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Post by McAgger Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:24 pm

ranDOM 10 wrote:I just finished watching Into the Wild and I absolutely loved it.
Thumbs up Very good movie indeed

Saw Captain Phillips yesterday. Brilliant. Tom Hanks acting at the end was extraordinary. (9/10)

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Post by Guest Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:58 pm

I think your advice was spot on when telling me to watch the movie at night.

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I still felt the sadness as I slept/this morning - I think it all hit home when they showed the picture of Christopher. I will definitely be watching the movie again because of all the awesome quotes and the characters Alex (Christopher) met along his journey. I was particularly fond of Rainey and Jan (the hippy couple) and felt sadness because they would never see Chris again Sad

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Post by McAgger Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:08 pm

Yeah I think as sad as the movie was, you don't feel the effects until you see the photo at end of the real Chris and then the sadness dawns on you.

Happiness only real when shared Sad Beautiful that, and a great quote to live by.
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Post by Guest Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:13 pm

As for my cousin saying I remind him of the main character, I definitely saw a resemblance. I don't think I would do something as extreme as what Chris did, however I understand his logic/reasoning. I too find that (most) humans are not kind to one another - anyway, I'll save my rant for a more appropriate thread.

McAgger: we will definitely have to keep in touch more. Feel free to send over movie/book/music recommendations as they come to you organically Very Happy


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Post by Arquitecto Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:23 pm

Into the Wild:
Into the Wild was an extraordinary movie as it penned Sean Penn into a future director of excellence, given his superb debut within this film. Hirsch performed very well as MCandless while the star was Holbrooke as the old man, especially in his final moments with Chris.

The whole point of the film was on how stupid Chris' decision was to venture into the Alaskan wild, in which he had no chance of surviving in given his limited knowledge outside a botanical book and some very naive skillsets of advice. It represented his hiatus out of pure rebellion and circumstantial from his home life, dying for nothing.

Nevertheless, a beautiful film.


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Post by Guest Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:37 pm

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I disagree with your notion, Arq. If you research the actual Christopher you will find that he had more knowledge than what we were led to believe in the film. Also, I read that food is hard to come by in Alaska; while Chris knew how to hunt food, he was not prepared for the difficulties of Alaska. There is also confusion as to the actual cause of death...

That was the plot in the movie (probably to add drama and pathos) but in fact the real Chris McCandless did not eat anything poisonous. He had more wilderness experience than is evident from the film, too. However, he seriously miscalculated how difficult it is (and was then) to survive by killing game in that part of Alaska. As one of the trappers interviewed in the "Call of the Wild" documentary about McCandless said, "This is hungry country -- there ain't much to eat out there."

What he did manage to kill and eat was mostly lean protein (birds, squirrels, etc.), which are low in fat and carbohydrates -- the "Atkins diet." This speeds up weight loss even more than restricting calories -- and McCandless also didn't have enough calories.

He did not originally plan to spend a long time in the bush -- he was planning to be back in South Dakota before the end of August. When his plan to cross the river where he originally came in was thwarted, we don't know why he didn't take one of the other routes open to him, which he knew about from his earlier explorations and from the map he had with him (yes, he did have a map).

His note on the outside of the bus said that he was injured -- how? Why didn't he trek out before it was too late? He did want to live, that was clear, although towards the end he became reconciled to his fate.

McCandless had done a lot of wilderness camping and solo adventuring from childhood onwards, but always in less severe conditions than what he found in Alaska. Ironically, it may have been the bus that did him in -- had he been forced to depend on his makeshift tent and sleeping bag, he would have headed back to Healy well before he became too weak to walk around. As it was, the comfort of the bus lulled him into a false sense of security.
Anyway, it seems most people (from what I read on IMDB) thought Chris was ignorant/selfish...I actually felt the exact opposite.

Perhaps I portrayed the film differently because I can relate to the main character. It seems a lot of people haven't bothered to step out of their shoes and see life from the perspective of Chris (or anyone who struggles to live in our current society).

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Post by Arquitecto Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:47 pm

Dom::
Solid points, Dom. Yet the premise remains based on Christopher's nurture, to which wasn't built to withstand the harsh Alaskan territories as if you are not nurtured or trained within such conditions, your knowledge will not translate directly onto your first venture, without the experience needed to transcend.

