Re: Nationalism in Europe [Controversial]

by Freeza Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:26 pm

Unique wrote:
Freeza wrote:Seems like Denmark went really left wing this election it seems. Proud of my fellow cucks
its called stockholm syndrome

Stop reading your wife's psych evaluations. Those are private.

by Thimmy Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:41 pm

Freeza wrote:Seems like Denmark went really left wing this election it seems. Proud of my fellow cucks

I think that was quite inevitable. I'm under the impression that the average dane is roughly about as progressive as the average Swede and Norwegian, and yet I get the impression that you haven't quite followed our progressive example to quite the same extent.

From what I recall, Denmark was the only country in Scandinavia that banned begging or foreign beggars from begging in public areas. I wonder if that will change now. Feel free to correct me here, I don't remember the details, but I do remember Swedish and Norwegian politicians directing criticism towards Denmark for banning begging to some extent, and we've had a larger influx of beggars from Romania since then. I didn't mind the beggars here, initially, but they've become a substantially large problem in the city of Drammen, where I live. I never thought they were an issue worth being bothered about, but it's really quite extreme how much damage they've caused around here Laughing

Jul 27, 2009 - Rumenske statsborgere er den hurtigst voksende kriminelle ... Spesielt på større steder som Kongsberg og Drammen merker vi mange forsøk..

Jun 29, 2015 - Slum og forsøpling, kommenterer flere drammensere. Mange ønsker at Romleiren fjernes.

Feb 21, 2017 - To rumenske kvinner og en mann er pågrepet etter at flere eldre er blitt ... med den samme fremgangsmåten i Konnerud-senteret i Drammen, ..

Jan 22, 2018 - Politiet utvider igjen siktelsen for de to rumenerne som er pågrepet for innbruddsbølgen i høst. De er nå siktet for 50 innbrudd.

Mar 26, 2019 - 11 rumenere dømt for grove tyverier: «Planlagt kynisk, hensynsløs og manipulerende utnytting av eldre mennesker»

It's not a pleasant development. Perhaps most disturbingly, several public areas, skateparks and kids' playgrounds in my area have had to be temporarily shut down over the past couple of years, due to Romanian beggars leaving excrements and trash that were contaminated with Hepatitis. Back in 2009, local politicians said that banning begging wasn't the solution, but I'm inclined to believe that Denmark did the right thing... except it only moved the problem over here Razz

I don't think begging should be banned altogether, but if you want to talk about cucks, we've got plenty of them here. I just wish there had been more moderation in how politicians go about making their decisions. Nothing good ever comes out of politicians who lean too far towards either side.

by Unique Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:47 pm

Freeza wrote:
Unique wrote:
Freeza wrote:Seems like Denmark went really left wing this election it seems. Proud of my fellow cucks
its called stockholm syndrome

Stop reading your wife's psych evaluations. Those are private.

beware of the trojan horse my friend.

by Freeza Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:58 pm

Thimmy wrote:
Freeza wrote:Seems like Denmark went really left wing this election it seems. Proud of my fellow cucks

I think that was quite inevitable. I'm under the impression that the average dane is roughly about as progressive as the average Swede and Norwegian, and yet I get the impression that you haven't quite followed our progressive example to quite the same extent.

From what I recall, Denmark was the only country in Scandinavia that banned begging or foreign beggars from begging in public areas. I wonder if that will change now. Feel free to correct me here, I don't remember the details, but I do remember Swedish and Norwegian politicians directing criticism towards Denmark for banning begging to some extent, and we've had a larger influx of beggars from Romania since then. I didn't mind the beggars here, initially, but they've become a substantially large problem in the city of Drammen, where I live. I never thought they were an issue worth being bothered about, but it's really quite extreme how much damage they've caused around here

Jul 27, 2009 - Rumenske statsborgere er den hurtigst voksende kriminelle ... Spesielt på større steder som Kongsberg og Drammen merker vi mange forsøk..

Jun 29, 2015 - Slum og forsøpling, kommenterer flere drammensere. Mange ønsker at Romleiren fjernes.

Feb 21, 2017 - To rumenske kvinner og en mann er pågrepet etter at flere eldre er blitt ... med den samme fremgangsmåten i Konnerud-senteret i Drammen, ..

Jan 22, 2018 - Politiet utvider igjen siktelsen for de to rumenerne som er pågrepet for innbruddsbølgen i høst. De er nå siktet for 50 innbrudd.

