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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:23 pm

If you want you can check the data here, but it's pretty ridiculous you are trying to teach me about my club:

http://media3.fcbarcelona.com/media/asset_publics/resources/000/199/374/original/MEMORIA_CLUB_14_15_CASTELLANO.v1448467303.pdf?_ga=1.80334544.676350962.1453114922

Ps. and about taxes, as I work as a tax advisor.

Another clue as why Messi is not earning 56 milion gross: From his tax evasion case, his salary was leaked, and in 2008/09 and 2009/2010, when he already was the world's best player, he was earning around 10 milion gross.


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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:26 pm

So you're telling me that Messi earns 20m-25m gross?
Is that you're final word?
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Post by S Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:27 pm

Free_cat ,you're getting confused.

25m BEFORE tax = 12.5m AFTER tax.
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Post by S Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:29 pm

free_cat wrote:If you want you can check the data here, but it's pretty ridiculous you are trying to teach me about my club:

http://media3.fcbarcelona.com/media/asset_publics/resources/000/199/374/original/MEMORIA_CLUB_14_15_CASTELLANO.v1448467303.pdf?_ga=1.80334544.676350962.1453114922

Ps. and about taxes, as I work as a tax advisor.

Another clue as why Messi is not earning 56 milion gross: From his tax evasion case, his salary was leaked, and in 2008/09 and 2009/2010, when he already was the world's best player, he was earning around 10 milion gross.


gross salaries implies before tax,

Whereas net salaries implies after taxes,that is all.

Just a slight confusion.


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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:30 pm

S wrote:Free_cat ,you're getting confused.

25m net BEFORE tax = 12.5m AFTER tax.


No such thing as "net BEFORE tax" exists in salaries.

I believe Messi earns more around 25-30 gross, not 20-25.
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Post by S Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:32 pm

free_cat wrote:
S wrote:Free_cat ,you're getting confused.

25m net BEFORE tax = 12.5m  AFTER tax.


No such thing as "net BEFORE tax" exists in salaries.

I believe Messi earns more around 25-30 gross, not 20-25.


Edited my post.Dint mean to include 'net' there.

But no way Messi earns 25m GROSS salary that pretty rounds about to 12.5m NET salary.

No way.


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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:32 pm

S wrote:
free_cat wrote:If you want you can check the data here, but it's pretty ridiculous you are trying to teach me about my club:

http://media3.fcbarcelona.com/media/asset_publics/resources/000/199/374/original/MEMORIA_CLUB_14_15_CASTELLANO.v1448467303.pdf?_ga=1.80334544.676350962.1453114922

Ps. and about taxes, as I work as a tax advisor.

Another clue as why Messi is not earning 56 milion gross: From his tax evasion case, his salary was leaked, and in 2008/09 and 2009/2010, when he already was the world's best player, he was earning around 10 milion gross.


gross salaries implies before tax,

Whereas net salaries implies after taxes,that is all.

Just a slight confusion.


I know, and most of the times journalists report conflicting salaries on the matter. After several years of trying to put ligt into these, and especially after Messi's tax evasion that allowed to calculate his gross salary, most of the time the correct is to assume they are talking about gross salaries.
No way Rakitic is earning 14 milion gross.
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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:33 pm

S wrote:
free_cat wrote:
S wrote:Free_cat ,you're getting confused.

25m net BEFORE tax = 12.5m  AFTER tax.


No such thing as "net BEFORE tax" exists in salaries.

I believe Messi earns more around 25-30 gross, not 20-25.


Edited my post.Dint mean to include 'net' there.

But no way Messi earns 25m GROSS salary that pretty rounds about to 12.5m NET salary.

No way.


Well, we know from his tax case he earned around 10milion Gross salary when he was already the best player in the world in 2009-10. Do you think he has sixtupled his salary since then?
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:36 pm

Eh?

Salaries in Spanish football are mostly reported as net salaries.

What the hell are you talking about.
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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:37 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Eh?

Salaries in Spanish football are mostly reported as net salaries.

What the hell are you talking about.


In reality, journalits don't even know what net or gross means.
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Post by S Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:39 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Eh?

Salaries in Spanish football are mostly reported as net salaries.

What the hell are you talking about.


Yep.

Spain,Italy and France all report salaries in NET.

England and Germany report salaries in GROSS.

Seriously hard to believe Messi was earning 10m gross in 09-10,back when Ibra was earning a 10m NET salary at Inter before his switch to Barca.
Free_cat is misguiding us it seems hmm
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:40 pm

Right.