The scene where he kills the moose, while equipped with the knowledge given to him on the recent stage, he did not possess the experience or guidance of a 3rd party to have him experience the finer depths in how to gut, preserve and cure the moose for survival.

I admire his tenacity to venture into the wilderness and take it on by the balls, yet his reasoning is quite reactive, given he chooses to live in solitude, rather than creating existence and actually producing something within his life. Though the coverage you provided on his notion to return dispels that.

You and I would both agree, such an action to venture into the oblivious wild is one that we both would want to do, whether alone or together. I know how much you would want to experience to challenge Christopher did.
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Post by Freeza Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:53 pm

Just watched Prisoners Shocked What a movie ffs, one of the two best movies this year so far, the other one being Gravity.
The performances were amazing, Jake Gyllenhaal, Hugh Jackman, Paul Dano Proud
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Post by McAgger Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:32 pm

So in the past month I've checked out

12 Years a Slave - 7.5/10
Captain Phillips - 9/10
Prisoners - 8.5/10
Gravity - 9/10

And some older ones

Into the Wild - which is a tough one to rate but I'd give it a 8/10
The Inbetweeners Movie - if you loved the show it's a must watch
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Post by RealGunner Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:33 pm

Off to watch Thor 2 this week Proud

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Post by RedOranje Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:36 pm

Not seen a movie in theaters since mid-August due to spending the semester abroad... going through withdrawals.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:44 pm

@RedOranje wrote:Not seen a movie in theaters since mid-August due to spending the semester abroad... going through withdrawals.
You have to watch a movie in England man! skip a class Razz
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:50 am

Watched The Conjuring last night, I haven't been so on edge watching a movie in a long time.
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Post by ronalessi Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:06 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Watched The Conjuring last night, I haven't been so on edge watching a movie in a long time.
Is it very scary?
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Post by El Gunner Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:35 pm

The Conjuring wasn't so scary imo...

Btw, Captain Phillips sounds exactly like this other Danish thriller I watched earlier this year, A Hijacking.
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Post by CBarca Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:51 am

Into The WIld:
I thought McCandless was pretty selfish. I watched the movie more than 3 years ago so I'm fuzzy on the details, but his lack of writing to his family, letting him know where he was, what he was up to...I thought was quite selfish. Maybe not the journey itself, but the complete lack of empathy for his family was what gets me to say that he was indeed selfish at least in part. I know I would be very upset if one of my brothers did the same, and then next thing I know, they're dead. Of course, let me know if I'm wrong or your opinion differs. While I like to offer an opinion, I must acknowledge that it must be taken with a grain of salt as I have only seen it once and quite a while ago.

As for rating. Great movie. I loved it. 8.5/10, maybe even a 9.
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:53 am

"We Bought A Zoo"

such a heartwarming photo. One to watch with family/girlfriend.

The little kid Rosie is adorable, and Matt Damon and Scarlett both play very well.

8/10 for me.

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Post by McAgger Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:09 am

Natalie Portman wrote:"We Bought A Zoo"

such a heartwarming photo. One to watch with family/girlfriend.

The little kid Rosie is adorable, and Matt Damon and Scarlett both play very well.

8/10 for me.
"You know, sometimes all you need is 20 seconds of insane courage, just literally 20 of embarrassing bravery, and I promise you something great will come of it." :wub:

I won't lie this movie teared me up
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:26 am

@CBarca wrote:
Into The WIld:
I thought McCandless was pretty selfish. I watched the movie more than 3 years ago so I'm fuzzy on the details, but his lack of writing to his family, letting him know where he was, what he was up to...I thought was quite selfish. Maybe not the journey itself, but the complete lack of empathy for his family was what gets me to say that he was indeed selfish at least in part. I know I would be very upset if one of my brothers did the same, and then next thing I know, they're dead. Of course, let me know if I'm wrong or your opinion differs. While I like to offer an opinion, I must acknowledge that it must be taken with a grain of salt as I have only seen it once and quite a while ago.

