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Post by El Gunner on July 12th 2020, 19:38

it's the hope that kills you as an Arsenal fan

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Post by Jay29 on July 12th 2020, 19:43

It's very Arsenal to put some form together, pat themselves on the back for turning a corner, then fuck up when it matters.

This attitude has plagued us for a good decade.

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Post by Sina on July 12th 2020, 19:49

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Post by RealGunner on July 12th 2020, 19:51

@Jay29 wrote:It's very Arsenal to put some form together, pat themselves on the back for turning a corner, then fuck up when it matters.

This attitude has plagued us for a good decade.


Was thinking that you know

I mean Mourinho has played this way against us since 2005. It has always worked out for him. Never lost a match at home against us lol.

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Post by Sina on July 12th 2020, 20:05

No european football
Not much money available for transfers
No proper pre season

Is there any hope?
What should even be our target next season?

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Post by RealGunner on July 12th 2020, 20:08

Top 4 should be doable if we have no European obligation. Won't miss EL at all tbh. Soul draining competition.

We need to buy smart. We have a good set of players in places. Just need to improve the core. Those days are long gone where you have to look at other leagues for better players. Majority of the PL have players that will improve us.

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Post by Sina on July 12th 2020, 20:16

Yeah having more times for match prepration(between ga mes)is our only hope
Will we have enough quality to take advantage though?

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Post by RealGunner on July 12th 2020, 20:18

Probably not if we compare players individually against the top sides. You see Chelsea buy the likes of Werner and United going for the likes of Sancho and we will come out short.

But we are still quite an attractive club and we always have money to spend. Players can easily be swayed with money anyways.

Just need to be shrewd in the market. Most of the season really depends on winning home matches against teams supposedly worse than you. If we improve our attacking output (big let down this season) then we can aim.

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Post by El Gunner on July 12th 2020, 20:26

Try and get Depay to challenge Pepe's position in the team.

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Post by Eman on July 13th 2020, 14:04

I've always felt like we were 2-3 players away from challenging for the PL but not anymore. We are slightly less of a mess as a football club compared to say, last year, simply because we have offloaded a lot of dead weight; but, I don't see how we can effectively cope with the challenges we're about to face...

  • We still have deadweight at this club which is holding us back from moving forward and who we need to sell but might not be able to given the pandemic (guys like Ozil, Elneny, Sokratis, Holding, Mavropanos, Mustafi...that's before considering guys like Mari, Cedric, Nelson, Willock who offer something but the jury is still out on, or established guys like Luiz and Kolasinac who are decent but not ideal)
  • Some of our best players want to leave (PEA, Torreira - and the former in particular would be foolish not to)
  • Some of our finest youngsters may also leave, for different reasons (Guendouzi, Balogun)
  • We still owe millions for Pepe
  • It's not clear if we are going to be able to keep Ceballos
  • We have an owner who gives us enough money to buy 'half-measure' 3rd or 4th choice players but almost never the 1st choice

We are already behind our rivals in a way I've never seen before, I mean this is truly the worst season we've had since pre-Wenger, so how the hell are we going to make up the ground when they are all going to spend more this summer? Ffs man :facepalm:

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Post by Jay29 on July 13th 2020, 16:33

Sadly it takes years to recover from very poor spending without outside investment. Football being the sport it is, your income shrinks the worse you get, making it harder and harder to return to a higher level. The only quick fix is Kroenke or some other owner dumping money into the club but we know that isn't happening.

It's all a problem of their own making, too. Since 2016, the club has spent around £450m on players but our league position has gone from 2nd, to 5th, to 6th, to 5th again, and now 9th. Meanwhile, around £210m was raised from player sales. A spending deficit of £240m with a declining league position and no Champions League football? Not good.

At the same time, wages have only increased. Ozil was handed a £350k p/w contract. Kolasinac, Sokratis, Mkhitaryan, Lacazette, Aubameyang, Pepe and Luiz were all signed on big wages. How many of these guys are legit top level performers who elevate the team or could be resold? Not many. In fact, for most of them we're just waiting for their contracts to expire.

It's easier said than done, but Arsenal have to be very smart and cautious with their transfers now. Players over 30 on £100k p/w contracts is not good business, not even in the short-term. £72m on wingers with questionable consistency and attitude is not good business. Signings like Leno, Saliba, Tierney, Gunedouzi, Torreira and Martinelli are good business because if those guys don't work out, you've got a chance of breaking even or even profiting on them.

2021 is when the club can hit the reset button. That's when the contracts of Ozil, Sokratis, Mustafi, Mkhitaryan, and Luiz expire. Kolasinac, Chambers, Elneny and Lacazette are up in 2022. Until then, it'll be about buying very shrewdly, making sure we don't end up with more liabilities on the wage bill and hoping Arteta can work some miracles.


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Post by CBarca on July 13th 2020, 16:39

As much as Tottenham's wages have actually caused issues in the dressing room and prevented spurs from potentially achieving greater things, it has also kept Spurs financially pretty stable. The spending deficit is also very very low. Of course, these funded a stadium...not really the team.

Regardless, when I look at the wages Arsenal players are on, I'm shocked. Arsenal need to hope Arteta is a great manager and focus on developing youth. When they're out from some of those wages they can reassess.

Agree with everything you've said Jay

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Post by RealGunner on July 15th 2020, 21:12

Martinez, Holding, David Luiz, Tierney; Soares, Xhaka, Torreira, Saka; Pepe, Lacazette, Nelson.


let's go boys. Wolves dropped points so we have a chance at EL ffs
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Post by Sina on July 15th 2020, 23:21

A win is a win
We move

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Post by Jay29 on July 15th 2020, 23:30

Feeling dirty after that.

3 shots at home. Scored twice. rofl

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Post by RealGunner on July 15th 2020, 23:33

Can't even celebrate this. Feel disgusted.

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Post by Jay29 on July 17th 2020, 14:11

The Arsenal end at Wembley tomorrow:

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Need to invoke the spirit of that 2017 win.

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Post by El Gunner on July 17th 2020, 14:46

time for Aubameyang to step up in a big game for once

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Post by RealGunner on July 17th 2020, 21:57

ESR having a great loan spell at Huddersfield.



Great goal today

Definitely an upgrade on Ozil
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Post by RealGunner on July 18th 2020, 20:31

Martinez, Bellerin, David Luiz, Mustafi, Tierney, Xhaka, Ceballos, Maitland-Niles, Pepe, Aubameyang, Lacazette.

Big game
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Post by Sina on July 18th 2020, 20:34

Amn at lwb?

Lets go COYG

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Post by RealGunner on July 18th 2020, 21:07

AUBAAAAAAAAAAAAA

1-0 ffs
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Post by El Gunner on July 18th 2020, 21:36

can't believe what im seeing, we probably should've been 3 up if we were more incisive

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Post by Sina on July 18th 2020, 21:39

OMG
More of the same please


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Post by RealGunner on July 18th 2020, 21:41

Pep will change it up man. We needed another goal

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