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Post by Art Morte Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:36 pm

According to Forbes's Top Earning Athletes list of 2015, Messi's salary was $51m (gross) plus endorsements somewhere above $20m. http://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/#tab:overall

I don't remember how they do image rights in Spain? Income from those is probably included in that $51m figure. But I suppose it's impossible to trust any source completely, the earnings of these top atheletes can be pretty complicated how they're formed.

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Post by rincon Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:38 pm

The pdf that free_cat posted actually has the wage bill at 247 million euros, which checks out with messi's 50 mill salary and the numbers from sport.es and forbes
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Post by Donuts Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:17 pm

Curtinho wrote:I think Messi earning less than Ronaldo and Ibra is believable, yes.

this, if anything it wouldn't shock me if Ronaldo demanded to be paid more than messi. real madrid after all have this whole ronaldo is the best campaign going on with the upper staff lol where even if they don't believe it they have to make him believe it

and PSG has infinite money of course they can overpay for ibra.

speaking of wages Alex Song is apparently earning 140k a week (which is why we cannot find a club willing to buy him because of ridiculous wages) Laughing
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Post by windkick Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:21 pm

S wrote:Messi to earn €40m from next season

Lionel Messi will earn €40 million per year from next season, which means his wages will be almost doubled after talks with Barcelona.

Source: Mundo Deportivo

Makes sense why they'd struggle to keep Neymar :coffee:

Cant wait to celebrate this potentially momentous occasion with Harmonica when Neymar leaves cheers


More of a chance we somehow end up signing Pogba than selling Neymar.

Keep waiting to celebrate.
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Post by windkick Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:27 pm

Also have to remember sooner or later some of the guys earning a ton in wages will be off the books (and we will likely get something in transfer fees for them); aging players like Alves, Mascherano, and even Iniesta. Also have guys making decent money that could leave sooner rather than later like Adriano, Mathieu and even possibly Vermalean. So easily in the next few seasons we will free up ALLOT in wages. We are going to be fine
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:29 pm

Donuts wrote:
Curtinho wrote:I think Messi earning less than Ronaldo and Ibra is believable, yes.

this, if anything it wouldn't shock me if Ronaldo demanded to be paid more than messi. real madrid after all have this whole ronaldo is the best campaign going on with the upper staff lol where even if they don't believe it they have to make him believe it

and PSG has infinite money of course they can overpay for ibra.



it doesn't matter what would or wouldn't shock you or what you can imagine.

Messi is the best paid footballer.

You can either accept that, since it' reported everywhere, as is the fact Barca give him a raise practically every other year to keep him the best paid player.

Or you can, like free_cat, just make up some lower number just because you feel Barca is playing your players much much less, even if it makes no sense at all.

It's pretty embarrassing tbh.

rincon wrote:The pdf that free_cat posted actually has the wage bill at 247 million euros, which checks out with messi's 50 mill salary and the numbers from sport.es and forbes


Exactly.
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Post by S Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:37 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:You can either accept that, since it' reported everywhere, as is the fact Barca give him a raise practically every other year to keep him the best paid player.

Yep.An underrated point.

Absolute rubbish assumption that Barca have a relatively 'low' wage bill.They have been amongst the teams with the largest wage bills for yrs.
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Post by futbol Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:49 pm

Messi is earning somewhere around € 20M net, that is common knowledge. Of course not gross.

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Post by Doc Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:52 pm

I've seen threads that really had no business reaching 4 pages, and this is no different. Really was not sure what the Feline was doing nor did I fully get Donuts point either. The former even wrote "roasted". Sigh. Old man Bill starting to sound quite right honestly.

Anyway, Barcelona can afford to double Messi's wages (which I doubt they'll would) though I must ask why...
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:05 pm

What's up, Doc?

Did you quit smoking too, or why you so grumpy?
Almost as grumpy as I am Laughing

Anyway, this was not a thread but posts in the transfer rumour thread that got spliced out.
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:10 pm

Either way, four pages on this is ridiculous Laughing
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:22 pm

We wouldn't have talked about it for four pages if free_cat hadn't stubbornly insisted that it was IMPOSSIBLE that Messi gets 20+m net wages and insisted it's before taxes.

So don't blame anyone else but him.
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Post by Myesyats Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:27 pm

Valkyrja wrote:40 million a year after tax is ridiculous. An individual who kicks a freaking ball no way should earn that much

He's entertaining so many people week in week out hes gotta be earning a lot. People turning on there TVs every weekend to see him kick that ball guarantee him that.
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:28 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:We wouldn't have talked about it for four pages if free_cat hadn't stubbornly insisted that it was IMPOSSIBLE that Messi gets 20+m net wages and insisted it's before taxes.

So don't blame anyone else but him.


Never said I was lol, I agree
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Post by Doc Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:08 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:What's up, Doc?

Did you quit smoking too, or why you so grumpy?
Almost as grumpy as I am Laughing

Anyway, this was not a thread but posts in the transfer rumour thread that got spliced out.

You find so? I find I'm pretty normal. Just annoyed that I made myself read 4 pages of the Feline burying his head in the sand. Before he decided to apply cement on it.

It really didn't make any sense at all.
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Post by Pedram Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:56 pm

Doc wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:What's up, Doc?

Did you quit smoking too, or why you so grumpy?
Almost as grumpy as I am Laughing

Anyway, this was not a thread but posts in the transfer rumour thread that got spliced out.

You find so? I find I'm pretty normal. Just annoyed that I made myself read 4 pages of the Feline burying his head in the sand. Before he decided to apply cement on it.

It really didn't make any sense at all.

Dunno i found this 4 pages pretty interesting, reading delusional statements from our resident cule fans.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:22 am

It is impossible for Messi to earn 40m.
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Post by Cruijf Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:43 am

Why?
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Post by free_cat Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:38 am

Cruijf wrote:Free, Forbes puts Messi's gross salary at $51.8m, which comes out to 47.68 million euros.

http://www.forbes.com/profile/lionel-messi/

So I think S and Hans win this one.

I see, but I don't think that's possible as pointed out.
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Post by free_cat Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:42 am

rincon wrote:Sport.es gives a breakdown of barca's and madrid's net salaries (in spanish but easy enough to understand)

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/cuanto-cobran-los-jugadores-barcelona-real-madrid-4605836

messi at 21 net hmm


In reality, nowhere it says the word net in that list.
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Post by free_cat Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:48 am

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Donuts wrote:
Curtinho wrote:I think Messi earning less than Ronaldo and Ibra is believable, yes.

this, if anything it wouldn't shock me if Ronaldo demanded to be paid more than messi. real madrid after all have this whole ronaldo is the best campaign going on with the upper staff lol where even if they don't believe it they have to make him believe it

and PSG has infinite money of course they can overpay for ibra.



it doesn't matter what would or wouldn't shock you or what you can imagine.

Messi is the best paid footballer.

You can either accept that, since it' reported everywhere, as is the fact Barca give him a raise practically every other year to keep him the best paid player.

Or you can, like free_cat, just make up some lower number just because you feel Barca is playing your players much much less, even if it makes no sense at all.

It's pretty embarrassing tbh.

rincon wrote:The pdf that free_cat posted actually has the wage bill at 247 million euros, which checks out with messi's 50 mill salary and the numbers from sport.es and forbes


Exactly.


Make up numbers that appear in Barça's accounts?

247 milion is counting bonuses and other expenses (player's command important expenses in species: houses, plane tickets, cars, etc.). I don't know if this other expenses include image payments too.

Hans said that bonuses are not bonuses, which is ridiculous... if you look at 2013/2014 salaries, they were 70 milion less, which kinda matches the 80 milion in bonuses... so it tells that most of those 80 milion (being generous, at least half of them) is for winning titles. A fix expense of 178 milion doesn't allow for Messi earning 56 milion, Neymar and Suarez 30+, and have 22 more footballers and 20 coaches more.
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Post by rincon Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:02 am

free_cat wrote:
rincon wrote:Sport.es gives a breakdown of barca's and madrid's net salaries (in spanish but easy enough to understand)

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/cuanto-cobran-los-jugadores-barcelona-real-madrid-4605836

messi at 21 net hmm


In reality, nowhere it says the word net in that list.


Read the source linked right there on that list, it says net. Not that its definitive, but just use some common sense.

Mundodeportivo running the same story
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20151021/202329465295/todos-los-salarios-de-barca-y-madrid-segun-sportyou.html

"La masa salarial total asciende a 248,91 millones de euros brutos, lo que significan 114,5 millones netos. Siempre según esta información, Messi es el líder con diferencia con 21,2 ‘kilos’ limpios por delante de Neymar y Luis Suárez, ambos con 10."


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Post by free_cat Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:06 am

rincon wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rincon wrote:Sport.es gives a breakdown of barca's and madrid's net salaries (in spanish but easy enough to understand)

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/cuanto-cobran-los-jugadores-barcelona-real-madrid-4605836

messi at 21 net hmm


In reality, nowhere it says the word net in that list.


Read the source linked right there on that list, it says net. Not that its definitive, but just use some common sense.


Clicking the link to sportyou? it goes to a slideshow where nowhere it says the salaries are net.
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Post by rincon Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:10 am

Read the edit I just did, anyway Imsure you know how to do some research.

Think of what you are arguing if it was gross. Are you saying that Neymar and Suarez make less than some Serie A players? that Iniesta makes less than several Juve players and that De Rossi makes more than anyone at Barca except Messi?
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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:12 am

free_cat

FFS

When are you going to come to your senses?

Are you really trying to argue Alves, Busquets, Pique get 5-6m BEFORE taxes?
Are you trying to argue Kroos gets 25% less at Real than if he had taken Bayerns first offer?

Again, wtf is wrong with you. Just take a breather and stop digging.

'Work as a tax advisor' ffs :facepalm:
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Post by free_cat Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:13 am

rincon wrote:Read the edit I just did, anyway Imsure you know how to do some research.

Think of what you are arguing if it was gross. Are you saying that Neymar and Suarez make less than some Serie A players? that Iniesta makes less than several Juve players and that De Rossi makes more than anyone at Barca except Messi?

Lol, no, I'm not arguing that. I'm also arguing that the reported amounts Cristiano, Ibra, etc. make are mostly gross.
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