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Post by kiranr Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:28 pm

All Mourinho fans and then some have labelled his tactics as genius.

I think Mourinho is a great tactician. He is, especially, good in defense. All the teams that he has coached have been excellent at controlling space in all parts of the ground. Where i find him lacking a bit is in building attacks. It is only a bit mind you.

The likes of SAF, Wenger are better than him in building attacking moves. You can easily identify some of their pet moves that keep repeating match after match. Can anyone mention some recurring moves Mourinho uses in his attack?

More importantly, why is he labelled a tactical genius?
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Post by JuvenelCuore Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:30 pm

Because people bandwagon him without watching.

Nothing tactical about parking the bus in the UCL with Inter, or making excuses and whining like a little girl when Barcelona beat them. "They turned the sprinklers on," "We got a red card so we lost," "The ball boys were not present so they wasted forty seconds on purpose," etc.

He goes into teams with already established sides and wins trophies. That is all. Unlike SAF and Wenger, he does not build teams as he has never scouted a player in his life. He has Madrid with a lot of money at his disposal, and had Inter who were fortunate their squad did as well as it did, judging by the fact they have declined horribly since his departure.

/inbeforePortoCLwin
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Post by Senor Penguin Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:33 pm

I don't think his tactics are anywhere near as genius as his ability to motivate a squad and change their attitude.

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Post by montecarlotwenty Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:35 pm

Let's see how he manages in one of the top leagues without hundreds of millions to spend.

Love to see how good he is at Everton or Villareal.

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Post by the xcx Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:35 pm

uhhh..not this again, I guess winning in 4 different leagues is labelled as a average coach? He didint have power before coaching Porto, yet he did an excellent job coaching de Leiria for instance...
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Post by kiranr Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:36 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:Because people bandwagon him without watching.

Nothing tactical about parking the bus in the UCL with Inter, or making excuses and whining like a little girl when Barcelona beat them. "They turned the sprinklers on," "We got a red card so we lost," "The ball boys were not present so they wasted forty seconds on purpose," etc.

He goes into teams with already established sides and wins trophies. That is all. Unlike SAF and Wenger, he does not build teams as he has never scouted a player in his life. He has Madrid with a lot of money at his disposal, and had Inter who were fortunate their squad did as well as it did, judging by the fact they have declined horribly since his departure.

/inbeforePortoCLwin

That is a bit extreme Nelcurore. He has scouted good players and added them to strengthen his side.

You could attribute Inter's demise to Rafa!

He is a great manager. What makes him a genius manager is my question!
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Post by JuvenelCuore Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:37 pm

kiranr wrote:
JuvenelCuore wrote:Because people bandwagon him without watching.

Nothing tactical about parking the bus in the UCL with Inter, or making excuses and whining like a little girl when Barcelona beat them. "They turned the sprinklers on," "We got a red card so we lost," "The ball boys were not present so they wasted forty seconds on purpose," etc.

He goes into teams with already established sides and wins trophies. That is all. Unlike SAF and Wenger, he does not build teams as he has never scouted a player in his life. He has Madrid with a lot of money at his disposal, and had Inter who were fortunate their squad did as well as it did, judging by the fact they have declined horribly since his departure.

/inbeforePortoCLwin

That is a bit extreme Nelcurore. He has scouted good players and added them to strengthen his side.

You could attribute Inter's demise to Rafa!

He is a great manager. What makes him a genius manager is my question!

Who has he scouted ? Waiting upon the names. Guaranteed they will all be Porto players, if any.

Demise to Rafa ? What did he do ? He was a bad coach, the team was the same or almost the same though, was it not ?
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Post by guest7 Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:37 pm

montecarlotwenty wrote:Let's see how he manages in one of the top leagues without hundreds of millions to spend.

Love to see how good he is at Everton or Villareal.

It's not like he coached and won a Champions League trophy with Porto... :?:
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Post by kiranr Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:38 pm

The xcx wrote:uhhh..not this again, I guess winning in 4 different leagues is labelled as a average coach? He didint have power before coaching Porto, yet he did an excellent job coaching de Leiria for instance...

