Re: English Premier League '16-'17 Discussion - Part 2

by Nishankly Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:07 pm

We are playing shite, We've had 6 clear opportunities, Only scored 2 till now. 15 mins in.

Origi and Firmino the scorers, Mane and Clyne with the assists.

by Sri Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:12 pm

Leading 2-0 in 15' and complaining Laughing

by Nishankly Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:30 pm

That's a penalty on Mane and a red card, Ref feeling sorry for Burton ffs.

We would have beaten Burnley with Mane in the team imo

by Jay29 Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:38 pm

Chelsea beating Bristol Rovers 3-1. Two goals from Batshuayi, one from Moses.

Everton 1 - 0 Yeovil. Lennon with the goal.

Newcastle 1-0 up against Cheltenham via Ayoze.

by rwo power Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:43 pm

How does the League Cup work - I mean which PL Clubs start in the 2nd round - all the ones from 8th place down? Or do some start in the 1st round, too?

by Jay29 Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:04 pm

Teams in European competition start in Round 3, the rest of the PL teams start in Round 2, EFL clubs from Round 1.

Chelsea 3 - 2 Bristol Rovers hmm

Potential for something there.

by rwo power Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:08 pm

Ah, thx

by Helmer Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:34 pm

Mane is inhuman!

by McAgger Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:43 pm

5-0. Good win to get some momentum back after the embarrassment at Burnley.

Mane and Matip are very good players. Hopefully Matip will start in PL now.

Can injured again. Might as well give Spurs the 3 points if Hendo plays DM again. Would rather Stewart start. Hopefully it's nothing serious with Can though.

by Firenze Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:57 pm

Chelsea barely get by Bristol Rovers 3-2 rofl

by Helmer Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:10 pm

Don't call me James wrote:
Helmer wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:It's pretty funny, in a sad way, that Liverpool haven't won the league in 25 years, haven't been a top 4 team for the better part of a decade, but their fans never seem able to wait even one week.

you tried to preach similarly even when Rodgers was in charge
no one is asking for Klopp to get sacked. I think most of the fans are just worried that defensively we are still not that good.

I think as soon as Can or Lucas and Matip will be back, we should look better. Our fullbacks are forced to play such passes (the one against Burnley from Clyne resulting into the first goal) because our midfield is shit. I think Klopp is still trying to find out the balanced midfield, attacking way and defensive both.

The 5 goals have been conceded are not the fault of the defensive system or whatever. It's individual mistakes. I fully blame it on the personnel. You cannot be mad at Klopp or frusrated that our defense hasn't been fixed

First Henderson. He's not a DM. He has no effing clue what he's doing in that role. Literally running around like a headless chicken in that space. It's embarrassing watching him act like he has any tactical discipline or understanding. Can and Lucas have been injured and not match fit. Hopefully they will be back soon and starting (in Can's case) so we never see Hendo again in that role.

Second Klavan and Lovren have just met each other. Not only are they our 3rd and 4th choice defenders but they are playing for the first time together. Because of Matip and Sakho's injuries and other issues we've been relegated to Lovren-Klavan start the season. Again even then the 2 of them have not done too bad with the limited protection they are getting from Hendo and they fullbacks.

Clyne's form has been awful these 2 games. Hopefully he return to the player he was last season because that's the Clyne that we need. And then there's Moreno whom I won't talk about. And Milner has played what 3 games at LB in his whole life.

The goals conceded were:
1) Lallana's fault for dribbling like an idiot in his own 3rd and losing the ball. Moreno slightly at fault for bombing forward like a headless chicken with no care in the world to see if we actually even have the ball. Good finish can't blame Mignolet, it was a good finish.

https://my.mixtape.moe/nyopce.mp4

2) Clyne at fault for not pushing Ox to the byline instead of letting cut inside like he was always going to do. Lallana slightly at fault for coming to help so late and then arriving at the most inopportune time. The second he arrived to help Clyne switched off and delegated responsibility to Lallana and they were both left like idiots in the wake. And finally Hendo's fault for being an absolute idiot and just doing nothing but standing on his heels as Ox went past him with that embarrassing thing he calls a tackle. It was a deflection, hard to blame Mig but a keeper with better reflexes could have saved it.

https://my.mixtape.moe/oemrix.mp4

3) Clyne at fault for the worst throw in in history. Giving it straight to the Arsenal play. Then fouling him like an idiot. Other than that can't blame anyone for the freekick goal. It was a great delivery.

