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Re: Move over, Big Brother, NSA is doing it far more efficiently...
Goodbye innocent until proven guilty
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By the way, who thinks the alleged current terror threat comes very convenient to deflect from the NSA snooping?
And who else thinks that the "terrorists" will roll on the floor laughing that they now only need to call some colleagues to shut down half of the US properties abroad?
(And for Germany, France and the UK to follow suit)
And who else thinks that the "terrorists" will roll on the floor laughing that they now only need to call some colleagues to shut down half of the US properties abroad?
(And for Germany, France and the UK to follow suit)
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rwo power wrote:By the way, who thinks the alleged current terror threat comes very convenient to deflect from the NSA snooping?
And who else thinks that the "terrorists" will roll on the floor laughing that they now only need to call some colleagues to shut down half of the US properties abroad?
(And for Germany, France and the UK to follow suit)
I love how vague they were in saying there is "chatter" among Al Qaeda members. THERE IS ALWAYS CHATTER THEY ARE TERRORISTS
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okay now, I am going to sound like a proper dick but what i m about to say is 100% true
DID ANY ONE HERE BELIEVE THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENET WAS NOT SPYING ON ITS OWN?
DOES ANYONE BELIEVE THEIR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT DO ANY FORM OF SELF SPYING?
WHEN SNOWDEN WORKED FOR THE NSA DID HE BELIEVE HE WON'T SEE SOME SOUGHT OF "EXAGGERATED" SPYING FROM HIS COUNTRY WITH THE LARGEST MILITARY BUDGET IN THE WORLD?
The reaction from the world is proof that 90% of us don't follow any news but just likc ourselves from popular opinions on twitter...
The Human Brain is meant to be used, its as simple as that think, Snowden might be right morally but he is looking like an attention seeker, craving for it and now he has found it...
Anyone who thinks Russia does not even spy on its own is should nominate himself for Darwin Awards(SERIOUSLY, YOU MIGHT DO SOMETHING TO UR HEALTH SOON)
so let this shit die, cuz in 5 years, the Governments will still be spying on YOU.
DID ANY ONE HERE BELIEVE THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENET WAS NOT SPYING ON ITS OWN?
DOES ANYONE BELIEVE THEIR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT DO ANY FORM OF SELF SPYING?
WHEN SNOWDEN WORKED FOR THE NSA DID HE BELIEVE HE WON'T SEE SOME SOUGHT OF "EXAGGERATED" SPYING FROM HIS COUNTRY WITH THE LARGEST MILITARY BUDGET IN THE WORLD?
The reaction from the world is proof that 90% of us don't follow any news but just likc ourselves from popular opinions on twitter...
The Human Brain is meant to be used, its as simple as that think, Snowden might be right morally but he is looking like an attention seeker, craving for it and now he has found it...
Anyone who thinks Russia does not even spy on its own is should nominate himself for Darwin Awards(SERIOUSLY, YOU MIGHT DO SOMETHING TO UR HEALTH SOON)
so let this shit die, cuz in 5 years, the Governments will still be spying on YOU.
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Re: Move over, Big Brother, NSA is doing it far more efficiently...
Well, I think you missed the point - it wasn't the fact *that* they are spying, but the *extent* of it that is so outrageous.
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Sorry I think you're completely wrong. People are shocked that the government would break laws and a constitutional amendment. People want to trust their government and most do that's why it was shocking to some.
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juveman17 wrote:Sorry I think you're completely wrong. People are shocked that the government would break laws and a constitutional amendment. People want to trust their government and most do that's why it was shocking to some.
I am not mate.
The US government is the same government that has a 700 Billion defense budget but non of that goes into Health Care
they could do anything
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aleumdance wrote:juveman17 wrote:Sorry I think you're completely wrong. People are shocked that the government would break laws and a constitutional amendment. People want to trust their government and most do that's why it was shocking to some.
I am not mate.
The US government is the same government that has a 700 Billion defense budget but non of that goes into Health Care
they could do anything
I'm not saying your opinion im saying the general public. People expect the government to follow the rules and were shocked.
Re: Move over, Big Brother, NSA is doing it far more efficiently...
Of course they're spying on everyone, what pisses me off is that our government is acting like that's okay. They're supposed to protect us from filthy foreigners getting all up in our shit.
