Who will be the Democrats' presidential candidate against Trump?

Young Kaz wrote:

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Bernie felt the bern there.

This is gonna hurt Warren more than Bernie imo, refusing to shake hands is absolutely childish.

The US Media are against Bernie it's so obvious.

Mamad wrote:The US Media are against Bernie it's so obvious.

Of course. All media is conservative. They’re privately owned and want to keep their money.

Trump’s biggest genius con is convincing the common folk that privately owned media companies are somehow liberal and progressive is absolutely absurd. They’re all about profit, and no one threatens it more than Bernie.

Bernie has denied making those statements, and publicly made statements that refute those beliefs. The candidate has made his position quite clear, and that should really end that saga.

On the other hand Warren has credibility issue, she for a long time has claimed native American ancestry. Which now she has backed off those claims. She has flip flopped on M4A,She is also blatantly lying about her kids going to public schools.

Mamad wrote:The US Media are against Bernie it's so obvious.

It honestly may help, since the public generally distrust the MSM.

Bernie can win, but he needs to be much more combative against the rest of the democratic candidates. If you are going to be the populist candidate and challenge the system you have to challenge some of those in your party and who have played a role in the status quo.

Biden is probably the frontrunner, but he is hardly ever the target of the other candidates. It is weird when the frontrunner is not being challenged and targeted.

Blue wrote:

Mamad wrote:The US Media are against Bernie it's so obvious.

It honestly may help, since the public generally distrust the MSM.

Bernie can win, but he needs to be much more combative against the rest of the democratic candidates. If you are going to be the populist candidate and challenge the system you have to challenge some of those in your party and who have played a role in the status quo.

Biden is probably the frontrunner, but he is hardly ever the target of the other candidates. It is weird when the frontrunner is not being challenged and targeted.

Its almost as if career politicians dont want to make the person who will be leading their party after this year angry.

Castro came for Biden and it was the end of him...others learned their lesson.

Yeah, really was the end for front runner Castro

Freeza wrote:Yeah, really was the end for front runner Castro

Actually it was. He was a dark horse and had got a lot of media attention before he attacked Biden.

Who cares about this? Irrespective of who is elected, will any of the following change?

Gun laws like in any other developed country? Nope.
Health care like in any other developed country? Nope.
Meddling in the middle east for the interests of a select few profiteers in the military, oil and financial complex? Nope.
Sanctioning anyone who doesn't follow American orders, including European firms building a gas pipeline in Europe so they have to buy democratic US fracking gas instead of dirty Russian gas? Nope (Democrats unanimously voted in favour of this btw).
Drone murdering civilians somewhere in Afghanistan or Iraq? Nope.
Police killing blacks because it's so much fun? Nope.

70 year old former Republican lady and 77 year old senile, corrupt Iraq war supporter are the hope of American liberals and plebs cheer them on. LULS

Hope Trump wins and then Ivanka follows him suit. At least there is verbal entertainment while doing the same politics that America has done for the past 200 years irrespective of the puppet sitting in the white house.

About half of those would change with Warren or Bernie tbf, assuming they had a congressional majority

futbol wrote:Who cares about this? Irrespective of who is elected, will any of the following change?

Gun laws like in any other developed country? Nope.
Health care like in any other developed country? Nope.
Meddling in the middle east for the interests of a select few profiteers in the military, oil and financial complex? Nope.
Sanctioning anyone who doesn't follow American orders, including European firms building a gas pipeline in Europe so they have to buy democratic US fracking gas instead of dirty Russian gas? Nope (Democrats unanimously voted in favour of this btw).
Drone murdering civilians somewhere in Afghanistan or Iraq? Nope.
Police killing blacks because it's so much fun? Nope.

70 year old former Republican lady and 77 year old senile, corrupt Iraq war supporter are the hope of American liberals and plebs cheer them on. LULS

Hope Trump wins and then Ivanka follows him suit. At least there is verbal entertainment while doing the same politics that America has done for the past 200 years irrespective of the puppet sitting in the white house.

How much verbal entertainment did the people on the plane shot down in Iran have thanks to Trump's ego?

You're kidding yourself if you dont think there a fundamental change between the democrats and the party of Trump.

2020 is an election of all of our souls. If we re-elect a bigot we'll be in a trashbin of history the way the people old enough to vote in 2004 are.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:About half of those would change with Warren or Bernie tbf, assuming they had a congressional majority

Also would change with Biden. He’s never done anything less than exemplary regarding those issues.

futbal is right nothing will change. the only thing thats changed between trump and obama is trump has made more jobs.

if presidents and politicians were in charge of things why would the businessman give millions of their own cash to fund a presidential campaign.

In a word? Influence.

It's millions of dollars with strings attached. These businessmen give money to receive political influence in return. The more money they give, the more influence they receive.

The Supreme Court exacerbated this problem by ruling that corporations are people, affording them same rights as anyone else to donate to any candidate's campaign they choose. Conservatives go on endlessly about how good capitalism is, yet ignore super damaging stuff like this. This isn't capitalism. It's how we've moved from a democratic republic to an oligarchy.

How did people let this slip under the radar

take back our government from the wealthy and well connected

Did i miss something? Are Warren and Sanders paupers all of a sudden? Have they got limited resources with which to work? These two ijits are so out of touch with reality, it is actually stunning. Oh and long may this cannibalistic ritual of Dems eating one another continue.

