Re: Sergio Ramos:'' It's an honour to be compared with Franz Beckenbauer

by teamanarchy Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:44 am

The Franchise wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Here's something Ironic...
Everyone here arguing that Ramos is crap, he's not fit to shine Beckenbauer's boot, blah blah blah is not older than, what, 25. So you were all born after 1986...
Beckenbauer's career started in '64 and ended in '83.
So, that means that none of you were actually old enough, or alive enough, to watch the Kaiser play.
Now I realise that you might have found one or two video clips on the internet.
Perhaps some of you have even been dedicated enough to download a full match or two. But, my guess is that none of you have actually see enough of Beckenbauer playing to actually have any clear idea of the ammount of talent that he possessed. Nor would you have any idea of his playing style.

So, basically all of your opinions are based one heresay, wikipedia articles and youtube...
So why are you all pretending like you know exactly what you're talking about?

None of the opinions expressed in this thread are any good. And most of you haven't even seen Ramos play at centre back.

You're glorified trolls...

I understand what your saying TA and I understand you like Ramos, but come on now.

You can watch Beckenbauer in just highlight form to see what kind of quality he had. If you look at his quality for his era and then his acheivements...you cant compare them to Ramos, who isnt ever the best defender (let alone player) on just his team alone.

Beckenbauers quality is so clear (again, compared to his peers in his era) you dont need game after game of watching to see how talented he was.

If you want to throw out this comparision, then you could probably do it on the basis of it not being fair to debate across eras. But in terms of achievement, legacy and quality relative to his peers, its obviously laughable to compare them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZmT6XNZK5M

What a quality world class player.
I mean, based on these video highlights he must be god.

by teamanarchy Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:53 am

The comparison is laughable.
And I agree. There is no way Ramos is as good as Beckenbauer.
I havenn't denied this, nor has anybody on the forum.
Beckenbauer is one of the greatest players ever to play (let alone defenders).
When Ramos wins 3 UCLs.. he can then maybe think about being put in the same bracket. Maybe.
But the fact of the matter is, this thread is made up of stupid comments, talking about two players who none, or very little at least, of the posters making knowledge claims, have actually seen play and can provide valid opinions about.

Ramos himself, meanwhile, feels honoured to be compared, and at the end of the day, he's an amazing centre back. Very comfortable with the ball at his feet. Solid as a rock. These type of qualities make him not the same or even near to the same level as Beckenbauer, but to say he resembles the guy is not too far-fetched...
Just like Lukaku (for instance) resembles Drogba, but is not the same...

by The Franchise Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:57 am

teamanarchy wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Here's something Ironic...
Everyone here arguing that Ramos is crap, he's not fit to shine Beckenbauer's boot, blah blah blah is not older than, what, 25. So you were all born after 1986...
Beckenbauer's career started in '64 and ended in '83.
So, that means that none of you were actually old enough, or alive enough, to watch the Kaiser play.
Now I realise that you might have found one or two video clips on the internet.
Perhaps some of you have even been dedicated enough to download a full match or two. But, my guess is that none of you have actually see enough of Beckenbauer playing to actually have any clear idea of the ammount of talent that he possessed. Nor would you have any idea of his playing style.

So, basically all of your opinions are based one heresay, wikipedia articles and youtube...
So why are you all pretending like you know exactly what you're talking about?

None of the opinions expressed in this thread are any good. And most of you haven't even seen Ramos play at centre back.

You're glorified trolls...

I understand what your saying TA and I understand you like Ramos, but come on now.

You can watch Beckenbauer in just highlight form to see what kind of quality he had. If you look at his quality for his era and then his acheivements...you cant compare them to Ramos, who isnt ever the best defender (let alone player) on just his team alone.

Beckenbauers quality is so clear (again, compared to his peers in his era) you dont need game after game of watching to see how talented he was.

If you want to throw out this comparision, then you could probably do it on the basis of it not being fair to debate across eras. But in terms of achievement, legacy and quality relative to his peers, its obviously laughable to compare them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZmT6XNZK5M

What a quality world class player.
I mean, based on these video highlights he must be god.

Yeah, because thats the same thing.

smh

by michael1 Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:00 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
omarish wrote:I don't get what's so "lol" about this?

Marca compared him and they probably asked his opinion about it. Who does NOT think it's a honour to be compared with the Kaiser?

I'd have said the same thing. It is a honour.

The comparison is the LOL thing not Ramos reaction.

Lol ud have thought that was was obvious loll

by Zealous Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:02 pm

Franchise hates Ramos so I usually ignore him whenever a debate on him pops up (still love you bro lol) but he has a point here.

