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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:18 pm

He is tactically brilliant, unbeatable in mind games and capable of overcoming any opponent on his day, but José Mourinho is not the best manager in the world. If reports suggesting he will leave the Bernabéu this summer are true, it would, in the long-term at least, be a mistake for any Premier League club to take him on. The first and most often excused problem with Mourinho as a manager is that he is a trouble maker. He might argue that his antics distract from his players and benefit his team, but there is a limit to this logic.

When a manager blames himself or, more likely, the referee for a disappointing result, the team could well benefit from the deflected attention. When a manager uses elaborate mind games to give his side a psychological advantage over the opposition, that can be good as well. But winding up opposition supporters, being regularly sent to the stands for bad behaviour and even involving yourself in player brawls – slapping faces and pulling ears – is something quite different. It is hard to see how these types of incidents can be for the good of the team.

On a deeper level, Mourinho has proven himself shortsighted as a manager. Winning the League twice for Chelsea was great, but the club was left in a mess when he departed. This was not just because they were landed with an inferior manager, but because the team was developed in an unsustainable manner. In just over three years, Mourinho spent over £200 million on 23 players, just four of whom were 21 years old or younger. He sold over ten academy-team products and left an ageing timebomb of a squad. The squad has had some success since, but without regular large reinvestment, has generally been declining in quality since its peak in the Mourinho era.

Mourinho's worst attribute is his inability to commit. He has worked across six different clubs since his managerial career began in 2000, spending an average of two years at each. Maybe he did not expressly ask to leave each of his clubs – he is widely believed to have been shoved from Chelsea under a veil of "mutual consent" – but he has issues getting along with colleagues and not jumping ship.

It has long been rumoured that Mourinho's intention is to return to the Premier League. No doubt this would be greeted with great excitement from the club concerned. But should there be? Yes, he is a brilliant manager, but he is not without his flaws. Doing well for two years is all very well, but what comes after that? Mourinho may have achieved a lot, but he is yet to prove himself as a long-term manager. William Turvill

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/8277/38/
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Post by Babun Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:24 pm

Nick :facepalm: The content of this thead was written with an IQ lower than the room temperature in my apartment...


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Post by Mamad Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:25 pm

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Post by Die Borussen Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:30 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:He is tactically brilliant, unbeatable in mind games and capable of overcoming any opponent on his day, but José Mourinho is not the best manager in the world. If reports suggesting he will leave the Bernabéu this summer are true, it would, in the long-term at least, be a mistake for any Premier League club to take him on. The first and most often excused problem with Mourinho as a manager is that he is a trouble maker. He might argue that his antics distract from his players and benefit his team, but there is a limit to this logic.

When a manager blames himself or, more likely, the referee for a disappointing result, the team could well benefit from the deflected attention. When a manager uses elaborate mind games to give his side a psychological advantage over the opposition, that can be good as well. But winding up opposition supporters, being regularly sent to the stands for bad behaviour and even involving yourself in player brawls – slapping faces and pulling ears – is something quite different. It is hard to see how these types of incidents can be for the good of the team.

On a deeper level, Mourinho has proven himself shortsighted as a manager. Winning the League twice for Chelsea was great, but the club was left in a mess when he departed. This was not just because they were landed with an inferior manager, but because the team was developed in an unsustainable manner. In just over three years, Mourinho spent over £200 million on 23 players, just four of whom were 21 years old or younger. He sold over ten academy-team products and left an ageing timebomb of a squad. The squad has had some success since, but without regular large reinvestment, has generally been declining in quality since its peak in the Mourinho era.

Mourinho's worst attribute is his inability to commit. He has worked across six different clubs since his managerial career began in 2000, spending an average of two years at each. Maybe he did not expressly ask to leave each of his clubs – he is widely believed to have been shoved from Chelsea under a veil of "mutual consent" – but he has issues getting along with colleagues and not jumping ship.