Why the hell do we even have our own intelligence agencies if they're just going to blabber everything to the Yanks?
Why the hell do we even have our own intelligence agencies if they're just going to blabber everything to the Yanks?
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What surprises me is that the Pirate Party doesn't manage to use this to their advantage. I mean, this is *their* topic, but somehow the uproar is rather limited.VivaStPauli wrote:Of course they're spying on everyone, what pisses me off is that our government is acting like that's okay. They're supposed to protect us from filthy foreigners getting all up in our shit.
Well, the NSA uses the British, German, French etc agencies' data to spy legally on their own people, the British / German / French etc guys in turn use the NSA data to spy legally on their own people. After all, it is just not legal for the intelligence agencies to directly spy on the domestic targets, but there is a hole in the law that doesn't prohibit them to get the data from elsewhere.VivaStPauli wrote:Why the hell do we even have our own intelligence agencies if they're just going to blabber everything to the Yanks?
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Unrelated question, why the hell so we still have troops and bases in Europe? We shouldn't be protecting Europe anymore it's not 1960 anymore
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Well, Germany is still in a good strategic position, I guess. Russia is sort of next door ^^juveman17 wrote:Unrelated question, why the hell so we still have troops and bases in Europe? We shouldn't be protecting Europe anymore it's not 1960 anymore
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Source: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/08/lavabit-email-shut-down-edward-snowdenLavabit email service abruptly shut down citing government interference
Founder of service reportedly used by Edward Snowden said he would not be complicit in 'crimes against the American people'
(c) Spencer Ackerman in Washington, 9 August 2013
The email service reportedly used by surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden abruptly shut down on Thursday after its owner cryptically announced his refusal to become "complicit in crimes against the American people."
Lavabit, an email service that boasted of its security features and claimed 350,000 customers, is no more, apparently after rejecting a court order for cooperation with the US government to participate in surveillance on its customers. It is the first such company known to have shuttered rather than comply with government surveillance.
"I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit," founder Ladar Levison wrote on the company's website, reported by Xeni Jardin the popular news site Boing Boing.
Levison said government-imposed restrictions prevented him from explaining what exactly led to his company's crisis point.
"I feel you deserve to know what's going on – the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this," Levison wrote. "Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests."
Privacy advocates called the move unprecedented. "I am unaware of any situation in which a service provider chose to shut down rather than comply with a court order they felt violated the Constitution," said Kurt Opsahl, a lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Silent Circle, another provider of secure online services, announced on Thursday night that it would scrap its own encrypted email offering, Silent Mail. In a blogpost the company said that although it had not received any government orders to hand over information, "the writing is on the wall".
Several technology companies that participate in the National Security Agency's surveillance dragnets have filed legal requests to lift the secrecy restrictions that prevent them from explaining to their customers precisely what it is that they provide to the powerful intelligence service – either wittingly or due to a court order. Yahoo has sued for the disclosure of some of those court orders.
The presiding judge of the secret court that issues such orders, known as the Fisa court, has indicated to the Justice Department that he expects declassification in the Yahoo case. The department agreed last week to a review that will last into September about the issues surrounding the release of that information.
There are few internet and telecommunications companies known to have refused compliance with the NSA for its bulk surveillance efforts, which the NSA and the Obama administration assert are vital to protect Americans. One of them is Qwest Communications, whose former CEO Joseph Nacchio – convicted of insider trading – alleged that the government rejected it for lucrative contracts after Qwest became a rare holdout for post-9/11 surveillance.
"Without the companies' participation," former NSA codebreaker William Binney recently told the Guardian, "it would reduce the collection capability of the NSA significantly."
Snowden was allegedly a Lavabit customer. A Lavabit email address believed to come from Snowden invited reporters to a press conference at Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport in mid-July.
While Levinson did not say much about the shuttering of his company – he notably did not refer to the NSA, for instance – he did say he intended to mount a legal challenge.
"We've already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals," Levinson wrote. "A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company."
He continued: "This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would strongly recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States."
Opsahl noted that the fact that Levinson was appealing a case before the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals indicated the government had a court order for Lavabit's data.
"It's taking a very bold stand, one that I'm sure will have financial ramifications," Opsahl said.