Where did i say average coach? But to qualify as a tactical genius, you have to give me more evidence than winning.
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Post by pUsHa Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:39 pm

omarish wrote:
montecarlotwenty wrote:Let's see how he manages in one of the top leagues without hundreds of millions to spend.

Love to see how good he is at Everton or Villareal.

It's not like he coached and won a Champions League trophy with Porto... :?:

Ofcourse it's not like he took out the best teams in Europe in his CL winning campaign with Inter ...
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Post by JuvenelCuore Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:39 pm

omarish wrote:
montecarlotwenty wrote:Let's see how he manages in one of the top leagues without hundreds of millions to spend.

Love to see how good he is at Everton or Villareal.

It's not like he coached and won a Champions League trophy with Porto... :?:

LOL good thing I said /inbeforePortoCL.

That is all Mourinho has to his name. A trophy he won years ago, and only because a Giggs (or Scholes, I forget) goal was judged offside when it was onside.
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Post by the xcx Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:40 pm

kiranr wrote:
The xcx wrote:uhhh..not this again, I guess winning in 4 different leagues is labelled as a average coach? He didint have power before coaching Porto, yet he did an excellent job coaching de Leiria for instance...

Where did i say average coach? But to qualify as a tactical genius, you have to give me more evidence than winning.
So, hes not an "tactical genius", that dosent make you any inferiour than any other coach..Tactics enough do not win you games, you should know that.
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Post by guest7 Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:40 pm

Let's not forget that as soon as Mou leaves the team he is coaching they all have been underperforming compared to when he was coaching them. (Chelsea and Inter). Porto is the only one you can't compare becouse all their players were sold.
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Post by kiranr Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:41 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:

Who has he scouted ? Waiting upon the names. Guaranteed they will all be Porto players, if any.

Demise to Rafa ? What did he do ? He was a bad coach, the team was the same or almost the same though, was it not ?

If you are talking about youth players, then you are right. However, his transfers have been good. The like of Drogba, Essien, Cole at Chelsea and Sneijder, Milito, Lucio at Inter Milan. So he is good at identifying players that he needs.

Maybe Rafa was not able to motivate them as much as Mourinho. Rafa is very cold or robot-like in his dealings.
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Post by montecarlotwenty Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:44 pm

omarish wrote:
montecarlotwenty wrote:Let's see how he manages in one of the top leagues without hundreds of millions to spend.

Love to see how good he is at Everton or Villareal.

It's not like he coached and won a Champions League trophy with Porto... :?:

What has that got to with what I posted?

Can't you read bro?

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Post by JuvenelCuore Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:44 pm

omarish wrote:Let's not forget that as soon as Mou leaves the team he is coaching they all have been underperforming compared to when he was coaching them. (Chelsea and Inter). Porto is the only one you can't compare becouse all their players were sold.

You think it is Mourinho's brilliance that makes him irreplacable ? It is the fact that he uses teams until they win, and has no foundation or support. Other teams prepare for the loss of legends, like SAF losing many of his legends this year.

Mourinho buys whoever is good now, and lets the teams figure it out when he leaves.
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Post by kiranr Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:44 pm

I do not want this to be about winning.

All Mourinho supporters have called him a tactical genius at one point or the other.

I am not doubting his managerial skills or motivational skills. He is great at developing a winning team.

But why is he a tactical genius? Or is he just as good as other top managers?
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Post by JuvenelCuore Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:45 pm

kiranr wrote:
JuvenelCuore wrote:

Who has he scouted ? Waiting upon the names. Guaranteed they will all be Porto players, if any.

Demise to Rafa ? What did he do ? He was a bad coach, the team was the same or almost the same though, was it not ?

If you are talking about youth players, then you are right. However, his transfers have been good. The like of Drogba, Essien, Cole at Chelsea and Sneijder, Milito, Lucio at Inter Milan. So he is good at identifying players that he needs.

Maybe Rafa was not able to motivate them as much as Mourinho. Rafa is very cold or robot-like in his dealings.

Were those his doing ? Highly doubt it. Notice you have pinpointed big players who were bought at clubs with money, who did he get at Porto ?
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Post by guest7 Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:49 pm

kiranr wrote:I do not want this to be about winning.

