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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:51 pm

@rincon wrote:I wonder how many more millions of people have to suffer for marxism under the excuse that "it's never been tried".

It doesn't work, never has, never will.

Also, Sanders isn't a communist, socialist, or marxist, by the traditional definitions at least. His proposals are sensible within a capitalist system, in the same sense that the nordic countries aren't socialist but call their political brand "social democracy". You can have good market freedom and a competitive economy, and still have more easily accessible healthcare and public higher education.

This is one of my least important biggest pet peeves with Sanders. He is a social Democrat. Why does he insist on calling himself a socialist? To be edgy?because he doesn't understand the difference?

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Post by Freeza on Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:53 pm

Most likely to shield the criticism he’s eventually going to get called by his opposition.

Correcting them doesn’t help. But downplaying it sure is going to.

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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:25 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@rincon wrote:I wonder how many more millions of people have to suffer for marxism under the excuse that "it's never been tried".

It doesn't work, never has, never will.

Also, Sanders isn't a communist, socialist, or marxist, by the traditional definitions at least. His proposals are sensible within a capitalist system, in the same sense that the nordic countries aren't socialist but call their political brand "social democracy". You can have good market freedom and a competitive economy, and still have more easily accessible healthcare and public higher education.

This is one of my least important biggest pet peeves with Sanders. He is a social Democrat. Why does he insist on calling himself a socialist? To be edgy?because he doesn't understand the difference?


Because its his BRAND
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Post by Blue on Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:48 am

@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@rincon wrote:I wonder how many more millions of people have to suffer for marxism under the excuse that "it's never been tried".

It doesn't work, never has, never will.

Also, Sanders isn't a communist, socialist, or marxist, by the traditional definitions at least. His proposals are sensible within a capitalist system, in the same sense that the nordic countries aren't socialist but call their political brand "social democracy". You can have good market freedom and a competitive economy, and still have more easily accessible healthcare and public higher education.

This is one of my least important biggest pet peeves with Sanders. He is a social Democrat. Why does he insist on calling himself a socialist? To be edgy?because he doesn't understand the difference?


Because its his BRAND

It is a terrible brand though.

It is kinda interesting from our back and forth Kaz, i honestly think your best argument against Sanders is that he can't get his policies passed. There is no doubt you maybe ultimately right; say he gets it passed through the house, then he would have to get it past Senate. Say he gets a majority in the senate, then there is the issue of filibuster. So i very well know the difficulty in getting legislation passed.

As i reflect more i honestly think Sanders biggest accomplishment is won on his first day. His grandest accomplishment is that he has proven another way to campaign. One that has beaten the lobby and corporate money. He is showing you can win without selling out, and appeasing them. That is why Sanders is so dangerous and hated by them. It is the feeling of powerless they feel. Sanders can not be influenced because he will not take their money. That is much more dangerous than anything else he poses.

This is why i support Sanders, and no other politician come close in this election.

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Post by Young Kaz on Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:14 pm

@Blue wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:

This is one of my least important biggest pet peeves with Sanders. He is a social Democrat. Why does he insist on calling himself a socialist? To be edgy?because he doesn't understand the difference?


Because its his BRAND

It is a terrible brand though.

It is kinda interesting from our back and forth Kaz, i honestly think your best argument against Sanders is that he can't get his policies passed. There is no doubt you maybe ultimately right; say he gets it passed through the house, then he would have to get it past Senate. Say he gets a majority in the senate, then there is the issue of filibuster. So i very well know the difficulty in getting legislation passed.

As i reflect more i honestly think Sanders biggest accomplishment is won on his first day. His grandest accomplishment is that he has proven another way to campaign. One that has beaten the lobby and corporate money. He is showing you can win without selling out, and appeasing them. That is why Sanders is so dangerous and hated by them. It is the feeling of powerless they feel. Sanders can not be influenced because he will not take their money. That is much more dangerous than anything else he poses.

This is why i support Sanders, and no other politician come close in this election.


Cant be too bad if it has him in the lead now.

I think that pro of Sanders is only a pro if you think the corporate lobby is the worst thing on earth. Bloomberg wont be bought by them either, but I dont consider that alone a pro.

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Post by Blue on Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:46 pm


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Post by Young Kaz on Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:56 pm

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Post by Pedram on Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:30 pm



Gotta admit MSNBC was very entertaining last night. Laughing
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Post by Myesyats on Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:01 pm

You can lose plenty of brain cells watching American news during election time, its unbelievable Laughing

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Post by Blue on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:32 pm

This is dude is losing it.


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Post by McLewis on Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:23 pm

So this tweet from Friday has caused a lot of heat over the weekend:



This tweet is seen as extremely divisive by moderates and center-left Democrats, whom are considered collectively by Bernie supporters to be the "Establishment" who would prefer to see a coming together of moderates and progressives rather than the feeling of exclusion that is emanating from Sanders' supporters. The campaign itself has taken pains to indicate that they will welcome all rank-and-file Democrats, however the supporters themselves aren't as welcoming. It's a curious disconnect to me.
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Post by McLewis on Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:30 pm

Personally, I am supportive of many of Bernie's policies and would have no problem voting for him over Trump.

