Re: EURO 2020 - Group F

by Kaladin Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:30 am

rincon wrote:Germany lost to all-powerful France by an own goal last night. Wouldn't call them terrible, game could have turned out differently without Hummels mistake.

They've been terrible for the past year, they got trounced 6-0 by Spain of all NTs ffs

They won't make it to the semis this year, quote me on it

by rincon Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:35 am

I don't think they make it to the semis either, but that's not really being terrible. They have the toughest draw in the tournament.

If they get 3rd place from their group (likely imo) they can be paired with a top team in the next round again.

Still I expect them to play any team to a good level, like last night.

by Hapless_Hans Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:36 am

This team has lost any sense of spirit and structure. Löw should of course have left after the World Cup at the latest. Playing a 5 man defense now not to get massacred, it's just really poor

I mean, just put up this team

Neuer
Süle Hummels Rüdiger Gosens
Kimmich Goretzka/Gündogan
Sané Müller Gnabry
Havertz

They will know how to play, no nonsense needed

by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:53 am

I agree with Hans, this is what I said to my mates yesterday evening as well:
They obviously have no idea how to connect the defense to the offense in the 5 man defense system.

Just switch back to a 4-2-3-1, it won us the world cup and any time we tried something else, we got trounced.

I mean ultimately, I think all Germans are just waiting for Löw to leave so the NT can unlearn that shit.

by Robespierre Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:20 am

Tbf Gosens made the difference in 3-5-2 at Atalanta, not a real fullback but "wing " for this system and he is dominant here .. I suppose the rest of team would take benefict from change though

by The Franchise Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 am

Could have easily been 3 goals to none if not for some close offside calls and France didnt even look very fluent (to nobody's surprise).

No doubt Deschamps will continue with this pragmatism to the bitter end.

Benzema is defiantly cursed. Never wanted a Madrid player to do so well and end up disappointed at the end of it.

by Myesyats Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:59 am

rincon wrote:Germany lost to all-powerful France by an own goal last night. Wouldn't call them terrible, game could have turned out differently without Hummels mistake.

Penalty for france not called and close offsides. I dont think Germany had a serious go at the goal. It couldve easily been 3,4-0 with more luck

by El Gunner Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:25 pm

CBarca wrote:The only people who are in these squads from Barca from a quick memory check is Griezmann and Ter Stegen. If you thought I was referring to either of them with my comment, you're mistaken. I was making fun of the American commentator Taylor Twellman, who I hate, and who is bad at the job that he does.

But then again I find every American commentator or pundit absolutely woeful at football. They're fine in other sports.

lmaoo i thought Twelmann was supposed to be some pantsy nickname for Griezmann Laughing

and that you were referring to Griezmann's late-game hustle tackle which was pretty good

by El Gunner Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:29 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:This team has lost any sense of spirit and structure. Löw should of course have left after the World Cup at the latest. Playing a 5 man defense now not to get massacred, it's just really poor

I mean, just put up this team

Neuer
Süle Hummels Rüdiger Gosens
Kimmich Goretzka/Gündogan
Sané Müller Gnabry
Havertz

They will know how to play, no nonsense needed

that team looks reasonably good
but where is the new generation of Germans? are they not able to come through with the proper quality
and why hasn't Germany been able to produce a proper number 9 and finisher since Klose?

by Kaladin Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm

ter Stegan
Ginter-Hummels-Rüdiger
Kimmich-Goretzka-Kroos-Gündogan-Gosens
Havertz-Muller

This is Germany's best formation IMO

by Art Morte Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:15 pm

Watched the Ger Fra game this morning.

