Buffon is past it

Beckenbauer already called it as it is a few months ago tbh.

futbol wrote:Beckenbauer already called it as it is a few months ago tbh.

der Kaiser wrote:He told the Gazzetta dello Sport: "Alaba shot from 120 metres out and made Buffon look like a pensioner. There's no need for him to get upset but he should be catching that shot.

"Maybe he didn't think that Alaba would kick it from there."

So where did he "call" for his retirement aside from his criticism of one goal?

Or should we also forget how often anything in Deutsche is taken out of context including Becks' rephrasing

Arquitescu wrote:

futbol wrote:Beckenbauer already called it as it is a few months ago tbh.

der Kaiser wrote:He told the Gazzetta dello Sport: "Alaba shot from 120 metres out and made Buffon look like a pensioner. There's no need for him to get upset but he should be catching that shot.

"Maybe he didn't think that Alaba would kick it from there."

So where did he "call" for his retirement aside from his criticism of one goal?

Or should we also forget how often anything in Deutsche is taken out of context including Becks' rephrasing

He didn't call for his retirement but he actually called him a "retiree". I don't need translations, I speak German. And he actually attributed BOTH goals as Buffon errors, not just the Alaba one.

futbol wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:

futbol wrote:Beckenbauer already called it as it is a few months ago tbh.

der Kaiser wrote:He told the Gazzetta dello Sport: "Alaba shot from 120 metres out and made Buffon look like a pensioner. There's no need for him to get upset but he should be catching that shot.

"Maybe he didn't think that Alaba would kick it from there."

So where did he "call" for his retirement aside from his criticism of one goal?

Or should we also forget how often anything in Deutsche is taken out of context including Becks' rephrasing

He didn't call for his retirement but he actually called him a "retiree". I don't need translations, I speak German.

der Kaiser wrote:Beckenbauer hatte als TV-Experte bei Sky über das 1:0 gesagt: „Alaba zieht aus gefühlt 120 Metern ab, Buffon sieht da aus wie ein Rentner.“ Auch beim zweiten Tor sah die Juve-Legende schlecht aus, ließ einen Schuss von Luiz Gustavo nach vorne prallen.

Jetzt nimmt Beckenbauer seine bösen Worte zurück: „, wenn Buffon sich durch das Wort Rentner beleidigt fühlt. Das wollte ich nicht. Aber in der Sache bleibe ich dabei: Buffon hätte das 1:0 und auch das 2:0, wo er den Ball abklatschen will, halten müssen“, sagte er zur „Bild“-Zeitung.

Your Deutsch must be either rusty or out of context.


http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/championsleague/kaiser-nach-rentner-spruch-beckenbauer-entschuldigt-sich-bei-buffon_aid_954779.html

You have highlighted the wrong part. This is the important one:

Buffon hätte das 1:0 und auch das 2:0, wo er den Ball abklatschen will, halten müssen“, sagte er zur „Bild“-Zeitung.

Translation: "Buffon should have saved both the 1-0 and 2-0, where he lets the ball rebound", he told BILD newspaper.

Most people are trolling but if you honestly believe that he should retire and his confed cup form is an indication to how he plays in the other 40odd games every year then you should consider stopping watching football all together.

Maybe flinging yourself over a cliff whilst you're at it.

futbol wrote:You have highlighted the wrong part. This is the important one:

Buffon hätte das 1:0 und auch das 2:0, wo er den Ball abklatschen will, halten müssen“, sagte er zur „Bild“-Zeitung.

Translation: "Buffon should have saved both the 1-0 and 2-0, where he lets the ball rebound", he told BILD newspaper.

And what does that have to do with calling him to retire or any other major criticism. Rentner isn't as nearly as offensive as it is within English. Beckenbauer had to play his comments down twice since Deutsche is usually if not always taken out of context.

Becks is the same who called him undisputed after Conte's first Scudetto.

"Rentner" is quite offensive tbh. In Germany you go into "Rente" when you are 67 (or if you are disabled or something like that). He basically called Buffoon a 67 year old. Or a cripple.

futbol wrote:He didn't call for his retirement but he actually called him a "retiree". I don't need translations, I speak German. :proud:And he actually attributed BOTH goals as Buffon errors, not just the Alaba one.

Not quite correct. The phrasing was "Das war Altherrenmanier von ihm" - meaning "this looked as if he was acting like an elderly man". There was nothing about retiree or so. I could try to dig out my post where I translated the full statement, if you like. ^^

@Arqui
Beckenbauer was originally talking at Sky as pundit, and I used the text from Sky. Looks like the Focus was paraphrasing the statement somewhat. And quotes from BILD can't really be taken serious in any case - they usually twist stuff in the way that elicits the biggest reaction.

