The new player-manager-director of football - Kylian Mbappe

futbol_bill wrote:That 140M that Mbappe was supposedly demanding so as to not lose anything if he agreed to leave this summer has just gone up to 200M, in Sportsczy post above!! ! But, then then again, “he’s not in it for the money”, as stated by Sportsczy, a year ago. And speaking about quotes, same Sportsczy said a week ago 70% chance he ends up in Madrid, now saying 80% chance he stays at PSG!!!

Getting real hard to follow this drama soap opera, when numbers and percentages keep changing!

He will come to Madrid eventually (either this year or next). I'm just not sure PSG's ego will allow them to give Madrid a deal that would then allow Madrid to sign Mbappe this year.

Remember that these aren't business people that are money driven. It's all about image and brand for the owner of PSG. Money is very secondary. My sense is that they'd rather eat the money than send Mbappe to Madrid and lose face.

@thimmy... i agree. I'd rather Haaland score a few less goals but really show his talent. At Man City, he's asked to do two things: Hold up the ball and be in the box to get the final ball. It's so very limiting for anyone who watched him at Dortmund. He's fast and athletic. Playing Haaland as a pure poacher (which is what's happening right now) is almost criminal.

Given they won the treble, that's unlikely to change btw. Hopefully Haaland maintains his other skills for the time being.

Ang again, the drama isn't Mbappe... it's PSG.  He signed a contract and is just following the terms of his contract.  Yet somehow PSG feels that's unethical to the club (???).  If the contract wasn't so outrageous, the transfer wouldn't be so difficult.  If PSG owners were business people as opposed to a sovereign fund, the transactions would be more logical and less emotional.

I don't think football passed Mourinho by or that his methods stopped working. He'd still be able to grind out a league title and reach the CL semis with a team like Madrid.

Mourinho's career was derailed/knocked down a tier precisely because he failed to make the prudent career choices that Pep has. It's not like he was looking for a challenge or anything. He just thought he was making a safe bet by joining United, a legacy team that isn't afraid to spend big. He believed he was going to be the face of a rebuild but instead found himself dealing with incompetent management, disinterested owners, and players who never bought into his style.

The failure with Manchester led to an even riskier job with the stingy and perennial losers Spurs. And failing there led to the Conference League...

Mourinho's downfall is that he's an underdog manager (us against the world).  Very hard to sell that if you're managing Real Madrid and Man U.  Also, his man management when it comes to superstars is atrocious.

His effective lifecycle is very short given this style and temperament... 2-3 years max and the last year is often poor.

sportsczy wrote:

futbol_bill wrote:That 140M that Mbappe was supposedly demanding so as to not lose anything if he agreed to leave this summer has just gone up to 200M, in Sportsczy post above!! ! But, then then again, “he’s not in it for the money”, as stated by Sportsczy, a year ago. And speaking about quotes, same Sportsczy said a week ago 70% chance he ends up in Madrid, now saying 80% chance he stays at PSG!!!

Getting real hard to follow this drama soap opera, when numbers and percentages keep changing!

He will come to Madrid eventually (either this year or next). I'm just not sure PSG's ego will allow them to give Madrid a deal that would then allow Madrid to sign Mbappe this year.

Remember that these aren't business people that are money driven. It's all about image and brand for the owner of PSG. Money is very secondary. My sense is that they'd rather eat the money than send Mbappe to Madrid and lose face.

By the same token, there is face to be lost in losing Mbappe for free. No matter how you approach it, there's an explanation that plays into the narrative that the argument is looking for.

Ultimately, trying to predict how any of them will react to anything is a wasted exercise. If the owners forced the manager to only play Mbappe for the bare minimum they need to to prevent him from being able to terminate the contract, would he still be so hard set on seeing out the year. Or if he were frozen out by being forced to train with the youth team while the club manufactures disciplinary bases to fine him every week. No matter who holds the cards/leverage, each can make the other suffer in their own way, so it's in everyone's interest to make some sort of deal, Madrid or otherwise, to end this shitshow

French law is pretty hard when it comes to pro players... and not to mention Mbappe is a french hero and that's an issue for PSG.

He has to participate in something like 4 of the 38 Ligue 1 games and the same percentage for other competitions.
He has to get the same training and treatment as all the first-teamers, no exception.
Here's the big kicker... there has to be a provable "sporting or behavioral issue" to not allow the player to play.