1. Hummels should do a lot better than score an own goal there. Really poor.

2. Germany played overall better, but so very inefficient.

3. Werner is hilariously bad.

4. Sane is only good when he's got the ball, such a lazy and unintelligent player off the ball.

5. Löw should have made attacking subs way earlier.

by M99 Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:30 pm

Scoreline is flattering to Germany. They looked clueless in attack but was surprisingly solid in midfield. Kevin Volland coming and playing LWB sums up Low's tactics. They should thank their stars it ended only 1-0, increases their chances of being one of the best 3rd placed teams and advance to the last 16.

by BarcaLearning Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:51 pm

I cant remember exactly since I never supported Germany, but they consistently make it to the final stages bar the last one so I guess everyone knows them to an extend. In attack they havent had a prolific scorer for years, Muller was their scorer and Klose was amazing since he was there for so long, but he didnt score much apart from 1998 iirc Razz

Kroos scored some of their vital goals, so up front now they are lacking a bit in terms of a pure scorer. But as others said they definitely dont lack players who can score, just havent found the right mix to maximise what they have now prolly, or maybe they do need to find a scoring no.9 Razz

by futbol_bill Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:46 pm

The consensus of the GL critics is getting beyond ridiculous to almost comical. First it was Spain and now Germany. Because they can’t score, these critics put these teams down as if they were Luxembourg or Andorra or Liechtenstein. Granted neither team will likely win the tournament, but the comments are over the top. These teams have consistently been in the top 8 in Europe and their play in these games do not put them outside of that traditional rating. This group F is the group of death and France overwhelmingly favorite. Given that background, the result yesterday is not unexpected and an impressive showing for Germany. The real battle should be between Germany and Portugal. Portugal by the way just managed to tie Spain in a recent Euro warmup game. A game that they were extremely outplayed and only managed to tie because the noted inability of Morata to find the net. So bottom line to me is who really knows who will get 2nd in this group.

by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:06 pm

The Franchise wrote:Could have easily been 3 goals to none if not for some close offside calls and France didnt even look very fluent (to nobody's surprise).

I mean that's a bit of a big "if" - without being offside, those strikers wouldn't have gotten away from the defenders marking them, all three German defenders actually played quite well, own goal aside.

No doubt Deschamps will continue with this pragmatism to the bitter end.

Benzema is defiantly cursed. Never wanted a Madrid player to do so well and end up disappointed at the end of it.

It happens, France aren't set up to just give infinite service to one striker.

by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:08 pm

BarcaLearning wrote:I cant remember exactly since I never supported Germany, but they consistently make it to the final stages bar the last one so I guess everyone knows them to an extend. In attack they havent had a prolific scorer for years, Muller was their scorer and Klose was amazing since he was there for so long, but he didnt score much apart from 1998 iirc Kroos scored some of their vital goals, so up front now they are lacking a bit in terms of a pure scorer. But as others said they definitely dont lack players who can score, just havent found the right mix to maximise what they have now prolly, or maybe they do need to find a scoring no.9

Gnabry so far scores more than 0.5 goals per match for Germany, Klose scored a lot in 2014 and 2010 as well, Müller as well, though never at the Euros. We had one of Europe's best all-out strikers in Mario Gomez, but Löw hated him, because his goals don't look pretty.

ATM Germany are just hamstrung by Löw, the second he's gone, we'll start winning again. Those poor players obviously didn't know what to do when in possession, but you only have to look at the touches, and the defending that our midfielders are capable of to realize Germany is still very strong.

That being said, at this Euros, we'll go out in this group stage, or at the LATEST in the quarter final. No chance of going to the semis, not with Löw.

by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:10 pm

futbol_bill wrote:The consensus of the GL critics is getting beyond ridiculous to almost comical. First it was Spain and now Germany. Because they can’t score, these critics put these teams down as if they were Luxembourg or Andorra or Liechtenstein. Granted neither team will likely win the tournament, but the comments are over the top. These teams have consistently been in the top 8 in Europe and their play in these games do not put them outside of that traditional rating. This group F is the group of death and France overwhelmingly favorite. Given that background, the result yesterday is not unexpected and an impressive showing for Germany. The real battle should be between Germany and Portugal. Portugal by the way just managed to tie Spain in a recent Euro warmup game. A game that there were extremely outplayed and only managed to tie because the noted inability of Morata to find the net. So bottom line to me is who really knows who will get 2nd in this group.

