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In 2001, total irrigated land in Maharashtra: 17.8%

Total expenditure on irrigation from 2001 to 2011: Rs 70,000 cr.

Now total land under irrigation in 2012: 17.9%

This is the legacy of people like Kamaraj and Nehru. This is what happens when the government of a huge country like India decided to do everything and not let the people of India take care of basic needs like irrigation by restricting privatization.

kiranr wrote:

Did you know that for-profit schools are not allowed in India? This is just one the countless restrictions placed on our society by our "benevolent, all-caring" government.

Seriously, if you do not understand or even know the policies running the country, then how will you even know the source of the "basic problems" ?

And i am not worth debating

Seriously where did u get this nonsense baseless info from? They are perfectly allowed but have to charge fees for different casues(like tuition fee, Structural fee ,etc)) not simply as school fee.Please know about the policies of the country properly and how its used before critizising others for that.


And please answer this question rather than skipping.

But Why would private start shcools in villages in where people dont have any money to pay?

If govt dont run schools in rural areas how do u think children from poor areas get education.

And i think this is the seventh time i am asking this.

eriously have u ever visited any backward villages in India by any chance?

Literacy rate in Tamil Nadu when Rajaji was forced to resign : 7%
Literacy rate in and the end of 10 year reaign of Kamaraj : 37%

This is what happens when a great visionary like Kamaraj runs the govt rather than a retard like Rajaji

kiranr wrote:In 2001, total irrigated land in Maharashtra: 17.8%

Total expenditure on irrigation from 2001 to 2011: Rs 70,000 cr.

Now total land under irrigation in 2012: 17.9%

This just shows the incompetency of Maharashtra Govt.

How exactly this explains the performance of PSU's?

kiranr wrote:Government schools

What makes them experts in providing education? What he should have done is allow people to start schools for profit. After that too, if people are not able to afford, then provide them withe scholarships.

I will tell you what the government did under Kamaraj. Restrict people to start factories and industries and improving productivity. Let the govt, who is obviously better than the people of India, start the factories and industries and not give the chance for the people of India to work for themselves. Instead they became dependent on the government to do things for them.

This sense of entitlement is so strong now in our country that people vote based on free stuff they can get and not based on the actual qualification of the leaders. Oh they are giving laptops? Let us vote for them. What the others are giving tvs and money? Let us vote for that party instead.

Those socialist policies that our country ran on after independence seriously messed up our country.

Goverment schools as you pointed out is not a complete liability . 50 % of current Indian population still doesnt care enough about teaching children and if it wasnt for free education given by our Goverment those poor people wouldnt even send their children to schools .

Besides that who will start schools in those poor villages of India? How can those people afford those high fee in those private schools?

Do you think all current private schools are not running for profit? all of them are earning a huge amount throw illegal donation and other such things.

You says give scholarship to those who cant afford. well,most of the children cant afford and will need a scholarship then why not start a Gov.School? i just dont see point of paying nonsense amount of fee that Private management decide for most of the children.

why pay those nonsense fee of Private schools ? its better start Goverment schools .

For-profit schools are not allowed in India. Only government schools and schools through charitable trusts are allowed in India. If a legitimate business man wants to open a school in any part of India, he will find it difficult to do it.

A private school's efficiency will be much higher as compared to the government school. Maybe, in the beginning the fees will be high. But when so many innovations are happening all over the world in various fields, there is no reason to not believe that an appropriate business model may not have evolved which even poor people could have afforded. For example, the telecom industry in India.

The government's job is provide broad policies as a structure for the people to within and to provide justice. They are not experts in providing education or mining coal or providing electricity or flying planes. This should be left to the hands of qualified individuals who have what it takes to be successful.

BeautifulGame wrote:Literacy rate in Tamil Nadu when Rajaji was forced to resign : 7%
Literacy rate in and the end of 10 year reaign of Kamaraj : 37%

This is what happens when a great visionary like Kamaraj runs the govt rather than a retard like Rajaji

He was in office for two years right?

BeautifulGame wrote:

kiranr wrote:In 2001, total irrigated land in Maharashtra: 17.8%

Total expenditure on irrigation from 2001 to 2011: Rs 70,000 cr.

Now total land under irrigation in 2012: 17.9%

This just shows the incompetency of Maharashtra Govt.

How exactly this explains the performance of PSU's?

It shows the flaw of the system that people like Nehru and Kamaraj left us. The government officials and PSU officials found that it is in their interest to keep the government spending for themselves rather than actually try to improve the state of agriculture in Maharshtra. You will find such gross inefficiencies all over India where the government is involved in providing a service. Sure, there will be a few good people who might be doing a good job, but that is not enough to excuse the excess wastage that our country has seen over the past 60 years.