I don't think Mbappe gives a damn frankly.  According to RMC, he's more than happy to stay in the "loft" as they call it in France and prepare for the Euro and Olympics next summer.  He actually couldn't play the Olympics otherwise lol.... too many games.  If PSG freeze him out, he can spend all year getting ready.  In a way, he may even prefer it if PSG play hard ball. It would allow for his "olympic dream" as he put it.

Mou is a madman like Conte, their persona is too strong they cannot avoid a clash sooner or later. That's why they cannot build long term success (anymore) not because they are worse tacticians than Pay-To-Win-Pep

they talk about Mbappe 100x more in Spain media than France media

It's unbelievable. Marca has a Mbappe obssession.

Vibe wrote:I could say Pep should stick to harrassing African players or something, but that is beside the point.

Fact is, Pep is winning races, but he's won in a Lamborgini, Ferrari and a Bugatti. Mourinho managed to win in a freaking Citroen. On the first attempt.

And that is why they are not in the same conversation, because Guardiola hasn't arrived yet.

I can’t believe the words that you’re saying. You kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?!

There will no drama between Vini and Mbappe. Both will coexist and our managerial team will figure out how both of them will play together.

There's 0 chance Vini moves to the right, Mbappe on the left with Joselu as the striker. Vini-Mbappe-Rodrygo will be the front 3 with Brahim, Joselu, Guler backing them up.

I have full confidence Carlo and his team will figure it out. That's what they are paid to do.

Perucho21 wrote:There will no drama between Vini and Mbappe. Both will coexist and our managerial team will figure out how both of them will play together.

There's 0 chance Vini moves to the right, Mbappe on the left with Joselu as the striker. Vini-Mbappe-Rodrygo will be the front 3 with Brahim, Joselu, Guler backing them up.

I have full confidence Carlo and his team will figure it out. That's what they are paid to do.

I hope you are right!

I have heard that Carlo is considering going with just the two forwards given the abundance of quality midfielders, which would help.

Again, Mbappe will only come if he gets exactly what he wants in terms of how he's played. It's not just Madrid out there, despite what some of you say. Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have all made it clear that, upon given a signal, they will bid. Man City as well... but they also need a signal from Mbappe that he would consider them.

The market is very healthy for Mbappe's services. Madrid should not feel confident if they want Mbappe to compromise... he won't.

Lol, Sports just because you keep saying it, doesn’t make it true or are you again claiming to have insider info! Lol.

Chelsea and Liverpool out of CL. ManU with current owner don’t have financial capability and when new owners are in, the UEFA rule will prohibit them from dealing with PSG. That leaves only Arsenal and with what they have already spent, it is highly doubtful if they have the finances. Of course, you say owner has billions, but you saying what owner has vs club and what he might be willing to invest is a whole different story. Bottom line to me is it is between Madrid and PSG. Will Mbappe really dig in his heels for position? I think that is highly debatable especially given how they are discussing the abundance of midfielders and how deploying 4 of them will assist the duo up front!

They are now considering Rodrygo, Brahim and Güler midfielders, i.e. capable to play as part of the 4 man mid. I even saw one configuration that went with 3 defense and a 5 man midfield. There is no doubt they are going to experiment in formations, especially with the abundance of midfield talent they now have and an added Mbappe.

You know we have been talking about internal competition for years and now we have it. Between this year and next, it is going to be interesting how this midfield pans out. I’m excited and if they can add Davies next season, who is more of a wing back that a fullback it only adds to this already young talented squad. Let’s hope there will also be some talent for the right side. Plus we will see the arrival of Endick next season as well, although like with Vinicius and Rodrygo, it will take a couple of years to see what he can add.

I don't claim anything Bill. These are media reporters who actually have always gotten the scoop from the Mbappe clan that are saying it. Daniel Riolo to be exact.

ÚLTIMA HORA MBAPPÉ

Florentino Pérez y Nasser Al Khelaifi tuvieron AYER una REUNIÓN.

Kylian Mbappé NO viajará a la gira de Japón.

El deseo del Real Madrid es que la estrella parisina esté PRESENTE en el Clásico de Estados Unidos.

