Re: Cesc isn't happy

by LeSwagg James Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:21 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:It's a slightly deeper position. It's pretty much an attacking CM.

Alright man, whatever you say lol

by Onyx Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:28 pm

Swagg wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:It's a slightly deeper position. It's pretty much an attacking CM.

Alright man, whatever you say lol

Does sound a bit confusing. tongue

But it's basically

-------------DM/CM---DM/CM
-------------------ACM
----RW-------------------------------LW
----------------------CF

Whereas usually, an AM would play:

------------------DM/CM---DM/CM

------RW----------------AM-------------LW
-------------------------CF

by Kick Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:38 pm

They are The same thing Mtfootball, Laughing

As for Cesc, we have enough AM's thanks Gil. Would much rather buy someone like Cabaye for the same kind of money.

by the xcx Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:40 pm

ACM and AM are not same thing....Change ur formation MT.

by LeSwagg James Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:40 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:
Swagg wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:It's a slightly deeper position. It's pretty much an attacking CM.

Alright man, whatever you say lol

Does sound a bit confusing.

But it's basically

-------------DM/CM---DM/CM
-------------------ACM
----RW-------------------------------LW
----------------------CF

Whereas usually, an AM would play:

------------------DM/CM---DM/CM

------RW----------------AM-------------LW
-------------------------CF

by Clockwork Orange Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:42 pm

I have said it before to my friends, no player will develop their game in Barcelona. I will elaborate a bit more in later posts.

by Onyx Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:43 pm

Deep lying AM or a false 10. hmm

by Abramovich Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:58 pm

Gil wrote:Chelsea defeated Madrid in the super cup around 13 years ago.

That Chelsea side > Redondo, Raul, Morienties & co?

Wanking yourselves silly over a meaningless win in a glorified friendly basically proves just how crap of a League La Liga is at the moment. Sunny SPL.

I would be very surprised if he watched football then, or even knew of this result before today.

Nameless wrote:So he Cesc was a Goat at DL but when joined to a more organized and technial league like La Liga, he became a flop? I agree with that

Yeah man just like Forlan, Kanoute & Ronaldo etc :bow:

by Valkyrja Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:00 pm

He hasn't got the pace, skill, agility and dribbling to play AM(Iniesta, Ozil, Silva). He's more of a failed CM

by urbaNRoots Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:12 pm

Kizu wrote:He hasn't got the pace, skill, agility and dribbling to play AM(Iniesta, Ozil, Silva). He's more of a failed CM

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On topic:

Szczesny
Sagna Koscielny Vermaelen Gibbs
Arteta Wilshere
Cazorla Cesc Podolski
Giroud

Make it happen Wenger :bow:

It wont obviously happen but one can dream Sad

by Albiceleste Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:15 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:
Kizu wrote:He hasn't got the pace, skill, agility and dribbling to play AM(Iniesta, Ozil, Silva). He's more of a failed CM

by Babun Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:17 am

Albiceleste wrote:
urbaNRoots wrote:
Kizu wrote:He hasn't got the pace, skill, agility and dribbling to play AM(Iniesta, Ozil, Silva). He's more of a failed CM

Seriously, I bet Fabregas doesn't know his position himself anymore Laughing

He is closest to a misfiring SS right now eco smile

Yohan Modric wrote:Deep lying AM or a false 10.

False player, false transfer, defective DNA, deep lying in sh*t eco smile

Swagg wrote:How is a central attacking midfielder different from an ATTACKING MIDFIELDER lol

Watch Modric and Özil, there you have the difference eco smile

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:26 am

vivabarca38 wrote:Also Mole that "scrub league" is a league where Mata and Silva played in,and theyre by far the two best AMs in the league.That "scrub league" also had De Gea,the best young keeper in the PL right now.That "scrub league" had Michu,who is the joint top scorer in the PL right now.Fabregas,Reina,Arteta also came from that "scrub league".

Cesc isn't happy - Page 2 Cool-story-bro_211715

P.S Fabregas played in the PL before he did in Inferior Liga Laughing

Also Cabaye is crap deep, you might as well sign Fabregas if you want Cabaye for that and Modric is not an attacking midfielder.

by The Franchise Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:31 am

Can we pelase cut the scrubs league this, scrub league that bullshit please and thank you.

On topic, he will be a sub and like it or leave. He said himself, the position he has 3 better players playing in and even when the oldest of which retires, he still cant play because he doesnt have the abilities to play that role.

He has been playing poor and thats on him, he has to turn it around. He came to a great team, you cant be surprised that if you dont play up to standard then you dont play.

I think people are talking about he cant do this and that and he cant play role X, Y and Z. But thats tough...learn and adapt. If you dont, you leave, just as Ibra did, just as Hleb did and so on and so forth. He keeps talking about what kind of player he is and what he does...well what kind of player he is isnt working so perhaps you should realise you need to learn something else.

Song isnt a holding midfielder, but he comes in and doesnt make a fuss, he played his role and didnt go wandering about. We will see how long it lasts, but he showed a level of discipline Cesc could learn.

by Le Samourai Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:34 am

Go ahead Buy him .

I think well all welcome you guys buying yet another attacking midfielder, not like it makes a difference.

And Barca fans hate him anyway.

Buying Ronaldo would be for my own personal satisfaction.He would maime the PL with all those AMs behind him but at the end of the day I couldnt really care less .

by FalcaoPunch Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:35 am

Must be about the money :coffee:

No seriously. He left Arsenal.
He was their captain and a starter who competed regularly at alongside and against the best players in the world both in Champions League and the Premier League.