Mar 26, 2019 - 11 rumenere dømt for grove tyverier: «Planlagt kynisk, hensynsløs og manipulerende utnytting av eldre mennesker»

It's not a pleasant development. Perhaps most disturbingly, several public areas, skateparks and kids' playgrounds in my area have had to be temporarily shut down over the past couple of years, due to Romanian beggars leaving excrements and trash that were contaminated with Hepatitis. Back in 2009, local politicians said that banning begging wasn't the solution, but I'm inclined to believe that Denmark did the right thing... except it only moved the problem over here I don't think begging should be banned altogether, but if you want to talk about cucks, we've got plenty of them here. I just wish there had been more moderation in how politicians go about making their decisions. Nothing good ever comes out of politicians who lean too far towards either side.

Oh, no matter what people here believe, I'm not for total immigration etc. in our countries.

My main gripe with a lot of folks on here has been the lack of morals regarding refugees when a lot of our countries have had a huge part in ruining the lives for the refugees looking for a new home.

At the same time I feel some of the right wing parties have been too lenient and that their politics aren't feasible in any way. It's just empty symbol politics trying to get voters. Mainly Enhedslisten. But every socialist party has moved further right.

Also immigration and refugee politics is not as important as a lot of other thingsfor me politically. I don't think it's a big problem for us at all. I think climate, jobs and houses are more important. We should also be very aggressive towards integrating the immigrants and refugees currently here. I think the both sides have failed them a lot. Just left them to themselves and hidden them away in ghettos outside the city where they don't interact with people, which in result means both extremes get alienated because they only interact with the other group through media and politics, which is never as good as personal experience.

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Speaking of beggars. I think it's a good initiative to ban it. It has no place in the streets here in Denmark. I do think Norway and Sweden are too lenient. Once I see scientific studies that the money beggars get actually help improve their lives I'll actually approve of it. But it's mainly alcoholics from Greenland and people who need medical help, which the government should help them get. Nothing begging will solve.

by Unique Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:49 pm

Freeza wrote:
Thimmy wrote:
Freeza wrote:Seems like Denmark went really left wing this election it seems. Proud of my fellow cucks

I think that was quite inevitable. I'm under the impression that the average dane is roughly about as progressive as the average Swede and Norwegian, and yet I get the impression that you haven't quite followed our progressive example to quite the same extent.

From what I recall, Denmark was the only country in Scandinavia that banned begging or foreign beggars from begging in public areas. I wonder if that will change now. Feel free to correct me here, I don't remember the details, but I do remember Swedish and Norwegian politicians directing criticism towards Denmark for banning begging to some extent, and we've had a larger influx of beggars from Romania since then. I didn't mind the beggars here, initially, but they've become a substantially large problem in the city of Drammen, where I live. I never thought they were an issue worth being bothered about, but it's really quite extreme how much damage they've caused around here

Jul 27, 2009 - Rumenske statsborgere er den hurtigst voksende kriminelle ... Spesielt på større steder som Kongsberg og Drammen merker vi mange forsøk..

Jun 29, 2015 - Slum og forsøpling, kommenterer flere drammensere. Mange ønsker at Romleiren fjernes.

Feb 21, 2017 - To rumenske kvinner og en mann er pågrepet etter at flere eldre er blitt ... med den samme fremgangsmåten i Konnerud-senteret i Drammen, ..

Jan 22, 2018 - Politiet utvider igjen siktelsen for de to rumenerne som er pågrepet for innbruddsbølgen i høst. De er nå siktet for 50 innbrudd.

Mar 26, 2019 - 11 rumenere dømt for grove tyverier: «Planlagt kynisk, hensynsløs og manipulerende utnytting av eldre mennesker»

It's not a pleasant development. Perhaps most disturbingly, several public areas, skateparks and kids' playgrounds in my area have had to be temporarily shut down over the past couple of years, due to Romanian beggars leaving excrements and trash that were contaminated with Hepatitis. Back in 2009, local politicians said that banning begging wasn't the solution, but I'm inclined to believe that Denmark did the right thing... except it only moved the problem over here I don't think begging should be banned altogether, but if you want to talk about cucks, we've got plenty of them here. I just wish there had been more moderation in how politicians go about making their decisions. Nothing good ever comes out of politicians who lean too far towards either side.

Oh, no matter what people here believe, I'm not for total immigration etc. in our countries.