All Mourinho supporters have called him a tactical genius at one point or the other.

I am not doubting his managerial skills or motivational skills. He is great at developing a winning team.

But why is he a tactical genius? Or is he just as good as other top managers?

It's becouse his huge influence. Every team he goes to becomes a top European team. For example, he managed already on his first season to win (or just score) against Barca (Copa Del Rey. Just an example, not trying to start a shitstorm). Although the performance was worse than Barca, the result wasn't. That is a huge milestone for a first season (especially when the team itself hasn't been able to do it before).

He motivates players into better fitness, high discipline and he seems to be able to make any team he goes to be able to reach the final in Champions League. (Porto, Chelsea and Inter) Overall, his influence is way too huge to ignore, his tactics seems to be spot on, his counter attacking philosophy is efficient and he does it in a "genius" way.

How many managers in todays game are able to do that? (I can only think of Pep and Ferguson)
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Post by guest7 Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:51 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:
omarish wrote:Let's not forget that as soon as Mou leaves the team he is coaching they all have been underperforming compared to when he was coaching them. (Chelsea and Inter). Porto is the only one you can't compare becouse all their players were sold.

You think it is Mourinho's brilliance that makes him irreplacable ? It is the fact that he uses teams until they win, and has no foundation or support. Other teams prepare for the loss of legends, like SAF losing many of his legends this year.

Mourinho buys whoever is good now, and lets the teams figure it out when he leaves.

The "finished" Chelsea still was able to challange Barca, plus he left them after they lost in a final in penelties. He did not leave them but was sacked, but his influence was noticable.
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Post by montecarlotwenty Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:53 pm

Shame Mourinho can't "motivate" youth player like Leon, Canales, Garay, Balotelli, Santon. Instead publicly destroys their confidence and throws them on the scrap heap before they're given a chance.

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Post by kiranr Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:55 pm

omarish wrote:

He motivates players into better fitness, high discipline and he seems to be able to make any team he goes to be able to reach the final in Champions League. (Porto, Chelsea and Inter) Overall, his influence is way too huge to ignore, his tactics seems to be spot on, his counter attacking philosophy is efficient and he does it in a "genius" way.

I agree with all of this except for the last part. What is this genius way? It is well know that if you have great players then counter attacking becomes deadly. Ferguson with CR, Rooney etc. Wenger with Pires, Bergkamp, Henry etc. Even in Milan with Kaka. Why is Mourinho a genius, or do you call all Wenger, Fergie a genius too?
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Post by cyberman Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:57 pm

Serious question

Why is the only time Barca fans venture into the general is to post about madrid?
insecurity? lack of knowledge about anything non La Liga based? even lack of knowledge about anything non La Liga top 2?

honest question


plus he left them after they lost in a final in penelties. He did not leave them but was sacked, but his influence was noticable.

no he didnt, Jose left them in a disorganised shambles after a draw at home in the CL group stages

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Post by guest7 Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:58 pm

kiranr wrote:
omarish wrote:

He motivates players into better fitness, high discipline and he seems to be able to make any team he goes to be able to reach the final in Champions League. (Porto, Chelsea and Inter) Overall, his influence is way too huge to ignore, his tactics seems to be spot on, his counter attacking philosophy is efficient and he does it in a "genius" way.

I agree with all of this except for the last part. What is this genius way? It is well know that if you have great players then counter attacking becomes deadly. Ferguson with CR, Rooney etc. Wenger with Pires, Bergkamp, Henry etc. Even in Milan with Kaka. Why is Mourinho a genius, or do you call all Wenger, Fergie a genius too?

I see that as a genius. Just wherever you go, your influence is noticable. I don't know what is a genius for you.
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Post by pUsHa Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:59 pm

montecarlotwenty wrote:Shame Mourinho can't "motivate" youth player like Leon, Canales, Garay, Balotelli, Santon. Instead publicly destroys their confidence and throws them on the scrap heap before they're given a chance.

Nobody hires Mourinho to develop youth ... Rolling Eyes

They hire him to win them trophies ... and he's doing that perfectly 'till now ...
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