They are two different types of players. However I will add that Ramos has been really really good for Madrid lately, he's cleaned up almost everything that has come his way as well as bringing the ball out from defence to attack with the sort of conviction most fans love to see.

Hierro will always be the best goal scoring CB for me though :bow:

by H.A. Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:05 pm

Zealous wrote:Franchise hates Ramos so I usually ignore him whenever a debate on him pops up (still love you bro lol) but he has a point here.

They are two different types of players. However I will add that Ramos has been really really good for Madrid lately, he's cleaned up almost everything that has come his way as well as bringing the ball out from defence to attack with the sort of conviction most fans love to see.

Hierro will always be the best goal scoring CB for me though

I just want Ramos to be added to our legendary CB list AND proving his haters wrong :bow:

by Jack Daniels Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:10 pm

Zealous wrote:Franchise hates Ramos so I usually ignore him whenever a debate on him pops up (still love you bro lol) but he has a point here.

He's a closet fan. He sent me a picture of his newly bought Ramos Spain kit.

I'm pretty sure it hurts for him to say that he is nowhere near The Kaiser, but he knows what reality is and i agree with him.

albino

by Zealous Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:12 pm

WTF lol? Pics or it didn't happen xD

by Jack Daniels Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:14 pm

Zealous wrote:WTF lol? Pics or it didn't happen xD

I'm not posting private pictures of people here lol. Ask it from himself.

albino

by Zealous Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:16 pm

PM me then Razz

by Jack Daniels Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:20 pm

Zealous wrote:PM me then

I won't do that as it violates our "Privacy Pact".

albino

by The Franchise Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:21 pm

Get yourself out of this one you Pacquiao fan boy lol

PM Zeal "my" pictures

by Zealous Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:29 pm

Rule 16 of Goal Legacy, Franchise hates Ramos :study:

by teamanarchy Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:29 pm

The Franchise wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Here's something Ironic...
Everyone here arguing that Ramos is crap, he's not fit to shine Beckenbauer's boot, blah blah blah is not older than, what, 25. So you were all born after 1986...
Beckenbauer's career started in '64 and ended in '83.
So, that means that none of you were actually old enough, or alive enough, to watch the Kaiser play.
Now I realise that you might have found one or two video clips on the internet.
Perhaps some of you have even been dedicated enough to download a full match or two. But, my guess is that none of you have actually see enough of Beckenbauer playing to actually have any clear idea of the ammount of talent that he possessed. Nor would you have any idea of his playing style.

So, basically all of your opinions are based one heresay, wikipedia articles and youtube...
So why are you all pretending like you know exactly what you're talking about?

None of the opinions expressed in this thread are any good. And most of you haven't even seen Ramos play at centre back.

You're glorified trolls...

I understand what your saying TA and I understand you like Ramos, but come on now.

You can watch Beckenbauer in just highlight form to see what kind of quality he had. If you look at his quality for his era and then his acheivements...you cant compare them to Ramos, who isnt ever the best defender (let alone player) on just his team alone.

Beckenbauers quality is so clear (again, compared to his peers in his era) you dont need game after game of watching to see how talented he was.

If you want to throw out this comparision, then you could probably do it on the basis of it not being fair to debate across eras. But in terms of achievement, legacy and quality relative to his peers, its obviously laughable to compare them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZmT6XNZK5M

What a quality world class player.
I mean, based on these video highlights he must be god.

Yeah, because thats the same thing.

smh

Actually, it pretty much is. You've watched a few YouTube clips of Beckenbauer and pretend like you know exactly what his style of play is.
Excatly how he affected the game
The logical fallacy here:
"HASTY GENERALIZATION: bases an inference on too small a sample, or on an unrepresentative sample. Often, a single example or instance is used as the basis for a broader generalization.

example: All of those movie stars are really rude. I asked Kevin Costner for his autograph in a restaurant in Westwood the other evening, and he told me to get lost.

example: Pit Bulls are actually gentle, sweet dogs. My next door neighbor has one and his dog loves to romp and play with all the kids in the neighborhood!"

by The Franchise Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:30 pm

Boy, your personal stash of kits never stops growing. Cristiano, Ramos to go along with your personalized Philippines national kit with "Pac-roid" across the back.

I bow to you good sir :bow:

by Jack Daniels Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:33 pm

I deleted the post to avoid everyone seeing it..

I just sent Zeal the picture. mwahahah albino

btw "Pac-Roid"LMAO

by Zealous Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:35 pm

Wow just saw JD's PM, Franchise that Ramos kit looks pretty good.