My main gripe with a lot of folks on here has been the lack of morals regarding refugees when a lot of our countries have had a huge part in ruining the lives for the refugees looking for a new home.

At the same time I feel some of the right wing parties have been too lenient and that their politics aren't feasible in any way. It's just empty symbol politics trying to get voters. Mainly Enhedslisten. But every socialist party has moved further right.

Also immigration and refugee politics is not as important as a lot of other thingsfor me politically. I don't think it's a big problem for us at all. I think climate, jobs and houses are more important. We should also be very aggressive towards integrating the immigrants and refugees currently here. I think the both sides have failed them a lot. Just left them to themselves and hidden them away in ghettos outside the city where they don't interact with people, which in result means both extremes get alienated because they only interact with the other group through media and politics, which is never as good as personal experience.

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Speaking of beggars. I think it's a good initiative to ban it. It has no place in the streets here in Denmark. I do think Norway and Sweden are too lenient. Once I see scientific studies that the money beggars get actually help improve their lives I'll actually approve of it. But it's mainly alcoholics from Greenland and people who need medical help, which the government should help them get. Nothing begging will solve.

if you are worried about jobs and housing how can a open policy for so called refugees and immigration help with that problem. the left in this country care more about immegrants and so called refugees than they do about our own people. as i said before my son is on a waiting list for housing that is so long he might as well forget about it. yet the so called refugees we bring in are given housing. how the fuck does that work. my son who was born in this country and works and pays tax cant get housing but so called refugees can get housing after being here for less than 6 weeks. i just dont know how any sane person in our government cant see the problem with that.

by Thimmy Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:25 pm

Freeza wrote:

We should also be very aggressive towards integrating the immigrants and refugees currently here. I think the both sides have failed them a lot. Just left them to themselves and hidden them away in ghettos outside the city where they don't interact with people, which in result means both extremes get alienated because they only interact with the other group through media and politics, which is never as good as personal experience.

I can relate to this. It's the same, here in Drammen. We have quite a lot of immigrants here, and the Africans in particular, live in isolated, immigration populated areas of the city where a lot of the residents are really poorly integrated. Some have lived here for longer than 5 years and can not hold a basic conversation in Norwegian, which is likely one of the reasons why some of them seem to avoid interacting with people from outside their culture. I really wish integration politics had been held to a higher priority by our local, as well as our government politicians. Hopefully, Denmark looks towards Sweden and Norway and learn from what we have done wrong, as well as what we have done right in this regard. They can't do any worse.
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Speaking of beggars. I think it's a good initiative to ban it. It has no place in the streets here in Denmark. I do think Norway and Sweden are too lenient. Once I see scientific studies that the money beggars get actually help improve their lives I'll actually approve of it. But it's mainly alcoholics from Greenland and people who need medical help, which the government should help them get. Nothing begging will solve.

The main issue with the Romanian beggars here, is that hardly any of them are so poor that they need to beg. There's been a lot of controversy surrounding the local "rom-people" because they've been spotted changing from normal clothes to filthy rags, living in luxurious vans and even uploading images on social media where they're flaunting large amounts of Norwegian cash bills. And despite this, they still litter and poop in public spaces. Even worse, a LOT of them are part of some kind of criminal activity, and the beggars and prostitutes typically work for a mafia organization.

A recent documentary revealed that human trafficking is common in these groups, and the beggars actually have the right to welfare support in Romania. In conclusion, the amount of them who are tied to some type of organized crime, far outweigh the rare few who beg out of necessity. The local authorities are aware of all of this, and yet, not a single thing is being done about it. I also don't understand why our prostitution "ban" is still intact, when it's been well documented in other countries that legalizing and regulating it has absolutely no downsides, whereas criminalizing it increases risks for both the prostitutes and the customers, as well as increases the amount of shady/underground activity surrounding it. Then again, I suppose we don't mind turning a blind eye to the human trafficking occuring among the rom people either, so that's probably a topic we're not well equipped to handle

by Unique Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:13 am

Thimmy wrote:
Freeza wrote:

We should also be very aggressive towards integrating the immigrants and refugees currently here. I think the both sides have failed them a lot. Just left them to themselves and hidden them away in ghettos outside the city where they don't interact with people, which in result means both extremes get alienated because they only interact with the other group through media and politics, which is never as good as personal experience.