"There should be more transparency around this. There's probably no harm to the national security of the United States to have it publicly revealed what are the legal issues here," Opsahl continued.
The justice department said it had no comment to make. Representatives from the NSA, White House and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence did not immediately reply to a request for comment.
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That's a really bold thing to do I applaud him
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What a disgrace
Politician Obama on NSA and Snowden
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Now let me preface this by stating I'm not happy with the way the US government is acting.
That said, you really oughtn't listen to youtube channels so much. I've no idea why people are so ready to eat up stuff just because it's posted on youtube and the video looks like it has decent (or not even decent) production values.
That said, you really oughtn't listen to youtube channels so much. I've no idea why people are so ready to eat up stuff just because it's posted on youtube and the video looks like it has decent (or not even decent) production values.
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It's easier to find this instead of me flipping through different news sources to post. Just easier for me.RedOranje wrote:Now let me preface this by stating I'm not happy with the way the US government is acting.
That said, you really oughtn't listen to youtube channels so much. I've no idea why people are so ready to eat up stuff just because it's posted on youtube and the video looks like it has decent (or not even decent) production values.
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And btw The Young Turks are pretty solid on political news and provided a mainly unbiased source of news compared to other forms of media.
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By the way, things are getting nastier with the day. Now the UK (likely with complicity of the US) decided that the age old practice of kin reliability might be a cool idea to follow again.
When the partner of journalist Glenn Greenwald intended to travel from Germany to Brazil, he had to make a stop in the UK, where he was then put into detention for 9 hours under 'Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act' where he wasn't even allowed to contact a lawyer, while all of his electronic devices were confiscated.
You can read up the full story here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/19/detention-david-miranda-keith-vaz-glenn-greenwald
So now a person who is only involved by being the life-partner of a journalist gets detained under terror suspicion and his belongings confiscated. How was it - "if I do nothing wrong, I have nothing to fear from the authorities"? And by being friend of a journalist, what exactly did I do wrong?
When the partner of journalist Glenn Greenwald intended to travel from Germany to Brazil, he had to make a stop in the UK, where he was then put into detention for 9 hours under 'Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act' where he wasn't even allowed to contact a lawyer, while all of his electronic devices were confiscated.
You can read up the full story here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/19/detention-david-miranda-keith-vaz-glenn-greenwald
So now a person who is only involved by being the life-partner of a journalist gets detained under terror suspicion and his belongings confiscated. How was it - "if I do nothing wrong, I have nothing to fear from the authorities"? And by being friend of a journalist, what exactly did I do wrong?
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No *bleep* way. How the hell could they just detaine Glenn Greenwald? I often read some of his publications he is very anti-NSA and now I guess dissent against the government in ANY form of way is now Terrorism. *bleep* this
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They didn't detain Glenn Greenwald - it is actually more sinister as they detained his partner for no reason other than that he is his partner - that is, probably to intimidate Glenn Greenwald by harassing people close to him. This method was widely used by the Stasi to intimidate people, too. We have a term for it in German: "Sippenhaft", meaning that those belonging to the same family are thrown into prison or made liable for crimes done by other family members, too, even if they themselves are completely innocent.
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Yea just saw this. What a *bleep* joke. Disgrace.
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By the way, this report is very telling, too. It is about Laura Poitras, a photographer and documentary film maker, who also got into trouble with US authorities from the time on she started reporting on the Iraqi war:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?pagewanted=1&hp&_r=4&pagewanted=all&
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?pagewanted=1&hp&_r=4&pagewanted=all&
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Unbelievable. And to think we live in a free society anymore
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I guess the people who always asked "How could the Germans allow the Third Reich to happen with its totalitarian structures etc" should think twice now and watch what's happening around them right now.
You might want to read about this, just to see where certain things might be leading to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
(E.g. look at the Patriot Act and its effect on the US constitution and look at Article 2 in the above Enabling Act. The Article 4 looks treacherously like what the NSA is doing with its snooping around as it certainly ignored any contracts with other countries etc.)
You might want to read about this, just to see where certain things might be leading to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
(E.g. look at the Patriot Act and its effect on the US constitution and look at Article 2 in the above Enabling Act. The Article 4 looks treacherously like what the NSA is doing with its snooping around as it certainly ignored any contracts with other countries etc.)
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