Italian Midfield in EURO 2012

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
Well i get what you're saying but i wasnt talking about his attitude in general..I mean for example i have seen Rooney getting frustrated many times when he does not see the ball often..He clearly likes to work with the ball and take on opposition defenders and Balotelli imo falls in the same category and his attitude just makes it worse although in time he will eventually learn to calm himself down i hope..

Whereas Pazzini is well acquainted with his role as a CF as i have already explained above as he provides the much needed box presence and this right place in the right time mentality something which Balotelli could eventually develop as for me he is a very complete forward..He has all the talent in this world but he just needs to harness it..

And i really hope he sees more game action with Tevez frozen out of the squad also to add dzeko's recent problems with Mancini ,who knows he could become a central figure in Mancio's plans along with Aguero..But its just all speculation i suppose..

Well ,regarding Pirlo ?Definitely can understand where you're coming from..But remember that Azzurri always play a three-man midfield and with the likes of De Rossi and Marchisio i guess there is enough defensive cover..It is similar to the system which was employed under Milan under Ancelotti and also to consider both De Rossi and Marchisio are relatively young and are absolute workhorses..

Also for me Pirlo's sleek passing and vision is ever so important to the team as for me he is the only one player capable of doing in the squad so efficiently..Currently he's hardly showing any signs of age having an effect of his form but hopefully he keeps his fitness in time for the euros..

But like you said Monty could also be tried out in that position for certain games but as of now he is reveling in the TQ role in the qualifiers as well as friendlies i must add..

I'm sure we'll eventually find a replacement for Pirlo but "currently" there is no one who has the ability to perform in the regista role as Pirlo is able to do..I hope you get what i'm saying..

McLewis wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

McLewis wrote:

- I will give you Italy 2006 as they were absolute quality. England were just limited.
- 2008 Italy were average at best, but did well against Spain. England were simply shambolic.
- 2010 Italy was ridiculously poor, but at least England made it out of their group, if only to get destroyed by ze Germans.
- 2012 is inconclusive as it hasn't even happened yet.

So you're 2 out of 4.

As I said, Italy are NOT miles better than England.

Stop sensationalizing.

Makes no difference if you ask me, Italy qualfied at the end, while England failed to do so. Which was an embarresement for them. In 2010, fine, we got elminated first, but then again, England were just as poor as Italy per say as they were eliminated early too.

Our squad now speaks for itsself, I'm not claiming we're winning the Euro's which is completely ridiculous, but what I'm saying is, we already qualified as England hasn't. Our defensive and offensive record is better than England.

Miles or not, Italy are currently better.

So you admit that Italy are not "miles" better. Good.

That's what I was looking for.

Carry on.

Ade wrote:Hope we get a show down vs Italy in Euros

Inb4 that remaining 25% gets deleted along with the 7000k posts or so which seem to have left to.

Potential wrote:
Italy are light years ahead of England.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

McLewis wrote:Italy are not "miles" better than England.

You really shouldn't sensationalize.

As I said, since 2006 speaking yes they are.

2006: Won the World Cup
2008: Qualified for the Euro's as England didn't
2010: Both failed
2012: Italy qualified, England not

omarish wrote:4 World Cups > 1 World Cup

Jog on England

Messiakanino wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

McLewis wrote:Italy are not "miles" better than England.

You really shouldn't sensationalize.

As I said, since 2006 speaking yes they are.

2006: Won the World Cup
2008: Qualified for the Euro's as England didn't
2010: Both failed
2012: Italy qualified, England not

Okay you make the English look bad with the way you put it. If u wanna bring out stats, England did way better than Italy in the last major tournament and that's a fact. So how can u say Italy are miles better than England when in the last major tournament they did better than Italy.
...............Italy.............................................England
2006: World Cup Winners........................................Quarter Finals
2008: Quarter Finals................................................N/A
2010: Last in arguable weakest Group.......................Round 16
2012: Qualified........................................................Will Qualify with 1 more point

In 2006 all of Italy's best were at the top of their games....Buffon, Pirlo, Cannavaro, Totti, Zambrotta , Nesta, Del Pierro, Toni..etc.....Few teams were better than Italy at the time.
The rest of the the tournaments they've been fairly equal.....so u cannot say Italy are miles better than England.....

And plus why are you bringing the past into account if you're trying to argue that Italy are currently better than England?

