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Post by Helmer Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:19 am

I would clearly accept this, I always wanted someone like Carlo over Klopp.
Speaking about Klopp, who faced heavy criticism here on GL unlike current support to Arteta. He received criticism only because Liverpool fans were saying, we see progress and he deserves more time. Obviously bringing correct players makes a difference to any club. Without brining any of those players, Klopp defeated ManCity 4-1 at Etihad, reached league cup final and lost to City on penalties, on the way to Europa league final he defeated likes of ManUtd and Dortmund. The thing where Klopp deserves credit is, he did not fall for "spend millions, sign players and then win trophies" and second thing, he had courage to wait for the right players and wait couple of windows. Klopp wanted some German guy over Salah but when Salah came, he made Salah reach his potential. After doing everything, Klopp still faces very heavy criticism and that is correct because Klopp has done many wrong thigns along the way.

Anyways, I supported Arteta when not a single Arsenal fan was supporting him at that time and all I am questioning now is "whether Arteta has a ceiling as a manager because of his attitude and mentality".

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Post by Clutch Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:21 pm

Thimmy wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I firmly recall both GL and other places on the internet expressing doubts about Klopp before the club brought in Van Dijk, Salah and the rest of what would become the core of a rather dominant team. The story's the same for Arteta, although I personally think he has a few holes in his team compared to prime Liverpool under Klopp. Whether or not that's his fault is... it's always the manager, isn't it? Laughing
I think the big difference is that Klopp has been a Manager for much longer and was very successful with dortmund, so there was at least proof of success wheras arteta is a bigger risk with lack of proof

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Post by Thimmy Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:42 am

Clutch wrote:
Thimmy wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I firmly recall both GL and other places on the internet expressing doubts about Klopp before the club brought in Van Dijk, Salah and the rest of what would become the core of a rather dominant team. The story's the same for Arteta, although I personally think he has a few holes in his team compared to prime Liverpool under Klopp. Whether or not that's his fault is... it's always the manager, isn't it? Laughing
I think the big difference is that Klopp has been a Manager for much longer and was very successful with dortmund, so there was at least proof of success wheras arteta is a bigger risk with lack of proof


That's a very good point. I do generally feel like managers who've only had success with a single club before they become the manager of a top club in one of the 4 leagues, largely rely on some luck with transfers or the quality of the team they inherit in order to prolong their status as elite, though. If they get their transfers right, the only way is up.

Andre Villas Boas is an example of one who inherited a rather underwhelming, aging and under-performing team that somehow went on to win the Champions League under replacement manager, Di Matteo, who no one seems to rate despite how great a feat that was lol.

I haven't kept close track of what either of them have been doing since then, but Villas Boas seemed to have fallen off the radar after accepting offers where the odds were stacked against him, while Di Matteo similarly became the manager of a Schalke side that I remember was struggling in the league at the time. I have no clue what he's been doing since then, but as far as I can tell, they both made awful choices after their initial successes.

Regardless of whether it's blame or praise, Arteta and Klopp's fortunes both changed once they brought in players who presumably either allowed them to play more in the style that they wanted to play, or simply upped the quality of the squad. Some might say that's a coincidence, but I think that only goes to show that while managers can definitely make a difference through their management and organization of a team, I'm definitely not subscribed to the Rincon belief that a truly good manager can turn any kind of scrap into gold. A lot of Man United fans seem to share that belief, but unless Ratcliffe and his team manage to quickly overhaul the actual squad and approach to transfers, I won't be surprised if they have to wait a decade longer for the success and entertainment that they expect.
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Post by Nishankly Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:45 pm

Thimmy wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I firmly recall both GL and other places on the internet expressing doubts about Klopp before the club brought in Van Dijk, Salah and the rest of what would become the core of a rather dominant team. The story's the same for Arteta, although I personally think he has a few holes in his team compared to prime Liverpool under Klopp. Whether or not that's his fault is... it's always the manager, isn't it? Laughing


The issue with something that Klopp always has been his stubbornness/arrogance and loving his players to a fault. It's his team selection in key games and faith in fringe not good enough squad players that annoyed a lot of people. Klopp doesn't work with a big budget beyond the starting 11 so there is always something missing when he benches key players. Players like Keita, Ox, Milner, Firmino, Hendo were all to be moved a year prior of leaving but Klopp put his foot down against FSG and lost them for peanuts.

Big example was the Bayern CL game at Anfield where he rested Trent lmao, it ended 0-0, we won the return 3-1 and Trent had two assists. I think Unique was the only vocal Klopp out here. I was always Klopp sort it out even during the "desperate" times. The "desperate" times being Klopp not changing his system if nothing worked, it was Plan A and then subs to try Plan A again.

Arteta on the other hand is an immature clown and an extremely high ceiling the moment he finds his calling and stops ManCing things. We really need to stop drawing parallels between Arteta and Klopp because Klopp is in a different galaxy.