This.

I expect Germany to win against Portugal and then for no reason lose to Hungary, and go out. I don't know why, it's just my gut feeling.

That being said, I'm incredibly happy with our squad and incredibly unhappy with the coaching. I don't know what relative measurements people use, but Germany weren't poor yesterday, and France weren't underperforming. It was a tight match by two evenly matched sides, where the favorites won in the end.

by El Gunner Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:05 pm

relax, i don't think anyone here said Germany are pants. They're just not that good anymore because what used to be key players like Kroos and Muller are older and past their prime, and there hasn't really been a promising influx of youth in recent years besides Gnabry. Sane is hopelessly always never in form... does he even still play consistently for Bayern these days?? And players like Kimmich, Goretzka and Gundogan are workhorses and team players not difference makers.

I say Portugal gets 2nd place in the group.

by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:11 pm

Kimmich is very much a difference maker, bit early to tell for Goretzka, and Gündogan has been arguably City's best player for much of the season, so dunno what you're on about.

But yeah Portugal will prolly get 2nd place in the group, agreed.

by CBarca Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:39 pm

Not sure how this isn't a bigger story, btw, how was Pavard even allowed to continue?

Football continues to treat head injuries like they're an absolute joke. So soon after the Eriksen incident too. You would think we would be prioritizing player health.

by El Gunner Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:48 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Kimmich is very much a difference maker, bit early to tell for Goretzka, and Gündogan has been arguably City's best player for much of the season, so dunno what you're on about.

But yeah Portugal will prolly get 2nd place in the group, agreed.

maybe we have different views of difference makers then.
My difference makers are Mbappe, Benzema, Ronaldo, De Bruyne, Foden to name some in this tournament.. players who can go off at any moment with a worldie from out of nowhere or create a goal out of nothing.

by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:11 am

VivaStPauli wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Could have easily been 3 goals to none if not for some close offside calls and France didnt even look very fluent (to nobody's surprise).
I mean that's a bit of a big "if" - without being offside, those strikers wouldn't have gotten away from the defenders marking them, all three German defenders actually played quite well, own goal aside.

No doubt Deschamps will continue with this pragmatism to the bitter end.

Benzema is defiantly cursed. Never wanted a Madrid player to do so well and end up disappointed at the end of it.

It happens, France aren't set up to just give infinite service to one striker.

No, I dont think it was a big if at all. The decisions were marginal, very close to onside and nothing to do with a good defensive line and just a slight miscalculation of timing. Half a second earlier pass and yes, those guys all get away from the German defence. I dont think any of the German defenders played bad, but I think my point still stands.

by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:13 am

CBarca wrote:Not sure how this isn't a bigger story, btw, how was Pavard even allowed to continue?

Football continues to treat head injuries like they're an absolute joke. So soon after the Eriksen incident too. You would think we would be prioritizing player health.

Agreed. I saw instantly with the replay that was a rough contact, almost like a boxing KO. Should have been removed.

by VivaStPauli Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:10 am

El Gunner wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Kimmich is very much a difference maker, bit early to tell for Goretzka, and Gündogan has been arguably City's best player for much of the season, so dunno what you're on about.

But yeah Portugal will prolly get 2nd place in the group, agreed.

maybe we have different views of difference makers then.
My difference makers are Mbappe, Benzema, Ronaldo, De Bruyne, Foden to name some in this tournament.. players who can go off at any moment with a worldie from out of nowhere or create a goal out of nothing.

I guess my world view allows for defensive players to also contribute.

by El Gunner Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:06 am

of course they contribute, just that the players i mentioned more often than not win you the games with goals

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:54 pm

The Franchise wrote:
No doubt Deschamps will continue with this pragmatism to the bitter end.

I can't put in words how much I hate his football

this team should be running opponents over with creativity, skill and beauty, such a huge assemblage of stunning talent and quality

instead mixing up the concrete, it's just horrible

the guy should be tried for crimes against humanity, World Cup win or not

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