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Post by Guest Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:02 am

I truly believe the FIGC should do something about allowing more youth players to play...

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Post by M99 Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:07 am

And apologies in advance for continuing the off topicness of this thread, but in my opinion Spain were very lucky to lift the World Cup. They scraped by a ten man Chilie (whose player was wrongly red carded in the first place), scraped through Portugal and could have been eliminated by Paraguay if they had not had a goal wrongly disallowed for offside. Spain in the World Cup was very boring to watch quite contrary to the Luis Aragones led Spain of Euro 2008 who played some really attractive football.
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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:15 am

Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.
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Post by M99 Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:49 am

Giancarlo wrote:Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.

Ym, Torres pulled his hamstring whie running and fell into the ground, the referee thought the Chilie player tackled him and so gave a red card. And keeping possession does not always mean domination. For example, Inter vs Barca at the San Siro 3-1. Barca had more possession but Inter was the better team by far. In the Portugal mtach, Portugal also had their fair share of chances, same with Germany.
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:33 am

Yes let's keep blaming Sciacca for off topic sections :coffee:

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Post by dostoevsky Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:52 am

milanista99 wrote:If FIGC wants La Nazionale to benefit, they need to implement something like 6+5 or at least something similar to it. This rule only disallows non European players, there are no restrictions about French, German, Spanish, Portugese, Russian or any other European players or even South American, Asians or African players as long as they have an EU passport.. Even with this rule, Inter managed to walk in the Champions League Final with zero Italians on the starting line up. This rule has stopped many quality players on joining Serie A and making the league stronger, for example Edin Dzeko wanted to join Juventus over Man City he said so numerous times. But due to Juve buying Krasic, they couldn't get Dzeko.

Certainly, there still remain far too many loopholes in the system to truly encourage the use of Italian players and certainly youngsters. Milan aren't any more likely to purchase Poli due to this rule, even if they can't acquire Vidal. Instead Asamoah, Kucka or Hamsik might be thrown about as possible names. If a 6+5 rule or a regulation concerning the use of players available to the U-21 side were introduced then we'd almost certainly see Milan going out of their way to bid for him, and not simply that, in competition against the likes of Inter, Roma and Juventus.

I still believe in the long term it might lead to more Italian players, however actually creating rules which affect the use of Italians on the pitch combined with more flexible transfer rules will have greater success than reducing non-EU spots whilst no incentives to use Italians in the starting eleven exist. The former option encourages and to a degree enforces a culture of development and trust, whilst also maintaining the flow of quality into the league.
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:03 pm

Giancarlo wrote:Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.

Was that a joke?
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:38 pm

ACMRox wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.

Was that a joke?

In his terms and context, I don't think so.

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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:11 pm

milanista99 wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.

Ym, Torres pulled his hamstring whie running and fell into the ground, the referee thought the Chilie player tackled him and so gave a red card. And keeping possession does not always mean domination. For example, Inter vs Barca at the San Siro 3-1. Barca had more possession but Inter was the better team by far. In the Portugal mtach, Portugal also had their fair share of chances, same with Germany.

Spain still had the lionshare of chances and possession. Portugal and Germany didn't have a fair share of chances, they were given a complete run-around in the match. Especially Germany who played a very poor match. Lets face reality, Spain should have won these matches by more than 1-0...
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:25 pm

Giancarlo wrote:
milanista99 wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.

Ym, Torres pulled his hamstring whie running and fell into the ground, the referee thought the Chilie player tackled him and so gave a red card. And keeping possession does not always mean domination. For example, Inter vs Barca at the San Siro 3-1. Barca had more possession but Inter was the better team by far. In the Portugal mtach, Portugal also had their fair share of chances, same with Germany.

Spain still had the lionshare of chances and possession. Portugal and Germany didn't have a fair share of chances, they were given a complete run-around in the match. Especially Germany who played a very poor match. Lets face reality, Spain should have won these matches by more than 1-0...

But they didn't... If you have 15 chances and only take 1, do you really deserve to win the WC?
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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:27 pm

ACMRox wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:
milanista99 wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.

Ym, Torres pulled his hamstring whie running and fell into the ground, the referee thought the Chilie player tackled him and so gave a red card. And keeping possession does not always mean domination. For example, Inter vs Barca at the San Siro 3-1. Barca had more possession but Inter was the better team by far. In the Portugal mtach, Portugal also had their fair share of chances, same with Germany.

Spain still had the lionshare of chances and possession. Portugal and Germany didn't have a fair share of chances, they were given a complete run-around in the match. Especially Germany who played a very poor match. Lets face reality, Spain should have won these matches by more than 1-0...

But they didn't... If you have 15 chances and only take 1, do you really deserve to win the WC?

They still won rightfully so and played well defensively too.

And Italy is famous for 1-0 wins but I don't see anyone complaining about that.
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:38 pm

Giancarlo wrote:
ACMRox wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:
milanista99 wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:Spain was not lucky, and they had many close shots that were blocked or simply didn't go in. Spain always had the upper hand in many matches... even when they were playing 4-4-2. As far as Chile, the red card was appropriate. And Portugal? That was domination. It should have been more than a 1-0 win, the same thing goes with Germany.