Honestly I'm in shock.

Seriously man you of all people have a Ramos kit? Suspect

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by Jack Daniels Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:36 pm

by The Franchise Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:36 pm

teamanarchy wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Here's something Ironic...
Everyone here arguing that Ramos is crap, he's not fit to shine Beckenbauer's boot, blah blah blah is not older than, what, 25. So you were all born after 1986...
Beckenbauer's career started in '64 and ended in '83.
So, that means that none of you were actually old enough, or alive enough, to watch the Kaiser play.
Now I realise that you might have found one or two video clips on the internet.
Perhaps some of you have even been dedicated enough to download a full match or two. But, my guess is that none of you have actually see enough of Beckenbauer playing to actually have any clear idea of the ammount of talent that he possessed. Nor would you have any idea of his playing style.

So, basically all of your opinions are based one heresay, wikipedia articles and youtube...
So why are you all pretending like you know exactly what you're talking about?

None of the opinions expressed in this thread are any good. And most of you haven't even seen Ramos play at centre back.

You're glorified trolls...

I understand what your saying TA and I understand you like Ramos, but come on now.

You can watch Beckenbauer in just highlight form to see what kind of quality he had. If you look at his quality for his era and then his acheivements...you cant compare them to Ramos, who isnt ever the best defender (let alone player) on just his team alone.

Beckenbauers quality is so clear (again, compared to his peers in his era) you dont need game after game of watching to see how talented he was.

If you want to throw out this comparision, then you could probably do it on the basis of it not being fair to debate across eras. But in terms of achievement, legacy and quality relative to his peers, its obviously laughable to compare them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZmT6XNZK5M

What a quality world class player.
I mean, based on these video highlights he must be god.

Yeah, because thats the same thing.

smh

Actually, it pretty much is. You've watched a few YouTube clips of Beckenbauer and pretend like you know exactly what his style of play is.
Excatly how he affected the game
The logical fallacy here:
"HASTY GENERALIZATION: bases an inference on too small a sample, or on an unrepresentative sample. Often, a single example or instance is used as the basis for a broader generalization.

example: All of those movie stars are really rude. I asked Kevin Costner for his autograph in a restaurant in Westwood the other evening, and he told me to get lost.

example: Pit Bulls are actually gentle, sweet dogs. My next door neighbor has one and his dog loves to romp and play with all the kids in the neighborhood!"

First of all, who said I watched a few youtube clips? Maybe I watched a couple games. But whatever, assume away.

Maybe you do, but I think most do not need 10 seasons worth of videos to get an idea how good he was.

Anyone can see a WC final with him in it in this day and age, its not hard to find. Add what you see, to what he achieved..its not a complicated situation to see he is clearly not to be compared to Ramos of all people.

In a youtube video, you can see alot of his qualities. You wont see his weaknesses, you wont see his overall impact on the game, but you can see what made him a great player. Factor in the widespread knowledge that he won WC´s and was the dominating player on his team its not hard to figure out he was clearly on a different level to what Ramos is on now.

Saying its the same as Robinho doing stepovers against Bolivia, Mallorca and Chievo is retarded on your part.

by The Franchise Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:37 pm

Zealous wrote:Wow just saw JD's PM, Franchise that Ramos kit looks pretty good.

Honestly I'm in shock.

You Madrid gayboys cant help but stick together, should of known better lol

by Zealous Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:38 pm

You're the one with the Ramos kit tbf.

You must be a fan of his rock hard abs Embarassed

by Jack Daniels Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:38 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Zealous wrote:Wow just saw JD's PM, Franchise that Ramos kit looks pretty good.

Honestly I'm in shock.

You Madrid gayboys cant help but stick together, should of known better lol

U Mad bro?

hahahahaha.

by EarlyPrototype Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:39 pm

Franchise would look buff in that Ramos kit. Ramos is your favourite player. It is ok admit it. banana

by The Franchise Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:39 pm

Zealous wrote:Rule 16 of Goal Legacy, Franchise hates Ramos :study:

Rule 17 is Cristiano is a fag and 18 Mourinho must die.

Im a equal op hater, you have to give me that.

by Zealous Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:41 pm

I propose an amendment then

Rule 16 Franchise is a hater of Ramos, Cristiano and Mourinho.

(He has a Ramos kit though :study:)

by Jack Daniels Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:41 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:Franchise would look buff in that Ramos kit. Ramos is your favourite player. It is ok admit it.

His favourite is Cristiano.

The more you hate the more you love. albino

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