As for rating. Great movie. I loved it. 8.5/10, maybe even a 9.
INTO THE WILD:
My thoughts exactly. We can attempt to empathize with the circumstances that led to him follow through with such a drastic action, yet in the end he fails to understand the pain he causes his parents and sister. It is a thought more of a child rather than an independent university student, who surely must comprehend that he is essentially nothing, if he produces nothing and existing merely to exist rather than create existence. The man is portrayed very intelligent yet his emotional incidents further lead him into a wilderness of nativity. I thoroughly attempt to empathize due to how likeable he is along with sheer admiration for the courage of his odyssey yet in the end, it is difficult to given the pain he indirectly struck to the ones who loved him.
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Post by CBarca Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:48 am

Arquitescu wrote:
@CBarca wrote:
Into The WIld:
I thought McCandless was pretty selfish. I watched the movie more than 3 years ago so I'm fuzzy on the details, but his lack of writing to his family, letting him know where he was, what he was up to...I thought was quite selfish. Maybe not the journey itself, but the complete lack of empathy for his family was what gets me to say that he was indeed selfish at least in part. I know I would be very upset if one of my brothers did the same, and then next thing I know, they're dead. Of course, let me know if I'm wrong or your opinion differs. While I like to offer an opinion, I must acknowledge that it must be taken with a grain of salt as I have only seen it once and quite a while ago.

As for rating. Great movie. I loved it. 8.5/10, maybe even a 9.
INTO THE WILD:
My thoughts exactly. We can attempt to empathize with the circumstances that led to him follow through with such a drastic action, yet in the end he fails to understand the pain he causes his parents and sister. It is a thought more of a child rather than an independent university student, who surely must comprehend that he is essentially nothing, if he produces nothing and existing merely to exist rather than create existence. The man is portrayed very intelligent yet his emotional incidents further lead him into a wilderness of nativity. I thoroughly attempt to empathize due to how likeable he is along with sheer admiration for the courage of his odyssey yet in the end, it is difficult to given the pain he indirectly struck to the ones who loved him.
Into the WIld:
Agreed completely. However much I may love the romantic aspect of going out in the wild and fending for yourself, it is something I could never personally do. I respect him and certainly do sympathize with his reasons and journey, and agree it would take incredible bravery and courage. Yet despite all of this his reasons for his journey are intrinsically selfish- and I'm OK with that, for most of what we do is intrinsically selfish...couldn't one say that we give because of the good feeling we receive from it?- however what leads me to say he is selfish in negative connotation is as I said, his lack of empathy for his family.

Into the Wild is one of my favorite movies I've seen in the last half decade though, really strikes me in the same way Catcher In the Rye did. Similar characters with similar thoughts, and there are many parallels between the two stories.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:00 am

@CBarca wrote:
Arquitescu wrote:
@CBarca wrote:
Into The WIld:
I thought McCandless was pretty selfish. I watched the movie more than 3 years ago so I'm fuzzy on the details, but his lack of writing to his family, letting him know where he was, what he was up to...I thought was quite selfish. Maybe not the journey itself, but the complete lack of empathy for his family was what gets me to say that he was indeed selfish at least in part. I know I would be very upset if one of my brothers did the same, and then next thing I know, they're dead. Of course, let me know if I'm wrong or your opinion differs. While I like to offer an opinion, I must acknowledge that it must be taken with a grain of salt as I have only seen it once and quite a while ago.

As for rating. Great movie. I loved it. 8.5/10, maybe even a 9.
INTO THE WILD:
My thoughts exactly. We can attempt to empathize with the circumstances that led to him follow through with such a drastic action, yet in the end he fails to understand the pain he causes his parents and sister. It is a thought more of a child rather than an independent university student, who surely must comprehend that he is essentially nothing, if he produces nothing and existing merely to exist rather than create existence. The man is portrayed very intelligent yet his emotional incidents further lead him into a wilderness of nativity. I thoroughly attempt to empathize due to how likeable he is along with sheer admiration for the courage of his odyssey yet in the end, it is difficult to given the pain he indirectly struck to the ones who loved him.
Into the WIld:
Agreed completely. However much I may love the romantic aspect of going out in the wild and fending for yourself, it is something I could never personally do. I respect him and certainly do sympathize with his reasons and journey, and agree it would take incredible bravery and courage. Yet despite all of this his reasons for his journey are intrinsically selfish- and I'm OK with that, for most of what we do is intrinsically selfish...couldn't one say that we give because of the good feeling we receive from it?- however what leads me to say he is selfish in negative connotation is as I said, his lack of empathy for his family.