¡Fin boom! ¡Al lío! SHHHHH pic.twitter.com/lQElBxjtfw

— François Gallardo (@F_GallardoTV) July 21, 2023

I'm surprisee they haven't sold him yet. He obviously wants to move to Real, and they'd get a load of money for him if they sell him. But if they don't sell him this summer, then he'll leave for free next summer.

He's acheived everything he (realistically) can at PSG. He's there all-time top goalscorer, has won all French cups and the league multiple times. So it's the right time for him to move on.

Any idea how far Madrid and PSG are apart in Mbappe's evaluation? Evaluation means f all but still the price that both say yes for ?

Helmer wrote:Any idea how far Madrid and PSG are apart in Mbappe's evaluation? Evaluation means f all but still the price that both say yes for ?

Nothing but posturing this week as a huge bonus is due to Mbappe on July 31. PSG is demanding 200M and reports say Perez will initially offer 100M! Madrid is in the driver seat, as they already have full agreement with Mbappe meeting his request. No matter what you hear, there is no other club, nor nation (lol), for this year able to satisfy Mbappe, and meet financial capabilities.

PSG has overplayed their hand and already are in trouble with French labor laws. Their options are to put Mbappe back in squad, which after what they have done, is highly unlikely; keep Mbappe but not play him, which will likely lead to constructive dismissal lawsuit, or to negotiate a price with RMad. And both the first two options will lead to nothing for them next summer. And finally they will likely try another “break the bank” renewal offer.

They might also try to renege on bonus payment and that for sure will lead to a lawsuit aka Neymar.

Bottom line, negotiations with Madrid won’t really begin until Aug 1st. My opinion is they will likely settle around 140 - 150M as although Madrid could wait a year, there will be a lot of competition if left to 2024.

Madrid is just as anxious to buy as PSG is to sell mainly because there are a lot more potential clubs in the mix next summer. Many can afford the 150 million signing bonus and wages. Also, Real Madrid does not trust that Mbappe will stay the course next summer. Again, he hasn't promised Real Madrid anything other than this summer (same situation as in 2021)... so Madrid wants to finish this.

In France, the rumor is that the deal is already done. If it happens this week, the amount will be less because Madrid will be the one paying Mbappe a bonus. If it happens after July 31, it will be more because PSG has to pay the bonus. That's the variable.

Regardless of who pays what, the deal will be in the neighborhood of 200-250 million, 80-100 million of which will go into Mbappe's pockets and the rest to PSG. That's the rumor.

Seeing a lot of people taking Saudi links seriously. Does anyone actually believe he would go?

No.   Julien Lauaren and Riolo have both said that Mbappe hasn't even bothered calling them and he hasn't received a call from Saudi.  Already rejected.

Per Lauren, Mbappe knows he'll be a billionaire sooner or later in his football career.   He's not willing to give up 1 year of his career to get there sooner.  Also, he does not want to become marginalized for 1 year by being in the Saudi league.  Besides getting paid, he said that Mbappe is obsessed with reaching his personal and team trophy objectives.  At 24, he knows he has max 10 years to do it.

So no news here.

It will be interesting to see what happens next week imo. According to reports, no direct contact between PSG and Madrid but intermediaries have been speaking for weeks.

That’s an absolutely ridiculous amount of money that was offered. It’s kinda messed up PSG are not respecting his right to finish out his contract.

Very funny commentary from Madrid fans mostly and many others...

So Mbappe has been at the same club for 6+ years now and stayed in one youth academy (Monaco) for another 5 years before that.  In essence, he's stayed at 2 clubs since the age of 13.  He was with AS Bondy, the club his father coaches, before that.

Yet, he's accused of being a mercenary (which is the exact OPPOSITE of what he's doing), disloyal (how can he be loyal to a club he never joined?), and greedy (because Messi, CR, Neymar, Ibra, etc. were/are not).

Not to mention he's French and he's able to play at the highest level close to his family and friends.

Amazing.

The fault is on Madrid for playing their cards too hard this summer.  He was available in June.  Yes, he would have cost 200 million.  But Flo assumed PSG would be forced to take a lower price late in the transfer window.  Saudi money took all that leverage away.  Now, Madrid has no 9 and PSG has zero intention to sell for less than... 300 million lol.   And Mbappe can choose wherever he wants to go next summer, which isn't necessarily Madrid.

The world is different.   Players dictate their own future, not the clubs anymore.  Clubs need to get wise to this.