Spain was unlucky in the world cup not to have won by more than 1-0 in certain games.

Ym, Torres pulled his hamstring whie running and fell into the ground, the referee thought the Chilie player tackled him and so gave a red card. And keeping possession does not always mean domination. For example, Inter vs Barca at the San Siro 3-1. Barca had more possession but Inter was the better team by far. In the Portugal mtach, Portugal also had their fair share of chances, same with Germany.

Spain still had the lionshare of chances and possession. Portugal and Germany didn't have a fair share of chances, they were given a complete run-around in the match. Especially Germany who played a very poor match. Lets face reality, Spain should have won these matches by more than 1-0...

But they didn't... If you have 15 chances and only take 1, do you really deserve to win the WC?

They still won rightfully so and played well defensively too.

And Italy is famous for 1-0 wins but I don't see anyone complaining about that.

Well no one ever claimed italy played entertaining football.

And no Spain did not deserve the WC. they deserved to get to the final, but Holland would've beaten them there if Howard Webb knew how to ref.
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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:41 pm

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And no Spain did not deserve the WC. they deserved to get to the final, but Holland would've beaten them there if Howard Webb knew how to ref.

That's baloney. Spain did deserve to win the WC. If Howard knew how to ref, Holland would have been down a man early on after that karate kick and then they would have been in serious trouble. Spain could have took the lead several times (including just a few minutes in), and had the better chances. Holland only could pass to Robben. Holland only had two real chances... again, through Robben.

If the ball would have went into the net, Spain would have won that final by far more than 1-0.

I'm sorry but how anyone can bring up that final right now is beyond me. It was one sided. Simply put.
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:45 pm

Giancarlo wrote:
ACMRox wrote:

And no Spain did not deserve the WC. they deserved to get to the final, but Holland would've beaten them there if Howard Webb knew how to ref.

That's baloney. Spain did deserve to win the WC. If Howard knew how to ref, Holland would have been down a man early on after that karate kick and then they would have been in serious trouble. Spain could have took the lead several times, and had the better chances. Holland only could pass to Robben. Holland only had two real chances... again, through Robben.

If the ball would have went into the net, Spain would have won that final by far more than 1-0.

Lol are you serious? Holland had far more than 2 chances. As for the 2 you mentioned, both of those would've been goals had Puyol not rugby tackled Robben from behind. Let's not forget iniesta's intentional elbow to MvB's face. Spain should have been at least 2 men down by the end. de Jong's kick was not intentional., even the idiot webb could see that. the yellow card was the correct decision. Also when Spain finally did score, it was off a goal kick that was a clear corner.

Give me a break..
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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:47 pm

ACMRox wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:
ACMRox wrote:

And no Spain did not deserve the WC. they deserved to get to the final, but Holland would've beaten them there if Howard Webb knew how to ref.

That's baloney. Spain did deserve to win the WC. If Howard knew how to ref, Holland would have been down a man early on after that karate kick and then they would have been in serious trouble. Spain could have took the lead several times, and had the better chances. Holland only could pass to Robben. Holland only had two real chances... again, through Robben.

If the ball would have went into the net, Spain would have won that final by far more than 1-0.

Lol are you serious? Holland had far more than 2 chances. As for the 2 you mentioned, both of those would've been goals had Puyol not rugby tackled Robben from behind. Let's not forget iniesta's intentional elbow to MvB's face. Spain should have been at least 2 men down by the end. de Jong's kick was not intentional., even the idiot webb could see that. the yellow card was the correct decision. Also when Spain finally did score, it was off a goal kick that was a clear corner.

Give me a break..

That's total ridiculousness and falsehood. Did you even watch the final? Holland was the one engaging in the majority of the rough tackles, and several of their players should have been sent off. Lets not even talk about De Jong. Not intentional? That's total BS.

You give me a break. Holland didn't have more than 2 clear chances... you talk about Puyol, yet you can't look at reality... get a reality check. Spain could have won that match by several goals, and really should have. They could have been 1-0 up just 3 minutes in.

You give me a break!

How biased some people are here is ridiculous... how can you be this one sided? It looks horrible. By your own logic, Holland should have seen three red cards. And that karate kick not intentional? What planet are you on? Christ... an minor elbow to face is a red card, yet a karate kick in the chest where it could have cracked ribs isn't?

Spain should have been down by at least by 2 men? Under what parallel reality do you live in? Holland was the one that should have been down 2 men, not Spain.

And when Spain scored it was after that goal kick.

How you can even sit here and say any of this nonsense with a straight face is beyond me. It was a one sided match, Spain had the lionshare of possession and chances, and were brutalized by malicious tackles from Holland. If Web knew what he was doing, the game would have been over by the 90th minute... because Holland would have gone down earlier.


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Post by Cruijf Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:49 pm

Giancarlo wrote:
ACMRox wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:
ACMRox wrote:

And no Spain did not deserve the WC. they deserved to get to the final, but Holland would've beaten them there if Howard Webb knew how to ref.