No matter what he said, the fact is he more or less retracted his statement. He had a small dig at Buffon for letting that 30second goal.


Replays showed the insane deflection that happened anyway, it skimmed off of Vidals boot and changed the spin on the ball. One of those things where you have to put your hands up and say "It happens"

Buffon's had a poor (By his Standards) few games. Big deal. What person doesn't have a small window of bad games?

Unless he continues this trend half-way into next season, this retirement talk is just purely to try and get a stupid reaction out of people.

rwo power wrote:

futbol wrote:He didn't call for his retirement but he actually called him a "retiree". I don't need translations, I speak German. :proud:And he actually attributed BOTH goals as Buffon errors, not just the Alaba one.

Not quite correct. The phrasing was "Das war Altherrenmanier von ihm" - meaning "this looked as if he was acting like an elderly man". There was nothing about retiree or so. I could try to dig out my post where I translated the full statement, if you like. ^^

@Arqui
Beckenbauer was talking at Sky, and I used the text from Sky btw. Looks like the Focus was paraphrasing the statement somewhat.

Apologies as I hardly use Focus for Deutsch news as Speigel.de is my most frequent for news in Deutsch. My original point was to explain how out of context German can be taken out of, despite his seeming solid grasp on the language.

@Father: I don't even think he has been bad as half the goals have come from the stupidity of the backline calling offside while leaving Buffon in the mist. Others where his back-line haven't followed instructions. Yes, by his standards we expect a lot more, but not as bad as he it has been criticized for here.

So. I actually found the full quote and my translation. Here you go:

Buffon's gaffes did not stay hidden from Franz Beckenbauer. The pundit complained at Sky about the performance of the 35-year old [keeper] in the break. That was around 120 metres - please don't be upset with me, but he should have saved that. That was old men's [football] by him. Normally he is an outstanding goalkeeper and I expect that he can play on for some more years, but something like this must not happen to him. 35 metres and the trajectory of the ball was only minimally changed by the deflection", the Kaiser judged.

Buffons Fehlgriffe blieben auch Franz Beckenbauer nicht verborgen. Der TV-Experte mokierte sich in der Halbzeitpause bei "Sky" über die Leistung des 35-Jährigen. "Das waren ja ungefähr 120 Meter – also seid mir nicht bös’, den muss er halten, das war ja Altherrenmanier von ihm. Er ist ja eigentlich ein hervorragender Torwart, und ich traue ihm schon zu, dass er noch ein paar Jahre weiterspielt. Aber das darf ihm nicht passieren – 35 Meter und der Ball verändert trotz des Abfälschens seine Flugbahn kaum", urteilte der Kaiser.

Knee-jerk Legacy

doubt he is even better than storari...who never gets to play because Buffoon has too much political power within Juventus

WTF am I reading in this thread...serisouly..WTF

I'll bump this thread so hard next summer.

Andrew_p wrote:WTF am I reading in this thread...serisouly..WTF

I'll bump this thread so hard next summer.

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if he is in a retirement home by then

His positioning and command of area is as good as ever..! but i genuinely think his reflex and shot stopping level has been very sub par..must be due to age.

I don't understand how you can say Messi and Ronaldo and other top talents around the world flop in the NT but you see Buffon have bad one game for Italy and want him to retire....

Buffon is still arguably Italy's best keeper. Only Sirigu comes close.

ynwa wrote:I don't understand how you can say Messi and Ronaldo and other top talents around the world flop in the NT but you see Buffon have bad one game for Italy and want him to retire....

Buffon is still arguably Italy's best keeper. Only Sirigu comes close.

Marchetti?

Looks like I got some warning levels to knock down.

In all fairness though...Buffon parried Marcelo's shot right to Fred for that final Brazil goal....keepers with far less pedigree do that. Not really expected from a keeper of Gigi's caliber. He must take partial responsibility at least for that goal imo.

Let's be honest though....Brazil molested Italy's backline all night long....that was the real poor performance.

youguys talk so much crap. Buffon needing to retire, LOL....

GL knee jerk thread at its finest

Gil are you honestly this stupid

Andrew_p wrote:WTF am I reading in this thread...serisouly..WTF

I'll bump this thread so hard next summer.

Should've bumped it in the summer of 2010.. couldn't even get out the group stage!!! finishing in dead last...

What about your drubbing in the EURO Cup to Spain in the finals.. cmon man.

Double post

Arquitescu wrote:@Catracho
Funny cause Buffon did not play a single game in 2010 WC. Even if he did then that l

That says a lot about how good Buffon actually is if he couldn't get time in that 2010 squad m80.