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Post by urbaNRoots Fri May 13, 2016 8:33 pm

Bayern spent €80m in one day just this week, no Bundesliga club can compete with that.

It is already a one-horse league.

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Post by sportsczy Fri May 13, 2016 8:45 pm

Yeah well that's true... even if Lyon is running full throttle, they will never be able to spend more than a fraction of what PSG can. It really comes down to whether OM can be sold to a similarly wealthy owner... doubtful.
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Post by Lord Awesome Fri May 13, 2016 8:51 pm

Monaco just need to start being more aggressive in the market. Pretty sure with the backing they have they can pull players from every league in the world.

I believe it's only a matter of doing at this point.
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Post by Robespierre Fri May 13, 2016 8:51 pm

TrezeGent wrote:
Robespierre wrote:They are 32 and Inter have 18 too . Then I know ppl needs to live on parallel realities  ...
ES wrote:http://www.goallegacy.net/t38961-i-see-the-title-dangerously-prepared-for-x-y-z-etc

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Nothing to add.
Football is dead and it's became the most boring sport, with the great CL and the FFP to crystallize the situation. Leicester are just a miracle. And anyway it can happen just in England.
Juve won the Scudetto advance 3 matchdays, despite the worst start ever and despite Higuain  got  many records. Fussball agrees on Serie Zzzz  , I must admit it. It will be always worse.
I mean , Juve won in 2nd half of season won ALL the matches except one ... in Serie A .. historically a balanced league.
These' re numbers worthy of a Norwegian league when Rosenberg dominated. Probably Sacchi agreed.

Oh you think so? Can you post all 18 pics showing field title celebrations of Inter?  Im not gonna start a Juve vs Inter title count argument here with you, but you cant find all 18 because they don't physically exist. *

And please stop with that Serie Z crap. You never said the same when Inter was winning 4 titles in a row after Calcioppoli. During that time Juve went to hell, with negative $400 million balance and half of the team being midtable quality players, yet we still managed to find a way from hell to create history. What's Inter's excuse from going from a triple title win to fighting for a spot in europa league?

And please, stop with that "Serie A was a historically balanced league". From 1970 to 2006 (calcioppoli), Inter won 3 *bleep* league titles!!! 3! It was all Juve and Milan (And the cases of Roma, Parma, and the 1-2 year wonders - just like La Liga today). So please, dont put Inter on the same category with Milan, they really dont deserve to.

Football is not dead and will never be. Premier League and La Liga title races are as interesting as ever, and so is Champions League. You cant possibly expect title challenges from 4-5 different teams. Football will always be dominated by rich teams, wheres the surprise in that? It's always been this way.

Spoken words fly away, written words remain . I can also saying Armstrong won 7 Tour de France because my heart says this .. But it is not, simply.  It is not relevant what your heart says, the facts or the palmares is just the only thing. I invent nothing, I mean. . http://www.legaseriea.it/it/serie-a-tim/albo-d-oro

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It's enough normal you tend to overrate the Serie A because you like it. Hardly you can talk badly about a thing to give you a daily satisfaction.  
It is psychology.
But a neutral tends to watch the situation with other eyes

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And it is really difficult to appreciate it.

I dont' believe it is comparable to our past great slam because of perspectives.
At that time there was FFP for example and Juve could spend freely ( 50 for Melo and Diego ).
Now , fore example, we are caged under FFP and we can spend no money or nay you can just self-finance. It means you'e obliged to sell your best players ( and they are even few. Basically you're in a prohibitive situation, as if you want to emerge from quicksand)
Milan aren't still in this situation just because they aren't in Europe and so the FFP  regime wasn't actived on them.
But if they will do it this year ( it depends on Coppa Italia final ) they ' ll have same troubles because their balance sheet is also very bad (atm , even worse than us hmm ) .
Infact it's a reason why ppl say Milan didn't want the 6th place in the league...
It's a "serious " problem ( not for a Juve fan of course, but for who didn't want to look at  a " dictatorship" in Serie A ) considering just the two Milan cities clubs can break the black and white domination.
Roma and Napoli  ffs Laughing  Who follows the Serie A, it knows it is not realistic .
So  , I say yes responding on this thread . But I wrote it time ago.
Perhaps it's time for a European Superleague, and probably it is not a case that Agnelli and Rummenigge are more favorable on it . It is not good even for who always wins.