Luca wrote:If we are talking from 2006, Italy is miles better, how can you argue with a world cup win versus not even the semi-finals...

If we are talking from 2010 its a different story.
Other than that I really don't get this, you guys are brushing off a world cup win and versus quarter finals in 2006 but mentioning that Italy failed to advance from the group stages in 2010 while England went one step further and claim it is an achievement.

Smh...

schnix wrote:DDR Pirlo Marchisio

Giovinco deserves a call-up to be a trequartista, or interchange with Cassano/Rossi

Buffon
Schelotto Bonucci Chiellini Criscito
DDR Pirlo Marchisio
Giovinco
Rossi Cassano

Montolivo on the bench. he's been quite shite since euro 2008 (and since he left Roma)

jk about Schelotto for now, but he is going to be awesome someday

Messiakanino wrote:Exactly what I'm saying. You cannot bring historical stats and claim your team is currently better than England.

schnix wrote:DDR Pirlo Marchisio

Giovinco deserves a call-up to be a trequartista, or interchange with Cassano/Rossi

Buffon
Schelotto Bonucci Chiellini Criscito
DDR Pirlo Marchisio
Giovinco
Rossi Cassano

Montolivo on the bench. he's been quite shite since euro 2008 (and since he left Roma)

jk about Schelotto for now, but he is going to be awesome someday

Messiakanino wrote:Exactly what I'm saying. You cannot bring historical stats and claim your team is currently better than England.

Luca wrote:

Messiakanino wrote:Exactly what I'm saying. You cannot bring historical stats and claim your team is currently better than England.

Currently I wouldn't say there is much between them, I would still blindly favour Italy though

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

Luca wrote:

Messiakanino wrote:Exactly what I'm saying. You cannot bring historical stats and claim your team is currently better than England.

Currently I wouldn't say there is much between them, I would still blindly favour Italy though

Stats speak otherwise.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

As I said, since 2006 speaking yes they are.

2006: Won the World Cup
2008: Qualified for the Euro's as England didn't
2010: Both failed
2012: Italy qualified, England not

Messiakanino wrote:

schnix wrote:DDR Pirlo Marchisio

Giovinco deserves a call-up to be a trequartista, or interchange with Cassano/Rossi

Buffon
Schelotto Bonucci Chiellini Criscito
DDR Pirlo Marchisio
Giovinco
Rossi Cassano

Montolivo on the bench. he's been quite shite since euro 2008 (and since he left Roma)

jk about Schelotto for now, but he is going to be awesome someday

Maggio is a sure starter.

Messiakanino wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

Luca wrote:

Messiakanino wrote:Exactly what I'm saying. You cannot bring historical stats and claim your team is currently better than England.

Currently I wouldn't say there is much between them, I would still blindly favour Italy though

Stats speak otherwise.

how do stats speak otherwise CURRENTLY?
Don't bring up 4-5 years ago....tell me what ur basing your claim on?
I agree with Luca, there isn't much between them until they play each other and prove whose better or atleast till the next major tournament.

BeautifulGame wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

As I said, since 2006 speaking yes they are.

2006: Won the World Cup
2008: Qualified for the Euro's as England didn't
2010: Both failed
2012: Italy qualified, England not

Italy is miles better than England because of results in competitive games but Germany isnt better than Italy because they drew in a friendly.Twisting logics to suit ur argument

Doesnt using these similar stats show Germany miles ahead of Italy?

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

schnix wrote:DDR Pirlo Marchisio

Giovinco deserves a call-up to be a trequartista, or interchange with Cassano/Rossi

Buffon
Schelotto Bonucci Chiellini Criscito
DDR Pirlo Marchisio
Giovinco
Rossi Cassano

Montolivo on the bench. he's been quite shite since euro 2008 (and since he left Roma)

jk about Schelotto for now, but he is going to be awesome someday

Though... Schelotto is an LW/LB not an RW/RB lol...

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

As I said, since 2006 speaking yes they are.

2006: Won the World Cup
2008: Qualified for the Euro's as England didn't
2010: Both failed
2012: Italy qualified, England not

Italy is miles better than England because of results in competitive games but Germany isnt better than Italy because they drew in a friendly.Twisting logics to suit ur argument

Doesnt using these similar stats show Germany miles ahead of Italy?

Miles ahead? Do you know how to read? go to page 3, and read the posts thanks.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Yes my mistake, I got confused with Diego Contento.