Worst CL season

Seppuku wrote:

The Franchise wrote:National football is way below club football, its not even close.

Well, run a hypothetical simulation. Put the teams of the most recent WC or Euro's head-to-head against the most recent CL teams. Place them in random fixtures, assign three board members with a valued opinion to see which teams hypothetically would come out on top in a match. Then count which of the two tournaments have the more winning teams.

I think that would about settle the argument.

jibers wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Teams taking a drubblign doesnt mean the entire level is lower...how can you not see past that.

Maybe teams didnt get beat up so bad because they were so defensive...and they were so defensive because they couldnt attack fluently..and they couldnt attack fluenty because....THEY ARENT GOOD TEAMS.

Look at WC 2010, the level was poor. Minus Chile, Spain, Germany....im already struggling to name more...the rest didnt even attack.

Spain won and they were terrible, scrapping 1-0's...poor level, because the players are tired plus it was basically Barca minus Messi...and this was the best team by a mile.

And before you even go on, comparing competitions 4 years ago and more to this current CL is quite silly.

National football is way below club football, its not even close.

In the WC, the Ivory Coast had the 3rd best passing accuracy...A midfield of Tiote, Yaya and Zokara were the 3rd best passing team....really.....

This is BS. How were Spain poor? Did you see the teams they were facing? All the teams they played just parked the bus. And saying that Spain are Barcelona without Messi is laughable. They use the same principles such as off the ball movement to create space but the application is different. Plus NT football is too negative. It wasn't poor, that is just the way it is atm. Plus it didn't help that they used that stupid Jabulani ball.

Seppuku wrote:Yah its a joke never mind, I mean B.Leverkusen is surely better than Germany NT. Silly me they see each other everyday and all.

Seppuku wrote:

The Franchise wrote:National football is way below club football, its not even close.

Well, run a hypothetical simulation. Put the teams of the most recent WC or Euro's head-to-head against the most recent CL teams. Place them in random fixtures, assign three board members with a valued opinion to see which teams hypothetically would come out on top in a match. Then count which of the two tournaments have the more winning teams.

I think that would about settle the argument.

The Franchise wrote:

jibers wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Teams taking a drubblign doesnt mean the entire level is lower...how can you not see past that.

Maybe teams didnt get beat up so bad because they were so defensive...and they were so defensive because they couldnt attack fluently..and they couldnt attack fluenty because....THEY ARENT GOOD TEAMS.

Look at WC 2010, the level was poor. Minus Chile, Spain, Germany....im already struggling to name more...the rest didnt even attack.

Spain won and they were terrible, scrapping 1-0's...poor level, because the players are tired plus it was basically Barca minus Messi...and this was the best team by a mile.

And before you even go on, comparing competitions 4 years ago and more to this current CL is quite silly.

National football is way below club football, its not even close.

In the WC, the Ivory Coast had the 3rd best passing accuracy...A midfield of Tiote, Yaya and Zokara were the 3rd best passing team....really.....

This is BS. How were Spain poor? Did you see the teams they were facing? All the teams they played just parked the bus. And saying that Spain are Barcelona without Messi is laughable. They use the same principles such as off the ball movement to create space but the application is different. Plus NT football is too negative. It wasn't poor, that is just the way it is atm. Plus it didn't help that they used that stupid Jabulani ball.

Teams park the bus all the time vs Barca, they dont scrap all their games 0-0.

That was the best team in the WC..compare them to the best team in Club football, the difference is huge.

I said they are BASICALLY tired Barca with Messi...they obviosly are not exactly the same, that doesnt even need to be said..but they have the same core.

NT football isnt negative because "thats just the way it is", there are reasons...tied to the rest of my post.

jibers wrote:Seriously dude, how can you compare the German NT to the 3rd best team in the German League?

The Franchise wrote:

Seppuku wrote:

The Franchise wrote:National football is way below club football, its not even close.

Well, run a hypothetical simulation. Put the teams of the most recent WC or Euro's head-to-head against the most recent CL teams. Place them in random fixtures, assign three board members with a valued opinion to see which teams hypothetically would come out on top in a match. Then count which of the two tournaments have the more winning teams.

I think that would about settle the argument.

How would one go about that?

Ask members on this forum their opinion? Is that what your getting at?