Into the Wild is one of my favorite movies I've seen in the last half decade though, really strikes me in the same way Catcher In the Rye did. Similar characters with similar thoughts, and there are many parallels between the two stories.

Into the Wild:
Wonderfully stated, CB. Your wisdom on display here is quite expansive. I disagree with his notion yet equally applaud his choice to follow through with his impulse, choosing to carry on with what few individuals who have the bravery to do so. As Dom stated, the circumstances that led him to carry on with such a drastic action is one that we cannot come to understand, despite the flaw it presents and what it inflicts onto others. Quite sad his adventure was a product of rebellion from his family, rather than a calculative journey, planned within the hearth of his thoughts.

As for the Cather in the Rye comparison, spot on yet again. Wonderful films, both of them. Soundtrack for Into the Wild deserves a mention, with Eddie Vedder providing soul stirring vocals.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:29 pm

@McAgger wrote:
Natalie Portman wrote:"We Bought A Zoo"

such a heartwarming photo. One to watch with family/girlfriend.

The little kid Rosie is adorable, and Matt Damon and Scarlett both play very well.

8/10 for me.
"You know, sometimes all you need is 20 seconds of insane courage, just literally 20 of embarrassing bravery, and I promise you something great will come of it." :wub:

I won't lie this movie teared me up
THAT absolutely struck me.

Agree lovely film. Thumbs up
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Post by El Gunner Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:30 pm

Gonna watch Into The Wild soon and get on in the spoiler tags Very Happy
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Post by CBarca Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:56 pm

Arquitescu wrote:
@CBarca wrote:
Arquitescu wrote:
INTO THE WILD:
My thoughts exactly. We can attempt to empathize with the circumstances that led to him follow through with such a drastic action, yet in the end he fails to understand the pain he causes his parents and sister. It is a thought more of a child rather than an independent university student, who surely must comprehend that he is essentially nothing, if he produces nothing and existing merely to exist rather than create existence. The man is portrayed very intelligent yet his emotional incidents further lead him into a wilderness of nativity. I thoroughly attempt to empathize due to how likeable he is along with sheer admiration for the courage of his odyssey yet in the end, it is difficult to given the pain he indirectly struck to the ones who loved him.
Into the WIld:
Agreed completely. However much I may love the romantic aspect of going out in the wild and fending for yourself, it is something I could never personally do. I respect him and certainly do sympathize with his reasons and journey, and agree it would take incredible bravery and courage. Yet despite all of this his reasons for his journey are intrinsically selfish- and I'm OK with that, for most of what we do is intrinsically selfish...couldn't one say that we give because of the good feeling we receive from it?- however what leads me to say he is selfish in negative connotation is as I said, his lack of empathy for his family.

Into the Wild is one of my favorite movies I've seen in the last half decade though, really strikes me in the same way Catcher In the Rye did. Similar characters with similar thoughts, and there are many parallels between the two stories.
Into the Wild:
Wonderfully stated, CB. Your wisdom on display here is quite expansive. I disagree with his notion yet equally applaud his choice to follow through with his impulse, choosing to carry on with what few individuals who have the bravery to do so. As Dom stated, the circumstances that led him to carry on with such a drastic action is one that we cannot come to understand, despite the flaw it presents and what it inflicts onto others. Quite sad his adventure was a product of rebellion from his family, rather than a calculative journey, planned within the hearth of his thoughts.

As for the Cather in the Rye comparison, spot on yet again. Wonderful films, both of them. Soundtrack for Into the Wild deserves a mention, with Eddie Vedder providing soul stirring vocals.
Well Catcher in the Rye hasn't been made into a film and hopefully never will be, but I agree otherwise Very Happy
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:12 pm

Sorry, as in both wonderful stories. Catcher in the Rye should not and CAN NOT be made into the a film given how the first person narratives would not be contrived into proper context or reach the depth that the book portrayed.
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Post by Motogp69 Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:47 pm

I always considered Igby Goes Down to be the closest we'll ever get to an actual Catcher in the Rye Movie.
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