Sure he's at Barca. His "childhood" club. But at what cost.
Both coaches seem not to have faith in him. He came because well you know all of the players etc.

He had a good thing going at Arsenal. I don't wish him to be upset at Barca but I mean c'mon who didn't see this coming?

by The Franchise Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:44 am

Well to be fair he didnt really have a good thing going to Arsenal.

They didnt challange for titles and they didnt really have many players on his level to play with.

by Blue Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:46 am

GoonerJay29 wrote:Cesc's best position, for the last few years, has been one where he is allowed the freedom to roam and make runs beyond the forward. He's the sort of player who wants to do everything - drop deep to receive a pass, be in a position to play the final ball and be in a position to score. For a player like that, he needs to have the system tailored to him. That's how it was at Arsenal.

At Barcelona, he has to adapt to the system. They already have Xavi for someone to drop deep and receive the ball. They already have Messi to score goals and play final passes. He hasn't the pace or the dribbling ability to play in either wide position or in Iniesta's position. There just doesn't seem to be a position for him in Barcelona's set-up and his form has suffered as a result.

For Cesc to work at Barcelona, he either has to play where Messi plays, which is impossible, play behind an actual centre forward, which is also impossible, or groom himself to play where Xavi plays, which is possible but will take time and he'd probably would never be able to do what Xavi does, anyway.

+1

by VendettaRed07 Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:47 am

ColoJunior wrote:Must be about the money

No seriously. He left Arsenal.
He was their captain and a starter who competed regularly at alongside and against the best players in the world both in Champions League and the Premier League.

Sure he's at Barca. His "childhood" club. But at what cost.
Both coaches seem not to have faith in him. He came because well you know all of the players etc.

He had a good thing going at Arsenal. I don't wish him to be upset at Barca but I mean c'mon who didn't see this coming?

Well it is easier to assess situations when you are looking at them from the outside rather than when you are living in them. We all go through struggles and learn things about our selves in the process that other people could have told us a long time ago, but some people, most in fact never truly learn something until they experience and learn the lesson themselves.

The grass is always greener on the otherside. Im sure to Cesc after struggles at Arsenal, Barca must have looked like paradise, but now Im sure he knows, nowhere is perfect.

He thought he was going home but as he knows now home isn't where you come from it is where you are raised. Arsenal is his real home

Come home Cesc Sad

by FalcaoPunch Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:54 am

The Franchise wrote:Well to be fair he didnt really have a good thing going to Arsenal.

They didnt challange for titles and they didnt really have many players on his level to play with.

You have a good point. And I mean with any professional in this sport (at least a majority) is to be able to win titles. And having that drought sure didn't help in maybe convincing him to stay.

He's at Barca where I guess you could say he always wanted to be. But now what?

by Sri Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:26 am

ColoJunior wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Well to be fair he didnt really have a good thing going to Arsenal.

They didnt challange for titles and they didnt really have many players on his level to play with.

You have a good point. And I mean with any professional in this sport (at least a majority) is to be able to win titles. And having that drought sure didn't help in maybe convincing him to stay.

He's at Barca where I guess you could say he always wanted to be. But now what?

One question. If you are a passionate footballer who loves the game and to play more than anything else, would you put playing as your first priority or would youd be happy with spending the prime of your career playing a bit part role from the bench while the guys on the pitch win you trophies? There is no simple answer to that question. Think about it.

by FalcaoPunch Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:37 am

Depends on the type of player tbh
So we have to see how long this plays out with cesc and we'll find out.

Either he'll stick to it or he'll move. (which I doubt)

by gondov Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:43 am

Cesc just needs to chill and work hard to develop his game. He is 25 and needs to realize that he can always evolve, its not the end of the world!! I think he is getting enough playing time anyway so he shouldnt be complaining about that.

Pique and Pedro were in the same situation last season, they were benched, and acknowledged their poor form but tried to work hard to resolve it. There was no going to the media and sending some indirect messages. Unlike cesc, these are players who have been key in our past glories but they sucked it up. In thiago and rafinha, barca have very good replacements if cesc decides to leave anyway.

On the other hand some fans in the Camp Nou whistled at cesc. WTF?

Fans have become too spoilt. If 1 or 2 key players are sidelined for lengthy periods, cesc will come to our rescue and then we'll all realise his true worth.

Patience :coffee:

by Raptorgunner Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:59 am

Cesc come home, the whole world knows you have no Barcelona DNA. We need Cesc to lead the new Gunner Army.

by Sri Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:22 am

Raptorgunner wrote:Cesc come home, the whole world knows you have no Barcelona DNA. We need Cesc to lead the new Gunner Army.

Actually, I think we are actually playing better without him. Now its more about a team than it was under him. And no way I want him to be captain again. Judas showed how poor a captain Cesc really was.

That said, I would not say no to Cesc coming back to Arsenal one bit. As long as he is a player, not as the captain.

by Raptorgunner Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:37 am

srigooner wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:Cesc come home, the whole world knows you have no Barcelona DNA. We need Cesc to lead the new Gunner Army.

Actually, I think we are actually playing better without him. Now its more about a team than it was under him. And no way I want him to be captain again. Judas showed how poor a captain Cesc really was.

That said, I would not say no to Cesc coming back to Arsenal one bit. As long as he is a player, not as the captain.

No way Wenger or Cesc would take back the arm band, i want him to lead us with Vermaelen as Captian. :bow:

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