https://my.mixtape.moe/paxlyi.mp4

4) Clyne fully at fault. Giving the ball away with an awful pass. Not only was his pass miss-hit but he should never have played that option. Lallana's was under pressure from 2 players anyways. Great shot from Vokes. Can't really blame the CBs or Mignolet.

https://my.mixtape.moe/sperrj.mp4

5) Sturridge at fault for losing the ball embarassingly cheaply. Coutinho at fault for completely stopping running and letting Defour go. Klavan at fault for making that challenge at the center circle and not winning the ball. Henderson again at fault for just running embarrassingly past Gray with that thing he calls a challenge. Lovren at fault for turning his back like a pussy instead of going for the block like a warrior. Mignolet at fault for his awful positioning. Should have been further back in his line.

https://my.mixtape.moe/noxrnx.mp4

A lot of it can be fixed with personnel changes and having our starting defense on paper actually playing.

Karius
Clyne - Matip - Sakho - LB*

I guess under Rdogers also we blamed players for goals but I am sure later on we realised that it is actually Rodgers system that made us defensively weak.

Whatever Moreno did there, it is Klopps mistake to instruct him to run as soon as we get possession. I remember us playing under Benitez and how our defenses drilled to death. Our fullbacks would have never made an attepmt to run like that under Benitez.

For Klopps system to work, you need players who are quick in transitioning defense into attack or just controll the tempo of the game without attacking and just circulating the ball calmly in the last two lines of defense and then find the right pass to nullify the pressing by opponents.

We need midfield balance to avoid unnecessary mistakes and keep the options open for surrounding players so that they can out the right pass. And even when we attack, the position of midfield players and fullbacks matter so as to avoid conceding on counterattacks. And we failed to controll the match many times during the last season also.

by McAgger Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:24 pm

Why do you think Clyne never gets caught out as badly as Moreno even though he bombs up and down just as much as Moreno. Because he has enough understanding of the game to not brainlessly run when it doesn't look like the play has developed yet. Moreno just ran up without a care in the world, happy that his defensive duty had ended that possession, which in reality was mistake because we barely made one pass and lost the ball.

The blame is definitely on Lallana there for dribbling and losing the ball like an idiot in a dangerous position but Moreno should have held back at least until the play had developed and Lallana got away from the Arsenal player.

by RealGunner Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:40 pm

i feel so bad at laughing

VIDEO: Jordan Henderson vs Championship team Burton Albion. RT. pic.twitter.com/vODIW9xzDE
— Sam (@f1rmino) August 23, 2016

by Firenze Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:47 pm

RealGunner wrote:i feel so bad at laughing

VIDEO: Jordan Henderson vs Championship team Burton Albion. RT. pic.twitter.com/vODIW9xzDE
— Sam (@f1rmino) August 23, 2016

LMFAO

by Unique Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:04 am

You 2 have some front laughing at Henderson when both of you at one time had to sit and watch welbeck trip over his own feet

by McAgger Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:20 am

Henderson has been embarrassingly bad this season so far. These 3 games, I've been facepalming every time he touches the ball or is anywhere near the vicinity of play.

by B-Mac Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:37 am

Unique wrote:You 2 have some front laughing at Henderson when both of you at one time had to sit and watch welbeck trip over his own feet

Welbeck = Squad player

Henderson = Liverpool Captain Molenation

by Unique Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:40 am

Don't call me James wrote:Henderson has been embarrassingly bad this season so far. These 3 games, I've been facepalming every time he touches the ball or is anywhere near the vicinity of play.

we should have kept Allen until we signed another MF player. Henderson as you say has been poor. Lucas has lost his legs now and can has been unlucky with injuries. Grujic is not ready to be thrown in.

by Unique Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:41 am

B-Mac wrote:
Unique wrote:You 2 have some front laughing at Henderson when both of you at one time had to sit and watch welbeck trip over his own feet

Welbeck = Squad player

Henderson = Liverpool Captain

Henderson >welbeck

by B-Mac Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:44 am

Unique wrote:
B-Mac wrote:
Unique wrote:You 2 have some front laughing at Henderson when both of you at one time had to sit and watch welbeck trip over his own feet

Welbeck = Squad player

Henderson = Liverpool Captain
Henderson >welbeck

DMbeck>Henderson imo :coffee: