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Post by Doc Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:34 am

Benzema shines with or without Ronaldo. It's the amount of times he shines that always seems to be story of his life at Real Madrid. I reckon Chad would tell you how much times, he seems to be have vast knowledge about that billy goat.

Speaking of which, Real Madrid is in an interesting position with Ronaldo. Unlike Nick wonderfully formed sarcasm, Cristiano is NOT detrimental to Real Madrid. He does, however, pose one of the most bizarre tactical conundrums I have seen.

For all his attacking brilliance, he is not the smartest player (duh) and he shoe horns the side into being a bit predictable. But at the same time, he scores goals, lots of them. I know we are now all on that statistics stuff but 20 shots and 2 goals would always read "he scored 2 goals" and as much as I would like it to be different, Ronaldo is a far superior forward to anything we have (including the French Billy Goat). But as seen today (and other times when CR isn't around) the team plays with more "freedom", so to speak.

With the emergence of Jese and the surprising intelligence of Bale, if ever there were a time I would say sell Ronaldo, it would be now. We would lose a lot but we also gain quite a bit. Thus putting RM in an interesting position as I'm pretty certain, Carlo, Perez and all those backroom staff peeps see what we all are seeing.

Back to Benzema, he had a fine match today but as always, when I really need him to show his form, I generally don't see this sort of performance.

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Post by Adit Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:17 am

Benzema did good this game but he needs to step up in big games..almost all the big games this season he has flopped.
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Post by M99 Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:16 am

Gil changed the title again Laughing

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Post by sportsczy Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:40 am

I think people need to differentiate consistency with and without CR7.

With CR7, Benz gets 2-4 chances a game. So it's feast or famine regarding how he plays that game. If he's able to take advantage of the few chances he gets, he looks great. If he doesn't, he looks poor. To me, there aren't enough opportunities to rate him truly one way or the other... it's just kneejerk reaction.

Without CR7, he becomes a focus of the attack and gets more chances. He'll get targeted for final balls 6-10 times a game and, thus, has a lot more opportunity to show himself. There's enough work product to definitively rate his performance one way or the other.

There's also the mental factor of knowing that you will be focused on as opposed to being a glorified role player...
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Post by Vibe Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:43 am

Here's a stat for you sports..Giroud is just five goals away from being the 3rd joint goalscorer in EPL.
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Post by Lex Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:45 am

Five goals = 20 games for our Giroud

Needs to either be more clinical in every game, or start stat padding vs scrubs.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:02 am

Here's a better stat for you. Top scorers for Madrid in CY 2014 so far:
- Benz - 7 goals
- Jese - 5 goals
- CR7 - 5 goals
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:42 pm

sportsczy wrote:Here's a better stat for you. Top scorers for Madrid in CY 2014 so far:
- Benz - 7 goals
- Jese - 5 goals
- CR7 - 5 goals

now compare minutes played Proud Jese :bow:
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Post by sportsczy Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:01 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Here's a better stat for you.  Top scorers for Madrid in CY 2014 so far:
-  Benz - 7 goals
-  Jese - 5 goals
-  CR7 - 5 goals

now compare minutes played :proud:Jese :bow:

Jese:  575 minutes played (5 starts and 4 subs), 5 goals = goal every 115 mins

Benz:  739 minutes played (9 starts), 7 goals = goal every 105,5 mins
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:28 pm

That second goal against villarreal really saved his arse there. His numbers would have too embarrassing to reveal then Laughing

Anyways I don't know what we are proving tbh *shrugs shoulders*

Benz had a good game. he has some issues with consistency. If its related to Ronaldo I don't know but I did notice him charging in to the box whenever Bale had the ball. Maybe he plays differently when ronaldo is around to stay relevant in the game
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Post by sportsczy Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:42 pm

why would they be too embarrassing?  he'd still lead the club in goals in 2014 with 6 and his goal per mins played would be 123.  If you take one goal away from Jese, his would jump to 144.  I don't understand taking a goal from a player anyhow... since neither take freekicks or PKs.  The stats are what they are.