It has long been rumoured that Mourinho's intention is to return to the Premier League. No doubt this would be greeted with great excitement from the club concerned. But should there be? Yes, he is a brilliant manager, but he is not without his flaws. Doing well for two years is all very well, but what comes after that? Mourinho may have achieved a lot, but he is yet to prove himself as a long-term manager. William Turvill

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/8277/38/

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Post by Le Samourai Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:40 pm

Laughing

Was this from Roman's very own version of Joseph Goebbels to deflect attention and interest. hmm
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Post by Grande_Milano Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:14 pm

Franco's propoganda.

P.S with all login name changings, who is who now witches?
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Post by The Franchise Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:20 pm

How come everyone mocks this argument about Mourinho (which actually has some facts thrown in) but never effectively explains why its wrong?
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Post by Arquitecto Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:22 pm

Funny how all the RM fans are mocking this argument without any concrete criticism.

Logical Fallacy?

Denial?

Or just plain laziness
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Post by Babun Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:25 pm

Waste of time. I'd argue if the article has got a solid base and some conflicts in it. Then, we'd need to clarify with confusing parts or the ones I don't agree with. The whole article is crap. Intead of replying to all of its nonsense I could write another one with correct info, that would be more useful Very Happy
Sometimes, not taking the bait is the smarter choice eco smile
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Post by Be/\/ceCALI Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:28 pm

Looks about right to me. Amazing Coach, but hasn't proven himself as a long-term manager. Maybe because that's not his style, who knows. He does cause lots of attention(much of which is unwanted attention) and controversy wherever he goes, that is fact.
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:29 pm

Not arsed as long as he doesn't come to us (which thankfully he won't)

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Post by Die Borussen Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:32 pm

i stopped reading when i saw this :

"but José Mourinho is not the best manager in the world"


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Post by The Franchise Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:32 pm

What bait....its factual.

He sold 10 youth team players and bought 23 players where only 4 of them can be considered young.

Those are plain facts.

He has left Porto, Chelsea and Inter and all 3 had to rebuild (2 still havent properly) because he didnt leave them enough to work with.

The last line, "he is yet to prove himself as a long-term manager" is 100% true.
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Post by Le Samourai Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:33 pm

Mourinhio was forced out of Chelsea.
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Post by Die Borussen Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:37 pm

weird those words are coming from a guardiola fan.

and whats with the long-term manager thing? thats supposed to help you succeed fergie, guardiola,"wenger", etc a big reason of their success is their long term managin in one team. so thats not something to target on doing it.. rather avoid it...

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Post by EarlyPrototype Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:38 pm

The article speaks the truth 100%
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Post by Die Borussen Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:44 pm

and by the way franchise chelsea sux now and sucked before mou arrived

inter sux now and sucked before mou arrived

porto was nothing and was something when mou coached and is nothing until now at least for me

suddenly all the success came when mou coached and ALL you have to say is blame him cause the teams fail to succeed after he leaves..
hate much?

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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:45 pm

The guy is not an ESPN or BBC writer, but he is clearly touching on many points which are simple facts and truthful. I personally think it's too easy to just brush off whatever he says without providing proper arguments yourself. All he is saying is, mourinho is an amazing coach, but he has a very destructive way of working as well, and it should be a concern because he doesnt seem to be able to commint in a single club. When he arrived at Madrid, he was going to stay for 10, then until the end of his deal, now he wont go as far as next summer? what kind of coach keep saying to the pres that he will leave and go to English. It's disappointing to see madridistas sticking by someone who refuse to commit and showing complete lack of respect when he talks about leaving soon. And im not talking about the rumors, because he spoke those words himself.

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Post by Babun Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:49 pm

The Franchise wrote:What bait....its factual.

He sold 10 youth team players and bought 23 players where only 4 of them can be considered young.

Those are plain facts.

He has left Porto, Chelsea and Inter and all 3 had to rebuild (2 still havent properly) because he didnt leave them enough to work with.

The last line, "he is yet to prove himself as a long-term manager" is 100% true.

1.He used Porto as his stepping stone.

2. Chelski needed a new squad to compete for their ambitions. He brought the likes of Drogba, Essien and Ballack. The most expensive one was Sheva and he didn't initiate it. Why did he spend so much? The club didn't have enough talent to win EPL to begin with. He was starting to build his legacy at Chelski but they forced him out=> incomplete project. As far as bad squad goes, that Chelski team was competetive for next 3-4 years. No one replaced the aging people in the squad though...

