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Post by Onyx Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:18 pm

Who is the better player at CB when they're at their peak?

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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:42 pm

From what Ive seen Pique, but ramos just got into position
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Post by jibers Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:24 am

mtfootball you are one strange dude
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Post by The Franchise Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:09 am


The guy who is great (mostly) in big matches but a total mess against mediocre opponents.

Or the guy who is great (bit of a stretch) against mediocre opponents but always making a game in the big games?

Spain keeping clean sheets with these two says everything about NT football.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:17 am

Dani, cant you see that they would perfectly complement each other.

Come sign him, i know you want it. Barca taking Ramos the great from madrid (86-87 defense in fifa btw), what a coup for barca. that's like complete troll on madrid
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Post by futbol Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:31 pm

I actually agree that they complement each other very well. Pique's biggest problem is that he struggles 1 vs. 1 but he has a brain and positions himself well. Ramos doesn't have a brain and is a loose cannon but provides the athleticism and aggressiveness that Pique lacks. It also helps when Ramos doesn't play alongside a lunatic like Pepe and is being coached by the calmest and most respectable coach alive.

I would definitely take Ramos to Barca. But then again I'm desperate and traumatized by seeing the likes of Mascherano, Song and Adriano (Laughing) playing there in recent years.

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Post by Pedram Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:45 pm

Fußball wrote:I actually agree that they complement each other very well. Pique's biggest problem is that he struggles 1 vs. 1 but he has a brain and positions himself well. Ramos doesn't have a brain and is a loose cannon but provides the athleticism and aggressiveness that Pique lacks. It also helps when Ramos doesn't play alongside a lunatic like Pepe and is being coached by the calmest and most respectable coach alive.

I would definitely take Ramos to Barca. But then again I'm desperate and traumatized by seeing the likes of Mascherano, Song and Adriano (Laughing) playing there in recent years.

Ramos's athleticism is a myth.
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Post by Valkyrja Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:22 pm

Pedram wrote:
Fußball wrote:I actually agree that they complement each other very well. Pique's biggest problem is that he struggles 1 vs. 1 but he has a brain and positions himself well. Ramos doesn't have a brain and is a loose cannon but provides the athleticism and aggressiveness that Pique lacks. It also helps when Ramos doesn't play alongside a lunatic like Pepe and is being coached by the calmest and most respectable coach alive.

I would definitely take Ramos to Barca. But then again I'm desperate and traumatized by seeing the likes of Mascherano, Song and Adriano (Laughing) playing there in recent years.

Ramos's athleticism is a myth.

Capello said that Ramos could play 4 games a week if needed. he's a freak physically. his problem is his temper.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:38 pm

Ramos problem is his aggression and discipline.... i don't just mean as far as cards go either he's very ill-disciplined in his positioning.

I do agree that he and Pique compliment each other very well though

But in any case it would never happen, Florentino would never allow it despite how much Nick may want it Laughing

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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:44 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Ramos problem is his aggression and discipline.... i don't just mean as far as cards go either he's very ill-disciplined in his positioning.

I do agree that he and Pique compliment each other very well though

But in any case it would never happen, Florentino would never allow it despite how much Nick may want it Laughing


perez and ramos last year talking of a new contract.

ramos: boss i want a big money contract
perez: no
ramos: i have offers from big clubs
perez: then bring me 45 mil and gtfo
ramos: even if it's barca?
perez: u flyin coach or 1st class?

in a nutshell what happened, and no perez doesnt like him that much contrary to what people think.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:50 pm

Even so i still don't see him selling ANYONE to Barca.

Imagine if some of the major sales like Robben, Cambiasso, Makelele etc etc where to Barca? There would be riots Laughing

Tbh Ramos going to Barca would shock me more than any rival transfer in recent memory, i just couldn't see it.
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Post by RealGunner Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:15 pm

Don't want to create a new thread so I'll ask people in here

Ramos Vs Koscielny Vs Pique?

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Post by chad4401 Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:34 pm

you think Koscielny is shit RG? i have seen him give up couple pens, is that what you want to compare?
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Post by RealGunner Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:39 pm

lol I wouldn't say Pique and ramos are shit either.

But some do believe both are better than Koscielny which I wanted to ask from others.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:46 pm

Koscielny is better than Ramos, but they both have the same annoying tendency to stamp out fires when they don't need to.

Which annoys me no end, you are not midfield destroyers ffs.

Pique in big games is the safest bet of the 3, his positioning is the best of the 3 and it shows but also has annoying tendency to lack concentration against teams he's not expected to beat.

If Pique is concentrated he's the best of the 3 but he's unreliable in that regard, just like Ramos and Koscielny rashness and over-aggressive attitudes can also make them unreliable.

I'm going to sit on the fence basically :coffee:
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Post by Kaladin Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:49 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Koscielny is better than Ramos, but they both have the same annoying tendency to stamp out fires when they don't need to.

Which annoys me no end, you are not midfield destroyers ffs.

Pique in big games is the safest bet of the 3, his positioning is the best of the 3 and it shows but also has annoying tendency to lack concentration against teams he's not expected to beat.

If Pique is concentrated he's the best of the 3 but he's unreliable in that regard, just like Ramos and Koscielny rashness and over-aggressive attitudes can also make them unreliable.

I'm going to sit on the fence basically :coffee:

I like this post. I'm gonna go ahead and agree with it
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Post by RealGunner Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:50 pm

I agree Koscielny is aggressive, but the thing he has over Ramos is that he is highly intelligent. His aggressiveness is a hindrance in big games but a valuable asset in others.



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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:53 pm

Agreed RG, its just a pet peeve of mine.

I hate aggressive defenders because more often than not it costs you when it matters.

One slip across the back 4 with one of the defenders not reacting to said defender pushing up and closing the space and you are one pass from destruction.

It's just too risky and if i was a fan it would scare the shit out of me.
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Post by jibers Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:00 pm

Ramos is on Baresi's level. He had a bad game in the last classico but I believe in Sergio Dent.
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Post by chad4401 Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:44 pm

RealGunner wrote:lol I wouldn't say Pique and ramos are shit either.

But some do believe both are better than Koscielny which I wanted to ask from others.


koscielny is better than ramos, since he can actually read the plays he just tend to be a bit over aggressive when he trying to stop moves from happening, ramos can't read anything unless its clear as day otherwise its late reaction pen and red or just mental break down, pique as much as i can't stand that derp face idiot, when he concentrates he stomps out problems before they even occur with an interception or great tackle, he also very good at making last ditch tackles (when he concentrates).
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:52 am

Laurent Koscielny without a doubt is the best CB of the three. As much as I'd like to say Ramos, his lack of intelligence cannot have me rate him above the Frenchmen. Pique? I don't care how good he is in big games, if half the time you are ball watching and getting pawned in small games, that inconsistency does not compel me to rate him above Ramos, who in all his mistakes is far more consistent. For España Ramos at RB or CB is far better than Pique who has been average for us since 2010 WC (note, Puyol...) as I've wanted him benched for quite a while now.

Pique has the same problem as Juve's Bonnuci. Immaculate skill on the ball yet flop vs provincial teams due to their poor concentration lapses and focus yet perform in the big games.
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Post by Mamad Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:04 am

Ramos lacks brain and does risky moves all the time. you don't want that in a CB. it's why he always has problem against clever strikers.

The thing is i don't even believe he is very good at athleticism. yeah he has some muscles and he is in a fantastic shape but that's it. he is not that fast and he is not strong physically. every strong CF out there can dominate him.

he just acts like tough and strong CB but he is not.
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