Re: Who will be the Democrats' presidential candidate against Trump?

by McLewis Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:12 am

Well traditional Dem (Boomers and the oldest Milennials) voters are still pretty center left. Younger Milennial Dems are naturally further to the left than their parents so I think that shift you're referring to will probably happen inevitably, but 2020 will be too early for that I believe. I don't think the Dems want to take chances with pushing independents to the right again so I think they'll go with a moderate again over someone to the left of that this time around.

by BarrileteCosmico Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:16 pm

Clutch wrote:I can agree with that. However, I think this is the chance for America to go more left than it usually does because moderate dems usually dont get anything done anyways. So why not go more left than usual?

Because polarization is bad for the country, clearly. Not that the country would be less polarized with a center-left president, look at Obama who is as center left as it got, but it would certainly hurt to have a radical left one.

by Blue Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:09 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Clutch wrote:I can agree with that. However, I think this is the chance for America to go more left than it usually does because moderate dems usually dont get anything done anyways. So why not go more left than usual?
Because polarization is bad for the country, clearly. Not that the country would be less polarized with a center-left president, look at Obama who is as center left as it got, but it would certainly hurt to have a radical left one.

Obama projected a radical left and ran on "change" platform, but his policies and views were quite centrist. Many things from his skin color, age, name created a radical persona.

I don't even consider Trump as a radical right, he projects it but his policies and views(legislative standpoint) is pretty much the norm for the republication party.

The right has been winning in this country, because they are unapologetic about their views. This is the problem with the left they are such betas, always lowering their standards to accommodate the right.

by VivaStPauli Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:05 am

Well with Obama it was pretty much only his skin colour that made people think of him as a radical persona. He was a centrist, the only people disagreeing with that had a problem with his skin colour, and those that live in the bubble those guys created.

Basically every candidate running against another party's candidate ran on some kind of a "change" platform. Obama also ran on "Hope" and "Yes we can" as much as he did on "change".

by McLewis Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:27 am

Precisely, Obama was as center-left as they come though still more liberal than Bill Clinton was.

I suppose I understand what is drawing so many to someone like Beto O'Rourke as he's quite an eloquent and passionate speaker and has that uplifting, inspiring aura to him that many saw in Obama. I think Beto trends more to the left than Obama ever did though, but if he ever does decide to run for the job, it's all about when. The sooner he does it, the more the middle he'd have to move to be taken seriously. Same with Ocasio-Cortez, who Obama is personally endorsing. I find that surprising for whatever reason. Conservatives must feel validated by that after calling him a socialist for the last 10 years Laughing

by Freeza Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:30 am

This gave me a much needed laugh on what was a very dark day. Enjoy! pic.twitter.com/rTw94Sy0bV
— Jason Campbell (@Dasein90) 6. oktober 2018

I'm done over here rofl

Fox News are just as comic as they're evil

by RealGunner Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:07 pm

watch this and listen to every word she says pic.twitter.com/dHYLxD7Xer
— Gaga Daily (@gagadaily) October 5, 2018

by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:56 pm

RealGunner wrote:
watch this and listen to every word she says pic.twitter.com/dHYLxD7Xer
— Gaga Daily (@gagadaily) October 5, 2018

It's wrong of course. It's not exactly all boxed up, and the box wasn't triggered to open when Kavanaugh was nominated.
Ford testified herself that, while she never spoke of it before, she mentioned this to her therapist more than 5 years ago.

Gaga is alsways annoying and stupid, even if well intentioned.

by Guest Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:14 pm

McLewis wrote:Well traditional Dem (Boomers and the oldest Milennials) voters are still pretty center left. Younger Milennial Dems are naturally further to the left than their parents so I think that shift you're referring to will probably happen inevitably, but 2020 will be too early for that I believe. I don't think the Dems want to take chances with pushing independents to the right again so I think they'll go with a moderate again over someone to the left of that this time around.

While that is true right now how sure are we that this will remain a fact as younger Millenials(and Gen Z) grow older and start to get jobs/participate in the labor force?

Baby Boomers were all about free love and peace when they were young too. They then grew older, had kids, and gave us 8 of Reagan as soon as they did. I'd be weary trusting a long lasting shift to the left in terms of large population centers as long as the economy does not completely fall apart.

by McLewis Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:31 pm

So Michael Bloomberg, former mayor of NYC, is now a Democrat....again.

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/politics/2018/10/10/bloomberg-re-registers-democrat-sparking-2020-run-speculation/38112617/

Kamala Harris is going to South Carolina to stump for local candidates there, which is traditional for Democrats who are gearing up for a presidential run.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/kamala-harris-2020-south-carolina-889035

by RealGunner Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:12 pm

Jesus christ

Ted Cruz trying to make Texans vote him into a second term pic.twitter.com/HhZzjRs2fj
— kait! (@leslieknoping) October 8, 2018

No wonder republicans have no issues with having someone like Kavanaugh in supreme court

by McLewis Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:51 am

He's so sure of his victory that he's giving his opponent, Beto O'Rourke a full hour of basically free national TV coverage on CNN at a townhall both candidates were supposed to attend. Cruz opted out, but O'Rourke didn't and will appear alone.