I can relate to this. It's the same, here in Drammen. We have quite a lot of immigrants here, and the Africans in particular, live in isolated, immigration populated areas of the city where a lot of the residents are really poorly integrated. Some have lived here for longer than 5 years and can not hold a basic conversation in Norwegian, which is likely one of the reasons why some of them seem to avoid interacting with people from outside their culture. I really wish integration politics had been held to a higher priority by our local, as well as our government politicians. Hopefully, Denmark looks towards Sweden and Norway and learn from what we have done wrong, as well as what we have done right in this regard. They can't do any worse.
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Speaking of beggars. I think it's a good initiative to ban it. It has no place in the streets here in Denmark. I do think Norway and Sweden are too lenient. Once I see scientific studies that the money beggars get actually help improve their lives I'll actually approve of it. But it's mainly alcoholics from Greenland and people who need medical help, which the government should help them get. Nothing begging will solve.

The main issue with the Romanian beggars here, is that hardly any of them are so poor that they need to beg. There's been a lot of controversy surrounding the local "rom-people" because they've been spotted changing from normal clothes to filthy rags, living in luxurious vans and even uploading images on social media where they're flaunting large amounts of Norwegian cash bills. And despite this, they still litter and poop in public spaces. Even worse, a LOT of them are part of some kind of criminal activity, and the beggars and prostitutes typically work for a mafia organization.

A recent documentary revealed that human trafficking is common in these groups, and the beggars actually have the right to welfare support in Romania. In conclusion, the amount of them who are tied to some type of organized crime, far outweigh the rare few who beg out of necessity. The local authorities are aware of all of this, and yet, not a single thing is being done about it. I also don't understand why our prostitution "ban" is still intact, when it's been well documented in other countries that legalizing and regulating it has absolutely no downsides, whereas criminalizing it increases risks for both the prostitutes and the customers, as well as increases the amount of shady/underground activity surrounding it. Then again, I suppose we don't mind turning a blind eye to the human trafficking occuring among the rom people either, so that's probably a topic we're not well equipped to handle

we also have problems with africans where i live. i live in what once was a lovely little cul-de-sac but they moved in and it started to go tits up. i mean no disrespect to any african posters we have on here but these people live like pigs. they have bed sheets over the windows and they think nothing of standing outside at all times of night shouting when they talk ( they tend to do that ) they will cough and spit phlegm on the ground where children play. they will just get there dick out and piss against any car they are standing next to at any time of day. and when 10-15 of there mates turn up they will park on our parking bays and refuse to move the car until they are ready to go. they are animals tbh. not to go into details but we had to take matters into our own hands to get rid of them. also my wifes parants have lived in a nice street for the best part of 40 years and the bungalow they live in is worth around £650k its a very nice place to live. well it was a very nice place to live. they had a chinese family living next door for 20 odd years and never had a single problem from them in all the years they lived there. they moved out and the people that brought it rented it out to a family from romania now we are talking about a £2000 per month rent for this place. they moved in and let the place go to shit. they trashed the house and let the gardens grow like a rubbish dump. they moved about 8 people into it and none of them work so benifits are paying the rent for them. they just dump rubbish in the street and get drunk and play loud music at 3am most nights. and the worst thing is they will walk out in the back garden and piss on the grass when ever they feel the need. my father in law has worked and paid taxes since he was 16yo and this is how he has to spend his retirement. i begged my in laws to let me get a few lads together and burn them out but they are not that kind of people. when i hate on people like this im called a racist bigot.

by Vibe Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:39 am

Didn't fact check this since I refuse to put dirt in my mind and read anything even remotely political and I get my news in memes, but I heard that Hungary has to pay 200 million because they refuse to take in migrants? And have to pay a million for every day until they let them in?

by El Gunner Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:43 am

pay to who?

by Vibe Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:43 am

The European Union

by Myesyats Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:16 pm

Vibe wrote:Didn't fact check this since I refuse to put dirt in my mind and read anything even remotely political and I get my news in memes, but I heard that Hungary has to pay 200 million because they refuse to take in migrants? And have to pay a million for every day until they let them in?

As I understand it, they are getting fined for not agreeing to the policy altogether.

If they agree, they can still refuse to take in migrants and pay 20k euros for each one they refuse. So still get fined, but not 1M per day but 20k euros per person. I guess it's designed in a way so that all EU members contribute to maintaining the influx of migrants

Wont solve anything because money is not the issue here, nor is the distribution of those migrants. You can imagine all the propaganda fuel that Orban gets with this.

by Myesyats Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:57 pm

These are the results, once peaceful streets.