Lex wrote:How did people let this slip under the radar

take back our government from the wealthy and well connected

Did i miss something? Are Warren and Sanders paupers all of a sudden? Have they got limited resources with which to work? These two ijits are so out of touch with reality, it is actually stunning. Oh and long may this cannibalistic ritual of Dems eating one another continue.

What a lazy talking point.

It's an open secret that every member of the US Senate is at least a millionaire. Literally every major politician from both parties is. You want to see politicians who are closer to the middle-class, look at the members of the House. AOC documented the entire process after winning her election and taking her seat in the House and how adjusting from going from a bartender's salary to a Congresswoman's is an enormous shift in prosperity. You pointing out the Sanders and Warren are millionaires is not news nor is it newsworthy.

If we're going to tackle income inequality, we'll need help from the very people who have the ability to influence that system. Sanders and Warren are part of that group. I don't see Trump, McConnell, Pence and other super well-off GOP politicians trying to make things better for the middle-class and pave a path to the same prosperity they enjoy. I tire of bringing up those stupid tax cuts, but again they did not help the middle-class. That was never going to happen when companies shuffled that money to their shareholders (who are NOT middle class) instead. So why are you not focusing on the GOP politicians as well along with Sanders and Warren? It couldn't possible be that you're too partisan and prone to parroting right-wing talking points to admit that this problem affects both ends of the ideological spectrum, could it?

.@BernieSanders: “Barack Obama won 10% of the white vote in Mississippi. That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats there. 90% of white people in Mississippi are not racist.” pic.twitter.com/hj9B027HQq

— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) January 18, 2020

Only black person who supports this senile old fool is Killer Mike.

What did sanders say that was false??

I feel like you blame race on every issue. Wake up

FennecFox7 wrote:What did sanders say that was false??

I feel like you blame race on every issue. Wake up

Obama could have walked on water and he still wouldnt have got more than 10% of the white vote in Mississippi. Do you know what that state represents? Do you know who votes down there?

Bernie Sanders is an out of touch guy who ran from the most diverse area of the country to one of the whitest so he could spout nonsense and get nothing done in the senate. The audacity to visit the south, and talk about what Obama did wrong down there, is just more proof of him being an out of touch man older than baby boomers.

Bernie talks a good game about the south but he got fucking WORKED in the south in 2016. He didnt beat Hillary with ANY demographic south of the mason dixon line, but he can bring his old ass down here now and tell us what Obama could have did? Like, fuck him. He has no idea how much we prayed in 2008 for Obama not to come down here because we were terrified some bigot would kill him.

This is not 2016 where Hillary was facing a guy with zero name recognition, Bernie will do well in the south this time. no one except Biden comes even close to his level of support from Black voters.

Like honestly who else are they gonna vote for? Mayo Pete who's polling 2% among them or Biden who has worked with segregationists and proudly bragged about cutting "entitlements" and social security.

His lead will shatter too once his electability argument falls apart, he's got nothing else to offer to them other than "i can beat Trump".

Pedram wrote:This is not 2016 where Hillary was facing a guy with zero name recognition, Bernie will do well in the south this time. no one except Biden comes even close to his level of support from Black voters.

Like honestly who else are they gonna vote for? Mayo Pete who's polling 2% among them or Biden who has worked with segregationists and proudly bragged about cutting "entitlements" and social security.

His lead will shatter too once his electability argument falls apart, he's got nothing else to offer to them other than "i can beat Trump".

Bernie isnt going to do shit. Same way he hasnt done shit in the decades hes had in the senate yet sit on the sideline and criticize what everybody else does.

Young Kaz wrote:

Pedram wrote:This is not 2016 where Hillary was facing a guy with zero name recognition, Bernie will do well in the south this time. no one except Biden comes even close to his level of support from Black voters.

Like honestly who else are they gonna vote for? Mayo Pete who's polling 2% among them or Biden who has worked with segregationists and proudly bragged about cutting "entitlements" and social security.

His lead will shatter too once his electability argument falls apart, he's got nothing else to offer to them other than "i can beat Trump".

Bernie isnt going to do shit. Same way he hasnt done shit in the decades hes had in the senate yet sit on the sideline and criticize what everybody else does.

Care to think why he does that to everyone in DC? maybe it's because they're all bought and paid for and don't answer to people who elect them? nah its all Bernie's fault, the guy who doesn't toe the establishment line is clearly the problem.

You can keep refusing to see what's right in front of you but don't complain when reality smacks you in the face.

Pedram wrote:

Young Kaz wrote:

Pedram wrote:This is not 2016 where Hillary was facing a guy with zero name recognition, Bernie will do well in the south this time. no one except Biden comes even close to his level of support from Black voters.

Like honestly who else are they gonna vote for? Mayo Pete who's polling 2% among them or Biden who has worked with segregationists and proudly bragged about cutting "entitlements" and social security.

His lead will shatter too once his electability argument falls apart, he's got nothing else to offer to them other than "i can beat Trump".

Bernie isnt going to do shit. Same way he hasnt done shit in the decades hes had in the senate yet sit on the sideline and criticize what everybody else does.

Care to think why he does that to everyone in DC? maybe it's because they're all bought and paid for and don't answer to people who elect them? nah its all Bernie's fault, the guy who doesn't toe the establishment line is clearly the problem.

You can keep refusing to see what's right in front of you but don't complain when reality smacks you in the face.

What has Bernie done in the senate outside of judging people?

Remember in 2016 when he called southerners "low information" voters and didnt even try to speak to us?

thats the bernie I know.

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