They should have left this in the hands of the people. With more liberty and less socialist policies, we would have been 5 times the country we are today.

I come from a village myself. What am i supposed to be seeing in these backward villages?

Please you guys, understand the economics of a system and what provides incentives for people who work for profit to do the best for themselves which ultimately leads to it being the best for people using it.

Note the difference that the private sector has brought to the country and look at areas where the government is involved. I am not saying the government should completely become uninvolved, but there is a huge scope for freeing up the system while still taking care of the poorest of the poor.

kiranr wrote:
A private school's efficiency will be much higher as compared to the government school. Maybe, in the beginning the fees will be high. But when so many innovations are happening all over the world in various fields, there is no reason to not believe that an appropriate business model may not have evolved which even poor people could have afforded. For example, the telecom industry in India.

OECD study:
"Private schools: Who benefits?
• Students who attend private schools tend to perform significantly better in
the PISA assessments than students who attend public schools; but students in public schools in a similar socio-economic context as private schools tend to do equally well.
• Countries with a larger share of private schools do not perform better in PISA.
• Parents seeking the best educational opportunities for their children are willing to pay more to secure the better resources offered by private schools – even though similar resources may be available in public schools that serve advantaged student populations."
http://www.pisa.oecd.org/dataoecd/6/43/48482894.pdf

kiranr wrote:
For-profit schools are not allowed in India. Only government schools and schools through charitable trusts are allowed in India. If a legitimate business man wants to open a school in any part of India, he will find it difficult to do it.

A private school's efficiency will be much higher as compared to the government school. Maybe, in the beginning the fees will be high. But when so many innovations are happening all over the world in various fields, there is no reason to not believe that an appropriate business model may not have evolved which even poor people could have afforded. For example, the telecom industry in India.

So now we have to wait till the Private schools evolve for the poor to get educated.Till the all the poor people form rural areas should be left uneducated as they cant afford private schools.Seriously

And a stat most people arent aware of usually.In the last 6 years 57% of engineers graduated from South India took educational loans from Govt banks.These people have been given loans(Clean loan) without any security either.

If not for Govt sector even the IT companies wont have survived.

And if u really think people arent allowed to start schools for benifit u are seriously misinformed.

BeautifulGame wrote:

So now we have to wait till the Private schools evolve for the poor to get educated.Till the all the poor people form rural areas should be left uneducated as they cant afford private schools.Seriously

And a stat most people arent aware of usually.In the last 6 years 57% of engineers graduated from South India took educational loans from Govt banks.These people have been given loans(Clean loan) without any security either.

If not for Govt sector even the IT companies wont have survived.

And if u really think people arent allowed to start schools for benifit u are seriously misinformed.

That is not even what i said. There are many ways in which the government can encourage private sector participation in education and then step in to provide help for those that are left out. Legitimate business men and corporate houses still don't have ways to enter the education industry.

Really man, you are seriously misinformed about the benefits of free trade. You are blaming the private corporations for not doing anything to uplift the poor and praising the government for making efforts. You don't seem to understand that if the government does not provide adequate incentives, then people will not work to this end. The best way the government can provide incentives is by engaging the private sector.

Don't you feel if the government encouraged private sector to flourish in all fields in India and free trade with the world outside was encouraged, then the employment opportunities in India will increase manifold and hence poor people will have many more opportunities than right now? The government can then step in and work for the upliftment of the people who are still in poverty. It would be so much more efficient than the process the government follows now.

I request you again to think about the economic benefits of freeing up our country. Think of the first-order, second-order and third-order benefits that will accrue. Read about the policies that are being followed now and how it gives no benefits to the people who are in poverty. Please understand how the policies followed by people like Nehru and his successors have kept 40% of our population still under poverty line.

Please read the following and tell me the highlighted part is not what is happening in India.

We stand for the protection of the individual citizen against the increasing trespasses of the State. Our proposed policies are an answer to the challenge of the so-called Socialism of the Indian Congress party. It is founded on the conviction that social justice and welfare can be attained through the fostering of individual interest and individual enterprise in all fields better than through State ownership and Government control. It is based on the truth that bureaucratic management leads to loss of incentive and waste of resources. When the State trespasses beyond what is legitimately within its province, it just hands over the management from those who are interested in frugal and efficient management to bureaucracy which is untrained and uninterested except in its own survival.

Look at nations that are successful now and look at how easy it is for people to pursue their profession there. Look at how freedom came about in those countries in the past. Please understand how this freedom made their nations extremely wealthy.

Hoping Hollande can turn things around, Sarkozy was, like many leaders, a crook