A LOT of people forget that Klopp signed 0 PLAYERS in his first year. He said he wanted to work with each player INDIVIVUALLY before making a decision. This was after we finished 8th in the league. It allowed players like Lallana to find their new calling. Can Arteta do that? He certainly does not come that culture.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:00 pm

S3xy A$$ goal by Bernardo Very Happy N almost a second as well Very Happy Man C are cruising...
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Post by Myesyats Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:01 pm

Man City in the build up are so op, watching barca the other day felt like the U15s in comparison :facepalm:
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:10 pm

Wow, Newcastle two carbon copy goals lol... Kyle Walkings defending for the second was like thinking lightning cant strike twice n just jogged along wtf Razz
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:59 pm

Need some De Bruyne magic, come on....
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:09 pm

DE BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:25 pm

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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:27 pm

My god, De Bruyne basically ran the whole game as soon as he came on, just amazing Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Often when a top player is out for a while he can come back hungry n firing straight away Very Happy Basically Man C should be safe now as long as hes fit Very Happy

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Post by Vibe Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:27 pm

De Bruyne is such a brilliant player, I thought he was done tbh.
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Post by Thimmy Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:31 pm

He is a brilliant player, but he’s been fit to play since december according to reports. They didn’t want to rush him back into action, which probably means that he’s both fit and well rested by now.

I’m happy to see Oscar Bobb play well also. I hadn’t even heard about him until he got his debut for them this season. He’s made good use of his time on the pitch.
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Post by Vibe Sun Jan 14, 2024 5:21 pm

Hojlund and Rashford with some chemistry for the first time
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Post by El Gunner Sun Jan 14, 2024 6:29 pm

Spurs win that game 5-2 if Maddison and Son were playing
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jan 14, 2024 6:48 pm

Finally Rashford scores. Terrible season and exposed to be a player who is nowhere near world class level.
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Post by Turok_TTZ Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:47 pm



Ah yes i know that sound. Time for donkeys braying about in their league!

Rashford aint sheet. That goal aint worth shit for nothing since his team didnt beat the mighty spurs. #MoYeSBACK when?

Shame newcastle didnt clown the hipster yesterday but that game was more exciting than manure vs lolspurs.

I wanna skip everton vs aston villa. Is it safe to skip?
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Post by Glory Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:36 pm

Arquitecto wrote:Finally Rashford scores. Terrible season and exposed to be a player who is nowhere near world class level.


There was once a player in him who could have become elite level. Hungry, humble and willing to work hard. Was a big fan. Coming from the academy and everything. Unfortunately the guy got into the wrong clique of posers like Pogba and Lingard. Never been the same since then. Now at 26 years old that train has far left the station.
For the love of God Real please buy Mbappe so that we can send this guy away to psg. His ego will suit them perfectly. Him and Bruno are the biggest problem for us right now.

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Post by Arquitecto Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:22 pm

Unfortunately, reviews of youngster that go beyond their worth and talent along with the recent hype of him based on his off-field activities clearly got to his head. Personally never saw any player in his particularly special but a good player he was.

"Good player" a rare term in football given someone is either deemed world class or rubbish.

There just exists no leadership in United and surprised Rashford did not progress ahead when he was in the same locker as Cristiano.

His ship has mostly sailed for what he "could" have been so I agree.
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Post by Firenze Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:00 pm

I forgot that if PSG lose Mbappe they could actually be the only club willing to drop 100M for Rashford

please, FUCKING PLEASE. I will become a PSG fan if they do that. Otherwise I don't want to watch him stinking it up at United for the next 4 years.
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Post by Glory Wed Jan 17, 2024 6:18 pm

Yea and I am 100% sure that they will come for him. Them or Barcelona. Wink Them too have a thing for headless pace merchants in recent years. The justification for buying him would be it is United ruining Rashford like United's been ruining players. He may even thrive at those clubs, I mean change of scenery, weaker league and all(in case of psg) but whatever happens, at United its more or less written now. It simply wont work out.

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Post by Thimmy Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:37 pm

Glory wrote:Yea and I am 100% sure that they will come for him. Them or Barcelona. Wink Them too have a thing for headless pace merchants in recent years. The justification for buying him would be it is United ruining Rashford like United's been ruining players. He may even thrive at those clubs, I mean change of scenery, weaker league and all(in case of psg) but whatever happens, at United its more or less written now. It simply wont work out.  


I do think there's some logic to that thinking. I don't believe that Man United ruin players necessarily, but ever since Ferguson retired, you've held on to new signings for too long, and you've brought in players who aren't a fit for new tactical approaches brought on by new managers, so the managers have to adopt their system to the players, rather than the other way around. Recruitment hasn't been good enough to speed things up, and there's not enough patience to allow the team to be built for a certain philosophy. You'd think Mourinho would excel in that environment, since he just forces everyone to play defensively and then complains about the lack of transfers anyway. Rashford has played under a lot of different systems, and he pretty much does the same thing regardless of how they play Laughing I imagine Hojlund will likely benefit from his departure.
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Post by Firenze Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:18 pm

Increasingly looking like City are fucked, you love to see it, Haaaland in the national league south, may watch him play my local team :bow:
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:52 pm

Nothing is going to happen to them. Pipe dreams, dont be naive.
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Post by Thimmy Sat Jan 20, 2024 9:23 pm

In other, Manchester news, Jim Ratcliffe is bringing in Omar Berrada from Manchester City. I’m not familiar with him, but it looks like he was involved in the sporting side of things and worked closely with Txiki Begiristain regarding transfers and contracts.

He will become the chief of administration at Man United - resonsible for commercial and sporting activities. I’m not sure exactly what that role entails, but it’s a great thing that Man United finally have someone who will at least take some responsibility for future transfers and contracts. It’s far too late for this to happen, but better late than never.
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Post by Turok_TTZ Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:44 pm

Oh thats right jim ratcliffe the man with the clout and paper at manure. I bet the manutd fans were real disappointed to get that knob over that saudi prince. I can hear the brayings of lamentation as i type this.

It matters not who he brings in. A donkey club run by donkeys will still operate like a donkey club. drinking
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