Re: Transfer Rumours V6

by windkick Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:11 pm

The Franchise wrote:
windkick wrote:I'm not for signing 30 year old players, and there is a reason why we let Nolito go in the first place. I'm not on the Nolito wagon (not saying you said it was me).

There is no long term thinking at the club, I don't get it. Deulofeu or Adama could of been so helpful right now. Munir looks like he is better suited to play more of a central type of role (as a second striker perhaps), than as a winger.

I agree with you. Munir cannot play on the wing yet, because he cant handle the physical side of the game yet.

We havent developed him well, because he went from Barca's Juvenile teams and to the first team and has really skipped the B team. He dominated with the youth champs league Barca team because he was playing against other 17 years who dont push him around. But he barely played B team games and never got to play against grown men. So now he comes to play for the first team on the flank and all the stuff he did before isnt working and now he wants the ball less and less.

He gets the ball and tries to come inside, he may even get half a step on a defender...but once said 30 year old leftback puts an arm on him to impede him, Munir doesnt have the physical capability to shrug it off, he gets unbalanced and it ruins the final ball he does. All this just sucks his confidence and then when he is free, he is missing or making the wrong decision because he dont have confidence.

Well said. Honestly I think we would of been better suited loaning out Munir and keeping one of Deulofeu/Adama this season. Seeing as Sandro looks more comfortable playing the striker role and Deulofeu/Adama could of been left as the wing back ups. Munir could of gone out for a season and develop; for example what I've seen of Sporting Gijon they are really molding Halilovic into a nice little package. The same could of been done with Munir if we sent him there as well.

by The Franchise Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:19 pm

Sandro seems better built physically, so I think he can do better right now.

I agree about loaning out Munir, but this would be if Barca were really thinking critically about the development of players. I dont believe Hailovic was loaned to be developed, I think he was loaned because we could no longer make him play in the B team but didnt want to use him with the first team. Therefore send him on loan to our old player Abelardo. If we was offered a reasonable fee with a buy back clause, I wouldnt be shocked if he was simply sold.

I at least see the rationale for not keeping Deulofeu. He is an individualist kind of player and unless they are performing miracles, coaches dont want to deal with them. But Adama is simply puzzling...its hard to sell me on the idea that he good enough to the point of never giving him a try, meanwhile Gambau is being trotted out.

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:26 am

I can see the rationale with not keeping Deulofeu, but I can't see the rationale with him having a good season at Everton, calling him back, deciding the last week we want him to be loaned out to Sevilla (where he barely plays in the 2nd half of the season) only to be then loaned to Everton again. We didn't do right by him either.

by free_cat Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:32 am

Signing Nolito, which is what will happen in december, is plain stupid. Is the same kind of signing as Turan, but dumber, because he was ours and we let him go for free. And when we let him go, he was basically as good as he is now.

Now we are going to pay a hefty sum for him (I guess around 20 milion), for a player who is good but won't start for us (like Turan) and who realistically only has 3 more years at top level as a striker, before he starts losing his quicknes.

Can't be more displeased with lucho's signings since this season.

by Lucifer Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:14 pm

Still waiting for us to sign a descent cb though Neutral

by windkick Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:52 pm

free_cat wrote:Signing Nolito, which is what will happen in december, is plain stupid. Is the same kind of signing as Turan, but dumber, because he was ours and we let him go for free. And when we let him go, he was basically as good as he is now.

Now we are going to pay a hefty sum for him (I guess around 20 milion), for a player who is good but won't start for us (like Turan) and who realistically only has 3 more years at top level as a striker, before he starts losing his quicknes.

Can't be more displeased with lucho's signings since this season.

Agreed. I don't understand the rationality of the clubs thinking with the signings. Lucho has said he prefers "La Liga experienced players", but that's gambling that the old guys you sign will only be top for a year or 2 and then your out trying to sign another guy. Also there are plenty of great top players outside of La Liga, why not even consider them? Baffling

by Donuts Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:53 pm

there are some positives to signing older players though.
one being it gives youngsters a chance to still thrive with the team, turan wont get rafina/halilovic sold.
and nolito wont kick out both munir/sandro.

by windkick Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:16 am

I dont know. I mean look at Mathieu. He was pretty ok last season, this season he's already regressed. We spent 30M on him. Had we spent that on a youngster with high potential for a similar fee, he would of been improving this season, not regressing.

by Donuts Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:35 am

can't really say he regressed though he's barely played a CB game.
the waiting game isn't always a bad idea.
for example rumors are marquinhos might be upset at PSG (not that i believe them but lets say it's true)
had we spent 30m on some other talent we'd probably miss out on marquinhos + pretty much ensure that bartra gets sold.
never know who'll come around next transfer window who wants to leave etc.

by Lucifer Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:28 am

Also we have to think of iniesta heir. He is not getting younger anymore. We ought to have someone on bench who will make that transition smooth jst lyk rakitic did with xavi

by Myesyats Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:53 pm

Pirloisjesus wrote:Also we have to think of iniesta heir. He is not getting younger anymore. We ought to have someone on bench who will make that transition smooth jst lyk rakitic did with xavi

Pogba is already agreed with Barca. Trust me, I'm a close friend of his and I hang out in his environment.

Also we can get Denis Suarez back.

by windkick Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:56 pm

Would yall want Denis Suarez or Halilovic back? I think Halilovic has a higher upside from what I've seen

by Myesyats Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:05 pm

Yea I'd definitely want Halilovic back. Denis has been quite good with Sevilla as well. Would be fine for depth I guess

by The Franchise Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:16 pm

Halilovic is a real talent in my opinion. Needs to learn a couple of things if he wants to play in a 433 (playing the wing of a 4411 wont help that but whatever) but the boy is a ball carrier and creator. Try thinking about players who can really dribble the ball forward and create as a midfielder (not a 10) and its a pretty short list. He obviously has been a 10 but he is young and has gained some midfield experience.

Coutinho is fine player who I like, but he certainly would have to learn alot to play in the midfield. Some get it (Deco) and some dont (Cesc) so its always a risk.

by windkick Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:38 pm

According to Sport, Inter is considering sending Montoya back in January because he isn't good enough.

lol Smile

by Myesyats Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:41 pm

lol gtfo

by Lucifer Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:46 pm

by Donuts Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:07 am

The Franchise wrote:Halilovic is a real talent in my opinion. Needs to learn a couple of things if he wants to play in a 433 (playing the wing of a 4411 wont help that but whatever) but the boy is a ball carrier and creator. Try thinking about players who can really dribble the ball forward and create as a midfielder (not a 10) and its a pretty short list. He obviously has been a 10 but he is young and has gained some midfield experience.

He'd be a great messi substitute but i find it hard to see the two playing together, from the looks in videos he thrives in the right side, moves centrally.
would have to see if he can play more like iniesta on the left side of the field.

by free_cat Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:26 am

I'm not convinced by Halilovic. And obviously, can't think of him as a Messi substitute at all.

by Lucifer Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:34 am

Barcelona reportedly shortlist four targets for next transfer window
1. Shkodran Mustafi (Valencia)
2. Ilkay Gündogan (Borussia Dortmund)
3. Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool)
4.Nolito (Celta Vigo)

by Myesyats Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:09 pm

Pirloisjesus wrote:Barcelona reportedly shortlist four targets for next transfer window
1. Shkodran Mustafi (Valencia)
2. Ilkay Gündogan (Borussia Dortmund)
3. Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool)
4.Nolito (Celta Vigo)

Not bad.

by Donuts Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:16 am

free_cat wrote:I'm not convinced by Halilovic. And obviously, can't think of him as a Messi substitute at all.

why is that?
certainly he is the only player so far in our ranks who show more creativity and dribbling that simulate messi.. or atleast compared to munir and sandro. (whom i think are better replacements to suarez)

by The Franchise Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:05 pm

What is the point of Mustafi? To sit behind Mascherano just as Mathieu/Bartra already do?

by Myesyats Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:15 pm

Mustafi is legit. He's not a 30 y-old scrub like Mathieu or like the forever young Bartra.

He'd kick Masch out of the squad, especially in this form.

by Lucifer Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:21 pm

we need gud cb more than anything atm

by The Franchise Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:39 pm

linetty wrote:Mustafi is legit. He's not a 30 y-old scrub like Mathieu or like the forever young Bartra.

He'd kick Masch out of the squad, especially in this form.

Nah he wouldnt.

Mustafi is a fine player but Mascherano is a former NT captain, an experienced winner at many levels and Messi's friend..to bench him, you need to be clearly better than him in more ways than just a defender.

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