As many do, you're just looking for reasons to discredit him because the facts don't prove out your assumptions...

He has 17 goals for the season (all from open play) and is on pace to get 30+ for the season.

and btw, this consistency thing is a myth too.  In 2014, he's started 9 games and scored at least a goal in 6 of them.  If you listen to Carlo's postgame comments after last night, he explained that, depending on the game, he uses Benz as a goalscorer or a creative player... depends who we're playing.  Last night he played him as a 9.  I think with CR7 out, that will continue in La Liga for the next 2 games.  With CR7, he switches in and out of being a CF depending on what CR is doing.  It's not the easiest thing in the world to find "consistency" when your role is not 100% clear...
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:55 pm

problem with benz is that he musters 3 good games in a row followed by 7 bad ones. I don't need to look at his scoring record to judge his contribution. Just like with Cesc his stats are grossly misleading. I am not trying to discredit anyone because I don't need to. I tell it like it is. For me the most important thing is real madrid can you say the same about yourself??

The whole Benz excuse bucket is getting overfilled with petty explanations. Everybody have been shifting roles all the time but the thing with them is that they quickly learn their new roles and get on with it. if they have a bad game you don't see anyone mentioning every little excuse under the sun to try and justify their bad performances.

Jeses goal against Atleti perfectly demonstrated the type of guy that benzema is. Slow reacting, standing still, reluctant to make a forward run, blocking everyone's path. God forbid there will actually be a day when benz will be the go to guy.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:39 pm

lol HM2.... hate on Higuain fan, hate on. Madrid fans at the Bernabeu love him again and that's all that matters. The hate from a handful of GL fans means very little.
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Post by farfan Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:32 pm

lol at the title change .

spineless footix is spineless.
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Post by chad4401 Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:38 pm

I swear how hala and the like exaggerate what benzema does on the pitch, you swear he was sitting besides dIsco magic and u21 goat morata on the bench or something Laughing
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Post by Mamad Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:02 pm

His 2nd goal tonight  :bow: 
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Post by farfan Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:04 pm

dat CL consistency  Molenation 
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Post by Highburied Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:08 pm

Dat Beard!

Benzema is still in 2nd or 3rd category of WC strikers.
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Post by chad4401 Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:27 pm

Highburied wrote:Dat Beard!

Benzema is still in 2nd or 3rd category of WC strikers.

so if he scored 30+ is that good enough to put him in a tier 1 or still tier 2  hmm 
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Post by Onyx Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:30 pm

Benzema is definitely tier 1 when on form. He's just underrated because Ronaldo always outshines him by scoring way more goals than him.

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Post by Highburied Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:39 pm

Benzema is in the same category as Mandzukic, Lewandowski (Lewa is better), Balotelli, Tevez etc.

Higher category includes, Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP, Sturridge, etc.
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Post by Mamad Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:40 pm

If an on form Benzema isn't world class then nobody is.
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Post by farfan Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:41 pm

Highburied wrote:Benzema is in the same category as Mandzukic, Lewandowski (Lewa is better), Balotelli, Tevez etc.

Higher category includes, Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP, Sturridge,  etc.

sturridge ? a first tier world class striker? and over tevez ? m'kay..........
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Post by Highburied Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:44 pm

farfan wrote:
Highburied wrote:Benzema is in the same category as Mandzukic, Lewandowski (Lewa is better), Balotelli, Tevez etc.

Higher category includes, Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP, Sturridge,  etc.

sturridge ? a first tier world class striker? and over tevez ? m'kay..........

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Post by farfan Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:46 pm

Highburied wrote:
farfan wrote:
Highburied wrote:Benzema is in the same category as Mandzukic, Lewandowski (Lewa is better), Balotelli, Tevez etc.

Higher category includes, Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP, Sturridge,  etc.

sturridge ? a first tier world class striker? and over tevez ? m'kay..........

Very Happy




some liverpool fans actually believe what you just posted  bounce 
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Post by Highburied Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:53 pm

Dont tease them..

Let them enjoy the good days.

Cheers to LFC fans!!



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