Idrisozet wrote:So its worst cpl Because English Teams got rolled all over, lets Not forget Basel Kicked United ans Neverkusen Kicked Chelsea. Bayern and Barcelona just possess a very Strong attack which is better for The competition.

jibers wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:So its worst cpl Because English Teams got rolled all over, lets Not forget Basel Kicked United ans Neverkusen Kicked Chelsea. Bayern and Barcelona just a very Strong attack which is better for The competition.

This has nothing to do with English teams. I thnk club football in EUrope has dropped in every level bar Spain. The EPL is suffering, the best team in Germany isn't in the cl, too many topteams are in the beginning of changing cycles atm, allowing the rest of these nobodys to take advantage.

I personally think the standards of football have dropepd overall.

Seppuku wrote:

jibers wrote:Seriously dude, how can you compare the German NT to the 3rd best team in the German League?

I just took your statement word for word.

Either way, you think Man.United in a hypothetical match could win against the Germany NT?

I honestly don't.

Barcelona are far better than Spain.

Le Samourai wrote:

Barcelona are far better than Spain.

Not for long

The Franchise wrote:

Seppuku wrote:

jibers wrote:Seriously dude, how can you compare the German NT to the 3rd best team in the German League?

I just took your statement word for word.

Either way, you think Man.United in a hypothetical match could win against the Germany NT?

I honestly don't.

Barcelona are far better than Spain.

Madrid far better than Holland.

Man Utd, Man City, Bayern, Milan better than Brazil, Germany, Urugauy and Ghana.

Could go on really.

Strong NT's look good, even if they dont trash opponants (though they still do on occassion, Germany and Spain have done this season) however, you can see the real different in quality.

It only makes sense, the clubs train together what, 8-9 months in the year at the very least...clubs, 1 week at a time every couple months then maybe a couple weeks before a tournament.

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Seppuku wrote:

jibers wrote:Seriously dude, how can you compare the German NT to the 3rd best team in the German League?

I just took your statement word for word.

Either way, you think Man.United in a hypothetical match could win against the Germany NT?

I honestly don't.

Barcelona are far better than Spain.

Madrid far better than Holland.

Man Utd, Man City, Bayern, Milan better than Brazil, Germany, Urugauy and Ghana.

Could go on really.

Strong NT's look good, even if they dont trash opponants (though they still do on occassion, Germany and Spain have done this season) however, you can see the real different in quality.

It only makes sense, the clubs train together what, 8-9 months in the year at the very least...clubs, 1 week at a time every couple months then maybe a couple weeks before a tournament.

Germany are better than all those teams. I think people have a tendancy to hype up club teams a bit much lol, blame sky sports

how are spain far worse than barcelona? ok they lose messi, they have a far better goalkeeper and capitan, better defensive options, and more depth in midfield and forward areas (particularly silva)

Seppuku wrote:@ The Franchise,

I disagree. First of all, I said random fixtures, we can't unfavorably place teams in specific matches.

I also think you jumped way higher to the the top level echelon of teams and forgot the essential point. Smaller team that come through the WC and Euro's are simply stronger than the smaller teams that come through the CL.

Teams like Russia, South Korea, Japan and Australia are easily better than the likes of FC Copenhagen or Basel. Which brings us back to the point of why you don't see teams eating dirt at the knockout stages. The caliber of teams at the lower level is simply higher.

At the higher level, I think its debatable. Bayern, R.Madrid and Farca are probably stronger than the NT's. The rest? I doubt. I don't see Milan disposing of Germany for example. Man.United? puhleeeez.

The Franchise wrote:

Seppuku wrote:

jibers wrote:Seriously dude, how can you compare the German NT to the 3rd best team in the German League?

I just took your statement word for word.

Either way, you think Man.United in a hypothetical match could win against the Germany NT?

I honestly don't.

Barcelona are far better than Spain.

Madrid far better than Holland.

Man Utd, Man City, Bayern, Milan better than Brazil, Germany, Urugauy and Ghana.

Could go on really.

Strong NT's look good, even if they dont trash opponants (though they still do on occassion, Germany and Spain have done this season) however, you can see the real different in quality.

It only makes sense, the clubs train together what, 8-9 months in the year at the very least...clubs, 1 week at a time every couple months then maybe a couple weeks before a tournament.