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Post by rwo power Fri May 13, 2016 8:52 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:Bayern spent €80m in one day just this week, no Bundesliga club can compete with that.
You are aware that RB Leipzig already invested 26 mio Euros last season while they were only in the 2nd Bundesliga? You bet that Mateschitz will open his purse big time now that they got the promotion to the Bundesliga...
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Post by Art Morte Fri May 13, 2016 9:27 pm

Lord Awesome wrote:Monaco just need to start being more aggressive in the market. Pretty sure with the backing they have they can pull players from every league in the world.

I believe it's only a matter of doing at this point.

Someone who knows about Monaco better than I or Awesome do, pls clarify what's the situation is. They sold Martial, Kondogbia, Carrasco and Kurzawa last summer for over 100m euros. I thought this is a sign that they're toning it down, no?


rwo power wrote:
urbaNRoots wrote:Bayern spent €80m in one day just this week, no Bundesliga club can compete with that.
You are aware that RB Leipzig already invested 26 mio Euros last season while they were only in the 2nd Bundesliga? You bet that Mateschitz will open his purse big time now that they got the promotion to the Bundesliga...

Isn't there a rule in Bundesliga that you cannot spend more than you make?
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Post by rwo power Fri May 13, 2016 9:49 pm

Art Morte wrote:Isn't there a rule in Bundesliga that you cannot spend more than you make?
Officially yes. But Red Bull make their own rules, it seems... They managed to set up their club with members that are only Red Bull employees, too, thus virtually making a mockery of the 50+1 rule and stuff.
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Post by Doc Fri May 13, 2016 10:03 pm

Red Bull actually go into technicalities.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri May 13, 2016 10:16 pm

Lol Liga fan talking shit when Barca have won 7 out of the last 10 Lol Liga's rofl
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Post by sportsczy Fri May 13, 2016 10:50 pm

100 million? Add Falcao, James, etc. They've made 300 million in the last 24 months. Their policy is to pay good money for very talented kids like Bernardo Silva, Martial, Kondogbia, Bakayoko, Lemar, etc. It's the Porto/Benfica model. They will continue that. So you can't really predict how they will be from year to year since a lot of it is based on these types of bets AND, if clubs write them a big check, they will sell.

For example, there are pretty strong rumors that Lemar is going to be sold for a huge fee as he is in the same path as Martial at the club (he's a AM). Bayern, City, Atleti, etc. are looking to buy him before he explodes next season when he will be handed the keys to Monaco's playmaking... only just turned 20. Liverpool making a push too but it will be tough for them with the competition.

That's what Monaco are. Good club to follow since they buy and play very talented kids. They're a feeder club. Only way they can make money tbh.
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Post by sportsczy Fri May 13, 2016 10:58 pm

I would watch the France U23 team btw. They just called up:
- Lucas Hernandez (Atleti)
- Lemar (Monaco)
- Dembele (Dortmund)
- Cornet (Lyon)
- Bakayoko (Monaco)
- Koziello (Nice)
- Kimpembe (PSG)

Rabiot would be there too but he became an alternate for the senior team so he can't.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri May 13, 2016 11:27 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Lol Liga fan talking shit when Barca have won 7 out of the last 10 Lol Liga's rofl
Because of a golden generation rather than better revenues, club management, coaching, etc. The fact that Atleti is competing tells you all you need to know about how Real and Barca are managed.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri May 13, 2016 11:32 pm

All i see is excuses hmm
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Post by Lord Spencer Sat May 14, 2016 11:46 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Lol Liga fan talking shit when Barca have won 7 out of the last 10 Lol Liga's rofl


When the Serie A season starts, everyone predicts that Juve will win it.

When the Bundesliga season starts, everyone predicts that Bayern will win it.

When La Liga starts, not everyone predicts that Barca will win it, even if they are favorites.

In both the Italian and German league, it is obvious that Juver and Bayern are far superior to all other teams. Both financially, and in the football field.