Wyznawcy allaha już zaczynają biegać z nożami po ulicach...pic.twitter.com/TfgT8RPHvd
— Dr. Z (@stopnwo33) June 15, 2024

by Myesyats Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:26 pm

If Poland is forced to provide migrants with the same social benefits as in Germany, it will have to pay a minimum of 2455 PLN per person indefinitely (a Polish citizen would receive 1622 PLN but only for six months). Additionally, there would be a kindergeld equivalent of 1088 PLN (for Polish citizens, it’s 800+ PLN). There would also be social housing paid for at least a year from public funds, with a minimum area of 50 m² for the first person and an additional 10-15 m² for each additional person. Moreover, the costs of various courses would be covered, as well as additional activities for children and many other bonuses such as cinema tickets or free admission to swimming pools, etc.

The asylum directive enacted under the migration pact grants "refugees" (every illegal migrant under the migration pact is legalized as a potential refugee) the right to:
- free high-standard accommodation
- social benefits
- full and free access to medical care
- access to the labor market

A migrant, after entering the first EU country, is to receive all benefits and care at the expense of that member state, which they may lose if they move to another country without permission. This is how Germany makes other countries pay for its mistakes in migration policy.

Germany is a lot of things and cunning is definitely one of them. They will make everyone pay for their own mistakes. Migrants will have more rights than citizens, but some will still claim that Europeans look down on them!

by McLewis Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:11 pm

Replace "migrant" with "Jew" and it's the 1920s and 1930s all over again. History is well and truly forgotten, only to be repeated over and over again.

by El Gunner Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:59 am

time is a flat circle, there's nothing new under the sun

by Myesyats Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:43 am

McLewis wrote:Replace "migrant" with "Jew" and it's the 1920s and 1930s all over again. History is well and truly forgotten, only to be repeated over and over again.

The nationalism isnt rising because of the benefits and welfare though. People largely dont mind helping other people financially unless the only result is a rise in crime rates. Inability to walk the street safely after dark or otherwise is what bothers people and this is the most palpable threat for the average citizen

Besides, you have to realize that most of the migrant pressure today is artificially created by Russia and look like this...

Na wschodzie bez zmian… pic.twitter.com/Op9eO7Mkcs
— WarNewsPL (@WarNewsPL1) June 19, 2024

by sportsczy Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:34 am

Comparing migrants to Jews is inaccurate anyhow. The Jews went to Europe before the beginning of the Roman Empire. They're as European as anyone.

The migrant crisis is the result of gross mismanagement by the Western governments. It didn't have to be so random and intidy as to cause mayhem. Now both the citizens and migrants will suffer. Issue is that the governments are supposed to look out for the interests of its citizens... not migrants. Immigration should only be allowed where it can be sustained in a country, not at the detriment of the country.

But that's water under the bridge. The problem isn't going to resolve itself. Likely going to end badly because there aren't any good solutions. Left is going to go too far left... right is going to go too far right... and eventually there will be violence IMO unless the cycle of extremism is broken.

by El Gunner Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:28 am

jesus christ, so where do the Jews actually (want to) belong???

by sportsczy Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:49 pm

El Gunner wrote:jesus christ, so where do the Jews actually (want to) belong???

It's a religion... not a race. Frankly, I have no idea why they get persecuted. Just leave them be. Only reason that they were forced to create their own country is that they were being killed off otherwise.

Those who want to stay in Europe or anywhere else, should be able to stay where they are. If they want to move to Israel, they should be able to do that to. it's not that complicated.

Like all ethnic and religious groups... if they're not breaking the law and are good citizens, which they are mostly, leave them alone. Same with 99% of the Muslims... leave the law-abiding, decent citizens alone. Just go after the extremes. If Hamas wasn't the "government" in Gaza, I would sing a very very different tune just as a FYI.

by Thimmy Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:58 pm

Speaking of good muslims, I was recently made aware that a former colleague and friend of mine was arrested and deported from Egypt for terrorism Mad

It’s absurd to me. You’ll never find a nicer, more peace-loving guy.

He told me that he was going to egypt, but on one of those pilgrimages that muslims go on. I like to think that some kind of mistake was made, or at the very least that the severity of the offense was mild, but «terrorism» doesn’t tend to translate to something trivial :facepalm:

by El Gunner Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:43 pm

sportsczy wrote:
El Gunner wrote:jesus christ, so where do the Jews actually (want to) belong???

It's a religion... not a race. Frankly, I have no idea why they get persecuted. Just leave them be. Only reason that they were forced to create their own country is that they were being killed off otherwise.

Those who want to stay in Europe or anywhere else, should be able to stay where they are. If they want to move to Israel, they should be able to do that to. it's not that complicated.

Like all ethnic and religious groups... if they're not breaking the law and are good citizens, which they are mostly, leave them alone. Same with 99% of the Muslims... leave the law-abiding, decent citizens alone. Just go after the extremes. If Hamas wasn't the "government" in Gaza, I would sing a very very different tune just as a FYI.

but isn't there a specific geographical location where Judaism started? isn't that the whole contestation of Jerusalem?

like Christianity started in Europe... Islam started in the Middle East... Hinduism in India... Taoism in China...

by Myesyats Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:13 pm

Christianity started in Judea, not in Europe

by Pedram Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:36 pm

El Gunner wrote:
sportsczy wrote:
El Gunner wrote:jesus christ, so where do the Jews actually (want to) belong???

It's a religion... not a race. Frankly, I have no idea why they get persecuted. Just leave them be. Only reason that they were forced to create their own country is that they were being killed off otherwise.

Those who want to stay in Europe or anywhere else, should be able to stay where they are. If they want to move to Israel, they should be able to do that to. it's not that complicated.

Like all ethnic and religious groups... if they're not breaking the law and are good citizens, which they are mostly, leave them alone. Same with 99% of the Muslims... leave the law-abiding, decent citizens alone. Just go after the extremes. If Hamas wasn't the "government" in Gaza, I would sing a very very different tune just as a FYI.

but isn't there a specific geographical location where Judaism started? isn't that the whole contestation of Jerusalem?

like Christianity started in Europe... Islam started in the Middle East... Hinduism in India... Taoism in China...

Judaism originated in Canaan, it's the eldest of Abrahamic religions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites

by El Gunner Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:11 pm

so basically all 3 of the main Abrahamic religions started in the same geographical area, but they separated culturally and textually along the way most probably for various reasons of greed, power and "us vs them" mentality

stoopid humans being stoopid

by sportsczy Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:37 am

El Gunner wrote:
sportsczy wrote:
El Gunner wrote:jesus christ, so where do the Jews actually (want to) belong???

It's a religion... not a race. Frankly, I have no idea why they get persecuted. Just leave them be. Only reason that they were forced to create their own country is that they were being killed off otherwise.

Those who want to stay in Europe or anywhere else, should be able to stay where they are. If they want to move to Israel, they should be able to do that to. it's not that complicated.

Like all ethnic and religious groups... if they're not breaking the law and are good citizens, which they are mostly, leave them alone. Same with 99% of the Muslims... leave the law-abiding, decent citizens alone. Just go after the extremes. If Hamas wasn't the "government" in Gaza, I would sing a very very different tune just as a FYI.

but isn't there a specific geographical location where Judaism started? isn't that the whole contestation of Jerusalem?

like Christianity started in Europe... Islam started in the Middle East... Hinduism in India... Taoism in China...

Christianity started in Judea, which is called Isreal today. The Jewish religion started in ancient Canaan region of the Near East, which is called Isreal today. The Muslim religion started in Mecca but Jerusalem is considered extremely important (I'll let you look it up as there is too many points to write about it here).

Basically, Israel is a holy land to all these religions (and others).

by sportsczy Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:44 am

El Gunner wrote:so basically all 3 of the main Abrahamic religions started in the same geographical area, but they separated culturally and textually along the way most probably for various reasons of greed, power and "us vs them" mentality

stoopid humans being stoopid

Likely going to be heresy to most, but...

It never occurs to any of the followers that these are all revelations of the same god but through different prophets. It's just adapted based on the time/circumstances it's delivered and builds upon the previous revelations. That's my belief.

And btw, i have zero doubts that, unless the prophet wrote the words themselves, human interpretation made its way into the writings. So given this, I'm not entirely sure that we accurately know what these prophets actually said. Very likely that its all accurate... but is it 80% or 99% accurate?

So, how can you hate other people who believe in the same god but differently? Makes no sense. Jesus said the Moses was a prophet... so there should be no hate there. Muhammed said that both Jesus and Moses were prophets... so there should be not hate there either.

Also, read this and then understand how many of these mullahs have created definitions and actions that serve them as opposed to what the prophet actually said: https://www.alislam.org/articles/why-does-quran-say-that-infidels-should-be-killed/

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