relegated to bit part player in favour of Hogan vs Savage mega powers explosion #2.
Sting and Luger join nWo Wolfpac for no real reason. Sting goes from #1 babyface to relegated below Nash.
The Giant joins nWo Hollywood even though Hogan kicked him out a year ago, and then proceeds to do the same 6 months later.
Bret Hart may or may not have joined nWo Hollywood.
Scott Hall joins nWo Hollywood in a swerve that made no sense.
No one really gave much focus on the whole Wolfpac vs Hollywood feud because the main even was Goldberg, celebrities (Malone, Rodman, Jay Leno) and Ultimate Warrior's disastrous return.
Big Poppa Pump is born and becomes leader of nWo Hollywood while Hogan runs for president.

1999
Scott Hall comes out to a massive pop, rejoining Nash in the fingerpoke of doom match.
nWo elite is born which dies within 3 months. Buff Bagwell is in the Elite team while Curt Hennig is in the B-team.
Instead of feuding with Goldberg, Hogan drops the title to Flair (??)
DDP loses, then regains the WCW title on the same night.
Macho Man returns with his entourage of ladies and feuds with Kevin Nash, leading to some hilarious scenes of Savage slapping Torrie Wilson, Savage and Sid Vicious applying lipstick to Nash, Nash dumping sewage into the limo with Savage and team Madness inside, and the white hummer running into the limo with Nash inside.
Bret Hart wins the WCW title (finally), then turns heel so he can rehash nWo 2000 with Nash, Hall, Jarrett and Steiner. This then fizzes out within a month.
Goldberg breaks the limo window which wasn't gimmicked and legit hurts himself

2000
Millionare club vs New Blood angle. All titles are reset. Hogan wrestles in street clothes and feuds with Kidman.
Jeff Jarrett becomes WCW champion before Scott Steiner or Booker T.
David Arquette (nuff said)
Triple cage match - always liked this gimmick match
The Natural Born Thrillers debut (Shawn Stasiak, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindrak, Reno (who?)) who then loses to DDP/Nash and never recover.
Natural Born Thillers switch tag team partners for some reason (O'Haire/Jindrak and Palumbo/Stasiak to O'Haire/Palumbo and Stasiak/Jindrak) which I never understood.
Mike Awesome debuts which they completely waste by putting him in Team Canada and becoming that 70's guy. He also throws Kanyon off the Triple Cage. A spot that never gets talked about.
Ernest 'the Cat' Miller becomes WCW commissioner and gets into work/shoots with Russo with such lines as "you're the writer, I'm the commissioner therefore we have the same stroke"

2001
Big Poppa Pump finally becomes champion, retires Nash and beats DDP.
The Magnificent Seven faction is born.
Nash kidnaps David Flair and holds him hostage.

[Jay29]

Yeah WWE is shit. AEW is hit and miss. I haven't watched a full RAW or SD in ages tbh. I pretty much only watch the PPV's and catch any youtube highlights worth watching. WWE has suffered a lot from the lack of crowd, but so has AEW, but AEW puts on a better product so it doesn't hurt them as much.

I loved MJF's promo this week. It was awesome.

I only watch AEW now. Even then it's rare for me to sit down and watch a full show.

Jericho, MJF, Matt Hardy, and Orange Cassidy are worth watching imo. Entertaining characters who can put on good matches. Beyond them, I can watch Omega, Bucks, Hangman, etc. if I want serviceable characters who can put on great matches. I like the variety on the card and the booking has mostly made sense.

WWE has a lot of great workers who are just flat outside of the ring. Couldn't give a damn about any of them. Any decent characters they have are old and done or fucked by McMahon's weird-ass ideas. They're so bad at creating new stars they have to keep bringing old ones back every month.

[RealGunner]

WWE died with John Cena

No one even talks about the product anymore on twitter.

[RealGunner]

Don't know why WWE stopped doing segments like these man. Not a word from any of them but still great story telling all around.

[Casciavit]

So Paul Heyman manages Roman Reigns now.

5 years later

[Onyx]

Didn't realise Reigns turned heel.

[Casciavit]

How would you fantasy book him MT

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Smackdown had more storytelling in it than about the last year of shows combined lol.

Not just the Roman stuff but there was some good storytelling with AJ, Sami, Jeff Hardy, Sasha and Bayley (in fairness those two have had consistent storytelling behind them)

Hell the backstage stuff with Cesaro/Nakamura/Zayn was more than the norm.

If they did this consistently then the product might actually not be terrible, watch it go back to barely any build or storytelling next week.

[RealGunner]

Does Cena ever come anymore ffs?

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Nah, he's a movie star now lol.

I think he's in the new Suicide Squad

[S]

Roman in 3-4 years will take the same path.

He's destined to be a Hollywood star

[RealGunner]

Roman in 3-4 years will take the same path.

He's destined to be a Hollywood star

Rock will make sure of that lol.

[Onyx]

How would you fantasy book him MT

Khal Drogo esque larger than life evil heel with a stable. Probably far fetched with the current creative, so he'll most likely be plain old Roman Reigns with a few heel tendencies at best.

[RealGunner]

How would you fantasy book him MT

Khal Drogo esque larger than life evil heel with a stable. Probably far fetched with the current creative, so he'll most likely be plain old Roman Reigns with a few heel tendencies at best.

Wish you were the head of creative man.

[S]

He's more or less going to be a tweener bordering on anti-hero status. Paul will probably do the talking for him and you can expect him to feud with both faces and heels. This way Vince probably thinks everyone's gonna like him.

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