Historically, La Liga have always been a two horse race, with dark horses every now and then. Just as historically, Serie A has been a two horse race (Juve and a Milan team) with the occasional dark horse.
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Post by Unique Sat May 14, 2016 1:46 pm

the English lge has always been the most competitive in the world that's why its so popular. Thumbs up
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Post by Harmonica Sat May 14, 2016 2:59 pm

28 point lead in Ligue Lol
10 point lead in Not So Premier League
10 point lead in Bundeadliga
9 point lead in Serie Zzz
3 teams inside 3 points in Goat Liga
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Post by Robespierre Sun May 15, 2016 11:45 am

Because of FFP

Inter is eternally gabbed from FFP and so they must spend how much earned at least till 2019.
You need of a defender , a midfielder, and another CF ? Well , sell Icardi.
Same for Milan when they will be back in Europe as I said above.

Knew another relevant thing now...
Roma MUST get 30 mln WITHIN June because this is estabilished from FFP financial stakes. (we should do it the next year)

This means they must sell Pjanic or Nainggolan

And infact there are rumours about Pjanic sold .... to Juventus.

This is the current state of main Juve contenders.
And does it mean an eternal on horse race ( Serie Zzzz ) ? rofl

The modern football mean dictatorshipies in every country and the FFP is a regime.

Platini got 8 years and he can even be luck. He 's contribue to destroy a sport after Bosman law and great CL with FFP.
We have no alternatives if not  to bring down the system
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun May 15, 2016 12:51 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Lol Liga fan talking shit when Barca have won 7 out of the last 10 Lol Liga's rofl


When the Serie A season starts, everyone predicts that Juve will win it.

When the Bundesliga season starts, everyone predicts that Bayern will win it.

When La Liga starts, not everyone predicts that Barca will win it, even if they are favorites.

In both the Italian and German league, it is obvious that Juver and Bayern are far superior to all other teams. Both financially, and in the football field.

Historically, La Liga have always been a two horse race, with dark horses every now and then. Just as historically, Serie A has been a two horse race (Juve and a Milan team) with the occasional dark horse.


Only because they are stupid.
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Post by S Wed May 18, 2016 7:23 pm

Robespierre wrote:Because of FFP

Inter is eternally gabbed from FFP and so they must spend how much earned at least till 2019.
You need of a defender , a midfielder, and another CF ? Well , sell Icardi.
Same for Milan when they will be back in Europe as I said above.

Knew another relevant thing now...
Roma MUST get 30 mln WITHIN June because this is estabilished from FFP financial stakes. (we should do it the next year)

This means they must sell Pjanic or Nainggolan

And infact there are rumours about Pjanic sold .... to Juventus.

This is the current state of main Juve contenders.
And does it mean an eternal on horse race ( Serie Zzzz ) ? rofl

The modern football mean dictatorshipies in every country and the FFP is a regime.

Platini got 8 years and he can even be luck. He 's contribue to destroy a sport after Bosman law and great CL with FFP.
We have no alternatives if not  to bring down the system


FFP came at the wrong time for Inter but fact is Moratti had no money either way.He even accumulated gigantic losses in the treble winning yr.

You just cant  blame FFP when your club was/is horribly mismanaged.I would say the same for Roma under Sensi's management and ofcourse Milan.

Juventus were demoted 10 yrs ago.That alone gave clubs like Roma,Milan and Inter a headstart to establish a sustainable future but none of them dint while Juventus came back,operated in a very efficient way(under the new mgt) with an eye for the future and are now reaping the benefits of it.

One cant blame clubs like Bayern or Juventus when the rest of teams in their respective leagues are mismanaged.(Its only now that Dortmund are catching up)
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Post by zizzle Wed May 18, 2016 7:44 pm

Fact is Juvi had the luxury to spend their way out of the mid table, Inter doesnt, even if the money is there..
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Post by Robespierre Sun May 22, 2016 11:18 pm

So..

Italy = Juventus got the double  (2 in a row)
France = PSG got the double  (2 in a row)
Spain = Barcellona got the double  (2 in a row)
Germany  = Bayen Munchen got the double  

It is not even "just" a matter of league anymore.
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