What I am not supportive of are these purity tests from his supporters that pop up all over Twitter, Reddit and other social media platforms. They are attacking people, with both civility and incivility, just for disagreeing with Bernie's policies. It's come to the point where if you don't support Bernie's entire platform, you're basically a status-quo establishment Democrat that toes the DNC-drawn party line. Dealing in absolutes like that is very dangerous. For me, it's borderline fanatical.

There has to be room under the Bernie tent for disagreement and true objectivity or else they are no better than Trump supporters in my eyes. No movement is perfect. They are all flawed in some way or another. Blindly refusing to admit these things is delusional.
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Post by Freeza on Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:51 pm

@McLewis wrote:
There has to be room under the Bernie tent for disagreement and true objectivity or else they are no better than Trump supporters in my eyes. No movement is perfect. They are all flawed in some way or another. Blindly refusing to admit these things is delusional.


True. Not giving room for disagreement and being openly racist is just as bad.

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Post by Young Kaz on Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:54 pm

@Freeza wrote:
@McLewis wrote:
There has to be room under the Bernie tent for disagreement and true objectivity or else they are no better than Trump supporters in my eyes. No movement is perfect. They are all flawed in some way or another. Blindly refusing to admit these things is delusional.


True. Not giving room for disagreement and being openly racist is just as bad.


Joe "Planet of the Apes" Rogan being signal boosted by the Bernie campaign is something Trump would have been slaughtered for by Brogressives. In fact, Obama was slaughtered for his pastor telling the truth about America.
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Post by Freeza on Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:05 pm

Yeah people slaughtered Trump because he was endorsed by a bald MMA commentator.

Not because of everything he’s ever said and done.

It’s such a dumb thing to equate the two.

Not gonna bother with that stupidity anymore. Good luck with your boy Joseph Biden

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Post by Myesyats on Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:22 pm

Imagine if Betty put out 2 hours of him just talking every week like Rogan does. No wonder Asian women hate Asian men

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:01 pm

Bernie Sanders as US president would be a milestone in the history of human civilization

a shining city upon a hill ffs

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Post by Young Kaz on Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:09 pm

@Freeza wrote:Yeah people slaughtered Trump because he was endorsed by a bald MMA commentator.

Not because of everything he’s ever said and done.

It’s such a dumb thing to equate the two.

Not gonna bother with that stupidity anymore. Good luck with your boy Joseph Biden


Joe Biden stands no chance
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Post by Young Kaz on Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:11 pm

@Myesyats wrote:Imagine if Betty put out 2 hours of him just talking every week like Rogan does. No wonder Asian women hate Asian men


You wouldnt see me calling a black theater planet of the apes.
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Post by Unique on Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:23 pm

cant wait until the USA gets a new president and after 6 months i can point out how nothing has changed from the trump presidency. that will be as nailed on as liverpool winning the title Laughing

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Post by Vibe on Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:05 am

What are the odds that any president changes anything? The circumstances sometimes change, and people atrribute it to their work.

With Trump at least it gets interesting. I sometimes feel sorry for people who analyze this stuff and actually believe that any of it matters. It doesn't matter. None of us either...

You could elect an actual monkey from the zoo with minimal impact. Which is exactly what any president has on general political pathways. Minimal impact.

But us humans still believe that he will come, that one man who will change everything. And we always hope the next one may be the one( except for Trump, no one hoped that he is it Laughing ), and he never is. Because he doesn't exist... Why? Because the president doesn't wield 10% of the power people think he does.
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Post by Young Kaz on Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:13 am

@Vibe wrote:What are the odds that any president changes anything? The circumstances sometimes change, and people atrribute it to their work.

With Trump at least it gets interesting. I sometimes feel sorry for people who analyze this stuff and actually believe that any of it matters. It doesn't matter. None of us either...

You could elect an actual monkey from the zoo with minimal impact. Which is exactly what any president has on general political pathways. Minimal impact.

But us humans still believe that he will come, that one man who will change everything. And we always hope the next one may be the one( except for Trump, no one hoped that he is it Laughing ), and he never is. Because he doesn't exist... Why? Because the president doesn't wield 10% of the power people think he does.


I know people who finally got health insurance thanks to the ACA. It does make a difference.

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Post by Vibe on Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:15 am

Minimal impact.
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Post by Young Kaz on Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:17 am

@Vibe wrote:Minimal impact.


Minimal to who?

Europeans who get a ton of free shit already because those same Americans pay for their military force? Perhaps, but for people on the ground here in America it made a BIG impact. Obama is an American hero.
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Post by Myesyats on Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:20 am

@Young Kaz wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:Imagine if Betty put out 2 hours of him just talking every week like Rogan does. No wonder Asian women hate Asian men


You wouldnt see me calling a black theater planet of the apes.

You're really hanging onto that lol. Nobody cares.....

If Bernie loses, it won't be because he was endorsed by Rogan. It doesn't matter.

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