GAME OF THRONES - PART 8 - *NO BOOK TALK - READ THE RULES*

rincon wrote:Yeah, we are gonna get more info on him currently, and see him more of course, but we already got his backstory.

That scene at the last hearth was excellent. The NK/White Walkers never disappoint in being terrifying. I think we are gonna get more Hardhome vibes from the next two episodes.

El Gunner wrote:

rincon wrote:Yeah, we are gonna get more info on him currently, and see him more of course, but we already got his backstory.

That scene at the last hearth was excellent. The NK/White Walkers never disappoint in being terrifying. I think we are gonna get more Hardhome vibes from the next two episodes.

Okay, maybe not more backstory, but just more about his current motivations.

Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys. **George R. R. Martin

Kaladin wrote:The episode had a lot of terrible dialogue and useless moments, seriously, the show has degraded and is well past its prime. Still gonna watch it though, though its pretty evident that its a farcry of what it once was.

M99 wrote:

El Gunner wrote:

rincon wrote:Yeah, we are gonna get more info on him currently, and see him more of course, but we already got his backstory.

That scene at the last hearth was excellent. The NK/White Walkers never disappoint in being terrifying. I think we are gonna get more Hardhome vibes from the next two episodes.

Okay, maybe not more backstory, but just more about his current motivations.

The biggest question is why now? Why were they MIA for a thousand years and invading now?

If that transformation scene is all the backstory we get...the kindest thing I can say is that would be disappointing.

Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys. **George R. R. Martin

M99 wrote:

El Gunner wrote:

rincon wrote:Yeah, we are gonna get more info on him currently, and see him more of course, but we already got his backstory.

That scene at the last hearth was excellent. The NK/White Walkers never disappoint in being terrifying. I think we are gonna get more Hardhome vibes from the next two episodes.

Okay, maybe not more backstory, but just more about his current motivations.

The biggest question is why now? Why were they MIA for a thousand years and invading now?

rincon wrote:
On the other stuff, the NK isn't a tolkien style dark lord, or a dark lord at all. He is the product of humans conquering and waging war on nature and others. I see that totally in line with GRRM's pacifist themes about showing the awful aspects of war. The First Men went to cut everything down, disrupt the children, nature and the old gods, and they got a weapon of mass destruction set against them for their troubles. The NK is as much a product of the humans as he is of the children. IMO that's the point of their story.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Kaladin wrote:The episode had a lot of terrible dialogue and useless moments, seriously, the show has degraded and is well past its prime. Still gonna watch it though, though its pretty evident that its a farcry of what it once was.

Which parts in particular?

I am a critic of the later seasons as discussed previously but I didn't have much of an issue with most of this episode. I thought most of the dialogue was on point , and all the interactions were needed. Which do you think were fluff?

Kaladin wrote:
Cersei incessantly obsessing over elephants
Jon and Dany how to train your dragon
The Hound and Arya's reunion was a massive letdown
The whole scene with Tormund and the Lord of Light fella

A whole bunch of nothing happened. the parts i liked was Yarafinally getting out and the Jon reveal. It feels like this episode was just stalling for Jaimie to arrive.

RealGunner wrote:I still can't get over how lightly everyone treated the wall breaking.

The wall that they talked about for 7 years like it was the greatest thing ever made (which it was in GOT lore). Stood for thousands of years. It just broke through. No one commented. Daenerys' dragon got turned. No one commented.

I hope this gets addressed in the 2nd episode.

M99 wrote:

RealGunner wrote:I still can't get over how lightly everyone treated the wall breaking.

The wall that they talked about for 7 years like it was the greatest thing ever made (which it was in GOT lore). Stood for thousands of years. It just broke through. No one commented. Daenerys' dragon got turned. No one commented.

I hope this gets addressed in the 2nd episode.

Reminds me, something veryyyyyy interesting got revealed in Fire and Blood.

Dragons cannot cross the Wall. Queen Alysanne Targaryen who visited The Wall tried to cross it with her dragon but they were unable or refused to go.

Makes me even more curious on what GRRM's plan is in the books. Shame we'll never read it.

Glory wrote:What a massive disappointment Euron is turning out to be people. (Sorry Freeza) Have to say, a very cartoonish villain. May be it’s because the expectation is pretty big. The hype surrounding his character before he was introduced was too much. Anyway the guy is like a bad imitation, a proper clown. In his defense he didn’t get as much build up and back story as a Jofrey or a Ramsay, and he was introduced way later when the show was entering the end, and most importantly the writing was done by the scrubs Dan and David, but even still. The lack of screen time especially is a pointless excuse considering we had GOAT villains like Karl Turner and Locke already with even lesser time to shine. Sigh.
The thing is a great portrayal of Euron Greyjoy would have done so much for the show, especially now, since Cersei has only basically him and only a couple of others by her side. We, as viewers would have bought somewhat into Cersei’s stupidity and casualness with regard to her approach towards WW, if there was a badass Ramsay like Euron fighting for her. Would have given them an air of unpredictability.  Now I know writers will still give them stupid plot armours and make them win battles they shouldn’t be winning and all but. It could have been done much better.

Jon Snow: Look at you, you’re a man now

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— Brendan McGuigan (@GuiggySmalls) April 15, 2019

M99 wrote:Something interesting is being glossed over. Qyburn told Bronn Cersei has "other plans" for Daenerys.

I think she's gonna hire the Faceless Men.