That's baloney. Spain did deserve to win the WC. If Howard knew how to ref, Holland would have been down a man early on after that karate kick and then they would have been in serious trouble. Spain could have took the lead several times, and had the better chances. Holland only could pass to Robben. Holland only had two real chances... again, through Robben.

If the ball would have went into the net, Spain would have won that final by far more than 1-0.

Lol are you serious? Holland had far more than 2 chances. As for the 2 you mentioned, both of those would've been goals had Puyol not rugby tackled Robben from behind. Let's not forget iniesta's intentional elbow to MvB's face. Spain should have been at least 2 men down by the end. de Jong's kick was not intentional., even the idiot webb could see that. the yellow card was the correct decision. Also when Spain finally did score, it was off a goal kick that was a clear corner.

Give me a break..

That's total ridiculousness and falsehood. Did you even watch the final? Holland was the one engaging in the majority of the rough tackles, and several of their players should have been sent off. Lets not even talk about De Jong. Not intentional? That's total BS.

You give me a break. Holland didn't have more than 2 clear chances... you talk about Puyol, yet you can't look at reality... get a reality check. Spain could have won that match by several goals, and really should have. They could have been 1-0 up just 3 minutes in.

You give me a break!

How biased some people are here is ridiculous...

And you call me Biased? ROFLMAO.. Did you watch the final? Reality check? that's what you need to get.. Seriously... Talk sense or not at all.
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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:52 pm

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And you call me Biased? ROFLMAO.. Did you watch the final? Reality check? that's what you need to get.. Seriously... Talk sense or not at all.

I watched it far more clearly then you! DID YOU? I doubt it because you're only talking nonsense.

You stop talking.

How anyone in their right mind can bring up that ONE SIDED FINAL is beyond me. Spain should have won that by a much more clear margin. But then again you somehow twist things around say they were lucky? Give me a break.

Holland was one of the most dirty teams I've seen in a long time... the way they played was simply disgusting.


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Post by Vibe Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:52 pm

I must interrupt...

The game was played out exactly how van Marwijk imagined....Untill Robben's shot hit Casillas's leg.Holland was supposed to win it...Anyone who really watched the WC knows what I'm talking about.
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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:53 pm

VibeTribe wrote:I must interrupt...

The game was played out exactly how van Marwijk imagined....Untill Robben's shot hit Casillas's leg.Holland was supposed to win it...Anyone who really watched the WC knows what I'm talking about.

Holland was not supposed to win it. If anything that shot just a few minutes in by Spain should have gone in. I did watch the WC... some of you guys disgust me...

How you can say a disgusting team like that should have won is beyond me. They were nothing but a bunch of brutes, and they created little. A total disgrace to the Total Football team of the 1970s. Complete total disgrace.

I'm outraged. Simply outraged.
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:59 pm

Giancarlo wrote:
VibeTribe wrote:I must interrupt...

The game was played out exactly how van Marwijk imagined....Untill Robben's shot hit Casillas's leg.Holland was supposed to win it...Anyone who really watched the WC knows what I'm talking about.

Holland was not supposed to win it. If anything that shot just a few minutes in by Spain should have gone in. I did watch the WC... some of you guys disgust me...

How you can say a disgusting team like that should have won is beyond me. They were nothing but a bunch of brutes, and they created little. A total disgrace to the Total Football team of the 1970s. Complete total disgrace.

I'm outraged. Simply outraged.

Giancarlo,

1 question: If holland is dirty, what is spain?

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Post by Giancarlo Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:00 pm

Spain may have not been completely clean that match, but Holland was completely brutal and did not deserve to win.

How anyone can talk about that anti-football team in positive terms is beyond me.

Why are some here so one sided that they refuse to look at reality? Focus on minor things, while sugar coating the completely brutal things Holland did... in the final and getting to the final.

I'm off! I'm completely abhorred by the comments of some on here! Absolutely appalling and repugnant!
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:02 pm

Giancarlo wrote:Spain may have not been completely clean that match, but Holland was completely brutal and did not deserve to win.

How anyone can talk about that anti-football team in positive terms is beyond me.

Why are some here so one sided that they refuse to look at reality? Focus on minor things, while sugar coating the completely brutal things Holland did... in the final and getting to the final.

Ok that's it. I'm not posting in this topic again until order is restored. Anti-football? Come to reality Giancarlo. Winning the WC by being the lowest scoring team to win is not anti-football?
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Post by vu Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:13 pm

agree with gian there...

that holland side was an utter disgrace to its own football history.

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Post by IzzyC08 Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:15 pm

Personally I think it's ridiculous that you are both arguing both sides were dirty and diving everywhere it was a terrible final. Both teams gave it their all, but all the acting from both teams ruined it. Anyway what's done is done and Spain are the world champions, give it a rest fellas.
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:50 pm

IzzyC08 wrote:Personally I think it's ridiculous that you are both arguing both sides were dirty and diving everywhere it was a terrible final. Both teams gave it their all, but all the acting from both teams ruined it. Anyway what's done is done and Spain are the world champions, give it a rest fellas.

Personally I find it ridiculous that we always blame Sciacca for being off topic...

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Post by Brigate Rossonere Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:40 pm

Dirty =/= cheat.
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