3. Inter didn't have the money for a complete rehaul, they still don't have, but they wanted to win CL and Scudetto. He used Inter just like Porto as a stepping stone. Short term acquisition of veterans with the aim to put himself on the managerial map again. He succeeded! Inter got what they wanted. I'm 99% sure no matter who you put at the helm of the Inter in Jose time, they wouldn't be able to rebuild the squad with that money. Look at his total transfers in 2 seasons...

4. Real Madrid is a top club just like the one in his Chelski times. As long as people don't fire him, he's got no reason to leave us. As far as signings go Özil, Sahin, Di Maria, Khedira, Coentrao, Varane etc. The squad is healthy and very balanced. He didn't spend 100 of millions because he didn't need to. Even if he leaves I don't see a huge 'rebuilding' problem. Maybe, some Inter fans will feel offended but he used them as a stepping stone. Inter won their first CL in a half of a century in return.

I answered only things that interested you, the way the article is scrapped together is a big :facepalm:
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Post by Dnmac4 Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:55 pm

I am one of Mou's biggest critics and what the article says is 100% true but thats doesn't mean if your an EPL team you shouldn't get him if you had the chance and if you did your fans should be very excited.

He will stay there for 2-3 years win your league for you and give you a shot at winning the champions league (a very good shot) and then insult most of the coach's in your league and the people who run your league to the point where it's uncomfortable for him to operate in it because people are tired of his antics and quite frankly want nothing to do with him anymore so then he leaves.

If your a club with a huge budget then he can do in 2-3 years what other good managers can do in 5-10 years so it's worth it if you are prepared to overhaul your team twice. Once when he gets there and once when he leaves. If you have a budget and are not prepared to spend a bunch of cash then Mou is not your guy and you have no business hiring him as coach, it's pretty simple.
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Post by Pedram Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:57 pm

How many times do Mourinho have to say he's happy at Madrid and want to remain here until his contract is expired ?
Is it wrong for him to express his love for EPL ? the guy can't lie to press who consistently are asking him if he'll comeback to EPL, what do you expect him to say ? " no, i'll stay in Madrid for the rest of my life"

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Post by Sushi Master Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:58 pm

Mourinho's gonna have to eventually settle down in 1 or 2 clubs... I doubt he could keep up that frenetic lifestyle once he nears his 60s.

He's repeteadly said he wants to go back to England, so perhaps one of those clubs can settle him down and actually make him create a legacy. Then he'd trully be a GOAT manager, cuz that's all he's missing.

He'll make Stoke the mightiest team in the world :bow:
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Post by Le Samourai Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:00 pm

What is a long term manager? because Jose is in football for the long haul.

Whether he coaches at Real Madrid or not.....this is a guy who seeks pressure and a guy who challenges himself every single time.Personally I love it.

Maybe he'll never grind out 30 years like SAF but I could care less.
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Post by The Franchise Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:09 pm

deadrave wrote:and by the way franchise chelsea sux now and sucked before mou arrived

inter sux now and sucked before mou arrived

porto was nothing and was something when mou coached and is nothing until now at least for me

suddenly all the success came when mou coached and ALL you have to say is blame him cause the teams fail to succeed after he leaves..
hate much?

And what argues what I said how?

I didnt say he didnt do well for them, I said he left them in a mess. Which again, is true.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:10 pm

El Pipita wrote:How many times do Mourinho have to say he's happy at Madrid and want to remain here until his contract is expired ?
Is it wrong for him to express his love for EPL ? the guy can't lie to press who consistently are asking him if he'll comeback to EPL, what do you expect him to say ? " no, i'll stay in Madrid for the rest of my life"


Maybe it's me being old school, but when you work for an organization, specially one as big as Real Madrid, you have no future. Your only future is the organization you work for. You dont go around and repeatedly hammer to the press that you want to go back to england. If they ask you about your future, you answer "Real Madrid is my only future". You dont say one thing to english medias, and then another to spanish medias. I find it very disrespectful. If it was a player saying that he wants to play somewhere else that much, we would all be saying "GTFO of Madrid, bring in some canteras, they would die for this shirt" and we would question his commitment. This is exactly the same thing.
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