Re: Who will be the Democrats' presidential candidate against Trump?

by Young Kaz Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:56 am

Myesyats wrote:Joe Rogan is an average white American male. He represents what white America is. I'm sorry, but thats true. Biden is no different just because he worked with Obama. Rogan works with plenty of black folks too at UFC offices and had numerous dark skinned guests on his podcast that he openly admires.

Hes a multimillionaire. Hes not the average anything. He represents white America about as well as you do sitting in a poor country like Poland. Lets be real here hes a privileged guy who lives a life the average white American would never ever ever get to see. You think hes sitting around waiting for a tax return like the average person here? Laughing

Biden is no different because he worked with Obama. Hes different because he, in 2020, isnt posting endorsements from guys who called theaters "the planet of the apes" just because some black people were there. The fact that the UFC employs blacks, or latinos, or whatever doesnt change this. Biden got his marching orders from a black man for years, and you still try to paint him as a bigot for writing the crime bill that Bernie voted for, and one that many other black people supported.

by Myesyats Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:08 am

He's average in terms of views and opinions as in most white men are like him, of course not in terms of income. lol

I thought that was obvious. But whatever. Pointless back and forth.

And I'm not trying to paint Biden as a bigot... That's what you're doing to Bernie lol. I'm just trying to balance things out. I don't think either Bidens comments nor Bernie embracing Rogans endorsement makes them bigots or unworthy of being president. What makes Biden unworthy is being a senile f-cking dumbell. And dont get me wrong, I dont think Bernie is great or anything, but he's the lesser evil

by Young Kaz Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:12 am

Myesyats wrote:He's average in terms of views and opinions as in most white men are like him, of course not in terms of income. lol

I thought that was obvious. But whatever. Pointless back and forth.

Its a pretty damning indictment of white America if what you say is true.

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:05 am

Myesyats wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Myesyats wrote:Trump didnt erase what Obama did but Sanders will? Really?

And Biden is the dream candidate for minorities?
tbf every minority sighs when sanders goes into his "it's not racial inequality that matters but economic inequality" talking point

AFAIK Biden has never said anything worth of note about racial inequality

This is Biden's response to a question about racial inequality???? just senseless gibberish

I mean..... this man is absolutely DECREPIT.

Voting for him is as bad as voting for Trump.

I mean, you have one guy that gives you the usual lip service, and another that tells you your skin color doesn't matter and that your life experiences are wrong...

by Freeza Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:19 am

Sanders isn’t totally wrong. Financial inequality is a huge part of it.

I just think it would be Suicide for him to admit that the inequality is a result of centuries of racism to create the inequality in the first place.

by Blue Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:29 am

Kaz keeps spamming this thread with twitter weirdos and bad faith arguments.

Can you imagine being this dumb and think the Bank and Auto bailout was a good thing? I guess nothing is wrong with taxpayers bailing out businesses due to reckless and fraudulent business practices. And on top of that the people in charge of it walked away with record bonuses and compensations.

by Adit Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:10 am

People living in Capitalist countries asking for more socialism.

People living in socialist countries asking for more capitalism.

Let's exchange the population and solve this issue once and for all.

by Unique Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:25 am

why dont you all just vote trump again. hes got people back to work made america great again plus he has done all the damage he was gonna do so it a win win cheers

by Young Kaz Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:34 am

Blue wrote:Kaz keeps spamming this thread with twitter weirdos and bad faith arguments.

Can you imagine being this dumb and think the Bank and Auto bailout was a good thing? I guess nothing is wrong with taxpayers bailing out businesses due to reckless and fraudulent business practices. And on top of that the people in charge of it walked away with record bonuses and compensations.

So did your age group... lets not act like those bailouts didnt work their way down to us 30 year olds who graduated college in 2011 and 12 instead of people who graduated in 08 and 09 who were screwed by the recession.

Bernie is selling you a false bill of goods here.

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:10 pm

Blue wrote:Kaz keeps spamming this thread with twitter weirdos and bad faith arguments.

Can you imagine being this dumb and think the Bank and Auto bailout was a good thing? I guess nothing is wrong with taxpayers bailing out businesses due to reckless and fraudulent business practices. And on top of that the people in charge of it walked away with record bonuses and compensations.

banks I kinda get, but what makes you think the auto bailout was bad? it saved thousands of jobs and the money was paid back relatively quickly

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:18 pm

Freeza wrote:Sanders isn’t totally wrong. Financial inequality is a huge part of it.

I just think it would be Suicide for him to admit that the inequality is a result of centuries of racism to create the inequality in the first place.

sure, he's not totally wrong, but when sanders is asked "what are you going to do to address racial inequality?" and he responds with the economic inequality message, I can't help but feel that if I were someone that lived with racial inequality every day, that would be a very subpar answer and I would look towards other candidates.

by Freeza Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:52 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Freeza wrote:Sanders isn’t totally wrong. Financial inequality is a huge part of it.

I just think it would be Suicide for him to admit that the inequality is a result of centuries of racism to create the inequality in the first place.
sure, he's not totally wrong, but when sanders is asked "what are you going to do to address racial inequality?" and he responds with the economic inequality message, I can't help but feel that if I were someone that lived with racial inequality every day, that would be a very subpar answer and I would look towards other candidates.

Yeah I don’t disagree with it either. But I don’t think he’s got much to gain by expanding on it either way.

And it’s not other candidates have given better answers. I often feel like there’s a double standard when it comes to this topic. Are the others even asked about specific plans regarding this?

by McLewis Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:20 am

Hapless_Hans wrote:
McLewis wrote:See, I don't think Sanders is 100% wrong about that. He's 50% wrong.

For a person of color in this country, racial and economic equality are 2 sides of the same coin. One begets the other and both are incredibly hard to escape, no matter where you live.

I think where Bernie and voters of color diverge is that he believes solving economic inequality will inherently solve racial inequality. In theory, that's sound logic. In practice? It would not surprise me if it's a lot more messy and complex.

Good post, and I think the tricky thing is that racism basically was invented to both naturalize and outsource the social inequality, or let's call it economic exploitation because that's what it is, that is inherent to capitalism.
Slavery is the epitome of that. Workers that work for free, and that can't demand higher wages, or unionize, or sue, as they're not considered to have rights as a species.

And going on from that, racial inequality has been doubly folded into the fabric of social inequality.
For every poor person, a black person is still poorer, be it in terms of housing value, education, wages, family structures, treatment by the justice system, etc.

That's why African-American theorists, like Ta-Nehisi Coates whom I admire very much, rightfully tend to get a bit annoyed when racism is seen as a mere appendix to capitalist exploitation. They are woven into each other, and some kind of racism, or mechanism of dehumanization, is integral to the functioning of exploitation

Coates is fantastic. He's one of the biggest reasons for me even becoming politically aware and active.

Sanders and his supporters either wittingly or unwittingly assimilating racial inequality into the social inequality big tent is a big reason why I'm reluctant to support him. The gesture is so simple and should be easy for a man who marched with Dr. King yet it appears to be rather difficult. Puzzling.

by CBarca Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:01 am

This is baaaaddd

by Myesyats Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:59 am

CBarca wrote:This is baaaaddd

What's up?

Well, both Biden and Sanders are as white as baby powder so I don't think either has any idea how to resolve racial issues. Especially since they're not easy to solve.

by Pedram Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:21 am

lmao what a shitshow.

by McLewis Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:00 pm

So for those are super confused, a quick rundown on the madness surrounding the Iowa Caucus:

- Voter turnout was extremely high. Some precincts ran out of voter registration forms, which slows down the whole process.

- The Iowa Democratic Party rolled out a new app to help precinct captains tally votes and now the app isn't working. This has caused significant problems as precincts are reporting either inaccurate counts or not reporting in at all. The Iowa DNC are blaming the sides on the precincts. Real profile in leadership there.

- With only 2% of the vote counted, Pete Buttigieg's campaign drcided it was a good idea to have him declare victory. He's now being accused of cheating.

So yeah it will likely be several hours before we have an accurate verified count of who won Iowa. Not a great look on the Dems side. Trump, who is running unopposed, won the Republican Iowa caucus.

by Myesyats Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:50 pm

So whats that about, I'm reading Sanders did really, really well in the polls?

by Young Kaz Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:16 pm

The Democrat Caucus is an unmitigated disaster. Nothing works, just like they ran the Country. Remember the 5 Billion Dollar Obamacare Website, that should have cost 2% of that. The only person that can claim a very big victory in Iowa last night is “Trump”.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 4, 2020

Dudes clowning this morning.

We'll see whos clowning in November Twisted Evil

by McLewis Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:11 pm

Myesyats wrote:So whats that about, I'm reading Sanders did really, really well in the polls?

Yes, his campaign website reported strong early numbers. The Washington Examiner (which leans more right wing) picked that up and reported it.

Honestly, with so little of the precincts reporting, all of this has to be taken with copious grains of salt.

We're just not going to know much right now.

by Blue Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:27 pm

Only thing that looks certain is Joe Biden did poorly, report he was fourth behind Bernie, Elizabeth, and Pete. Not good look for the perceived leading candidate, and most electable.

Bernie win and Biden fourth would be the best for Sanders campaign. For many Biden supporters, their second choice is Bernie.

Pete has no appeal to non-white voters, i can't imagine him being a threat with such low support from Latino and Black voters.

Btw Pete has extensive ties to the company who made the app for the Iowa caucus, makes it easy to doubt the credibility of all of it.

by McLewis Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:42 pm

The CEO of the company behind that app was also closely linked with the Clinton campaign back in 2016 as well. All of this has riled up Bernie supporters, predictably.

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:19 pm

Nate Silver: "To be even more blunt: the Iowa Democratic Party’s colossal screw-up in reporting results will potentially have direct effects on the outcome of the nomination process. The failure to report results will almost certainly help Biden, assuming that indications that he performed poorly in Iowa are correct, as they won’t get nearly as much media coverage. And they’ll hurt whichever candidate wins the state — mostly likely Sanders or Buttigieg."
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/iowa-might-have-screwed-up-the-whole-nomination-process/

Honest mistake or not this will be seen as an anti Sanders move

by Hapless_Hans Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:52 pm

DNC at it again ffs :facepalm:

by rincon Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:22 pm

A good way to prevent these issues is to vote like a civilised country. Walk into a voting center, close yourself in a private booth, and make your vote. Simple, secret, effective. This whole thing with the caucuses and having to make public votes and argue with your neighbors is insane.

by CBarca Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 pm

rincon wrote:A good way to prevent these issues is to vote like a civilised country. Walk into a voting center, close yourself in a private booth, and make your vote. Simple, secret, effective. This whole thing with the caucuses and having to make public votes and argue with your neighbors is insane.

Yeah and it's like this for much of the country. The fact that it's a caucus style for Iowa, which is always first (which is also stupid), makes it doubly worse.

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