Pretty sure you're completely wrong about Barca's player salaries, free.
Actually, 100% off Laughing

Sorry to say that, I can't believe it too, but you are Laughing
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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:42 pm

http://media3.fcbarcelona.com/media/asset_publics/resources/000/199/374/original/MEMORIA_CLUB_14_15_CASTELLANO.v1448467303.pdf?_ga=1.80334544.676350962.1453114922

Check page 227 of the memory (229 of the PDF) where it details exactly the salaries for the first team players and coaches please.

It's ONLY 138 milion + 81 milion in bonuses because we won the treble.

It's so obvious Messi doesn't earn 56 milion gross (which would be a 40% of all the salaries) it doesn't even need any more comment.

Boom, roasted, leaving it here.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:46 pm

LMAO that only means you're paying the rest of the players poverty wages.
Don't let Bernie Sanders hear about your wage bill, income inequality is rampant Laughing
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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:53 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:LMAO that only means you're paying the rest of the players poverty wages.
Don't let Bernie Sanders hear about your wage bill, income inequality is rampant Laughing


Problem is that Neymar and Suarez have reported salaries of more than 10 milion, if it's net like you say, there are only left 40 milion for 20 other footballers and all the coaches, including players like Iniesta, Busquets, etc.

If you can't see you are wrong, I'm sorry for you. Evidence is my way of life, and I would admit being wrong if you could give any instead of just saying again and again it's not this.


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Post by S Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:53 pm

Free,Barca's wages to turnover ratio is at 73%.

Considering you make more than 500m in revenue,thats like 300m+ in wages alone Laughing

Please shed some light on this.

That wage bill you posted right there,is less than PSG,Madrid,Bayern,all the top 4 of EPL and slightly better than Juve.
It just doesnt sound believable Laughing
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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:55 pm

S wrote:Free,Barca's wages to turnover ratio is at 73%.

Considering you make more than 500m in revenue,thats like 300m+ in wages alone Laughing

Please shed some light on this.

That wage bill you posted right there,is less than PSG,Madrid,Bayern,all the top 4 of EPL and slightly better than Juve.
It just doesnt sound believable Laughing


Check the accounts I posted, it's spanish, you'll understand it. First team wage bill it's just 138 milion + 81 milion in bonuses for the treble (last season).
You get to that 300+ wage bill adding all Barça sections (basketball, handball, futsal, hockey), youth teams and non sporting wages.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:56 pm

He pretends as if boni are not part of wages, and as if Barca only paid 80m boni because they won the CL.
Else they'd have paid 0, or so he's trying to tell us Laughing
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Post by free_cat Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:57 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:He pretends as if boni are not part of wages, and as if Barca only paid 80m boni because they won the CL.
Else they'd have paid 0, or so he's trying to tell us Laughing


Still adding the 80 milion in bonuses it just doesn't add up if Messi is earning 56 milion and Neymar and Suarez around 30+ each.
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Post by S Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:07 pm

Lets just ignore Barcelona's wage bill for a moment.

So free,you really believe Messi earns less than CR and Ibra in terms of annual salary ?
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:14 pm

Free, Forbes puts Messi's gross salary at $51.8m, which comes out to 47.68 million euros.

http://www.forbes.com/profile/lionel-messi/

So I think S and Hans win this one.
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Post by Curtinho Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:14 pm

I think Messi earning less than Ronaldo and Ibra is believable, yes.
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:15 pm

What I posted doesn't include endorsements BTW, that would take it up to 71mil. That's just from Barca.
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Post by rincon Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:25 pm

Sport.es gives a breakdown of barca's and madrid's net salaries (in spanish but easy enough to understand)

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/cuanto-cobran-los-jugadores-barcelona-real-madrid-4605836

messi at 21 net hmm
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:30 pm

free_cat wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:He pretends as if boni are not part of wages, and as if Barca only paid 80m boni because they won the CL.
Else they'd have paid 0, or so he's trying to tell us Laughing


Still adding the 80 milion in bonuses it just doesn't add up if Messi is earning 56 milion and Neymar and Suarez around 30+ each.


Don't think Neymar is earning 15m net yet. He will after he extends (probably more).

I do believe it's thinkable Messi is receiving something like 20% to a quarter of all Barca player's wages, absolutely.
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Post by Art Morte Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:36 pm

According to Forbes's Top Earning Athletes list of 2015, Messi's salary was $51m (gross) plus endorsements somewhere above $20m. http://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/#tab:overall

I don't remember how they do image rights in Spain? Income from those is probably included in that $51m figure. But I suppose it's impossible to trust any source completely, the earnings of these top atheletes can be pretty complicated how they're formed.
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