So now Beto gets to really show out on primetime in front of millions, unchallenged by his opponent. That's either a ballsy, arrogant move from Cruz if he wins or it will be looked back on as one of the key reasons why he lost.

Either way, he's insufferable as a politician and a person.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Saw Kirsten Gillibrand again on the Daily Show. I really think I might like her most of all. I like Warren, Harris is impressive no doubt, both surely would make fantastic candidates, but somehow I like Gillibrand best.

However, probably the things I like about her, (for a lack of better wording, that she isn't a showoff, that she does seem to focus in her speaking on getting points across, in a way that less seems targeted at making herself look great, rhethorically, that she doesn't seem to be vain and ego-driven), might mean that she either won't make it in a presidential primary or rather that she won't bother running at all.
All that of course despite her being pretty blond girlish in a way that even would fulfill the requirements of a Fox News anchor, but her demeanour is so great and so dignified.

by Myesyats Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:45 pm

So the Democrat's candidate will surely be a woman?

by Hapless_Hans Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:53 pm

Myesyats wrote:So the Democrat's candidate will surely be a woman?

No, nothing sure at this moment. There surely is a number of men who will throw their hat in the ring. But I think the field of Democrat women is much, much stronger than the field of Democrat men.
They have a number of impressive women, and only clowns as men. The only man with a chance is Corey Booker and I don't like him.

by BarrileteCosmico Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:20 pm

I still think that if Biden were the nominee he would absolutely demolish Trump. Trump would prefer running against a woman.

by futbol_bill Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:59 pm

The way things are going, it really doesn’t matter who runs for the democrats. They will win against Trump and his shrinking base. Unless it isn’t Trump.

What the democrats need more than a leader is to develop their policies and ensure it is inclusive of middle and working classes.

Similiarly, the post trump republicans will need to totally revise their policies.

Simply put, America is hugely divided and it’s not all on Trump. Both Parties have a lot to do to bring the country more together and stop these policies and the rhetoric that divide.

by Blue Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:44 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Myesyats wrote:So the Democrat's candidate will surely be a woman?

No, nothing sure at this moment. There surely is a number of men who will throw their hat in the ring. But I think the field of Democrat women is much, much stronger than the field of Democrat men.
They have a number of impressive women, and only clowns as men. The only man with a chance is Corey Booker and I don't like him.

Biden and Beto are much more likelier than Booker. The NJ is barely a top ten in the democratic party. Things can change but outside of him really not a lot people think he can win the nomination.

Biden is likely who the Dems establishment will try to force on everyone, similar to Hilary it is what the Dems want, someone who can protect the status quo.

Beto O'rouke is the Democratic party most charismatic figure, someone who will excite the progressive and get the moderate on board. I actually think he will be very tough to beat in the primaries.

by The Madrid One Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:54 pm

Democrats might as well postulate a literal Donkey; it'd be a jackass that people would actually vote for.

by McLewis Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:51 am

I feel like Biden (and Sanders too) is past his sell by date after the emergence of Harris, Booker and Beto.

The last thing the Democrat party needs, especially considering 1/3 of their number will be women and minorities, is to pick an old white guy as their presidential candidate, the exact and utterly dominant demographic of their political opponents. I like Biden, but picking him would be quite the tone deaf move.

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:16 pm

Harris and Booker I'll give you (although I see nothing special about Booker), but Beto Laughing

Come on man, the guy is a just a state congressman, did a great job in the race for senator and can write a decent speech, but would be the most unprepared president ever. Completely unqualified to even present himself at the race.

Still, it might be tone deaf but that doesn't mean that it would be unwise, democrats lost the working class midwestern men to Trump, which is exactly where someone like Biden would be able to turn that around.

by Freeza Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:42 pm

Most unprepared president ever?

Yeah I can’t come up with anyone else right now

by sportsczy Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:29 pm

I would actually vote for Trump before Bernie Sanders and some of the other utra liberals being mentioned...

The smart move would be a moderate democrat. You're not going to win the election by going extreme in the opposite direction.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:41 pm

Blue wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
Myesyats wrote:So the Democrat's candidate will surely be a woman?

No, nothing sure at this moment. There surely is a number of men who will throw their hat in the ring. But I think the field of Democrat women is much, much stronger than the field of Democrat men.
They have a number of impressive women, and only clowns as men. The only man with a chance is Corey Booker and I don't like him.

Biden and Beto are much more likelier than Booker. The NJ is barely a top ten in the democratic party. Things can change but outside of him really not a lot people think he can win the nomination.

Biden is likely who the Dems establishment will try to force on everyone, similar to Hilary it is what the Dems want, someone who can protect the status quo.

Beto O'rouke is the Democratic party most charismatic figure, someone who will excite the progressive and get the moderate on board. I actually think he will be very tough to beat in the primaries.

Have to admit that I don't know anything about Beto O'Rourke, aside from that he lost to Ted Cruz in that high profile Senate race.
I guess he did great to get it so close but still this is no a very convincing bottom line.
I can also already predict the nickname he'll be getting from the alt-right wannabe macho online crowd

Biden, I don't see how it's possible. He's too old now, surely, isn't he?

by sportsczy Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:56 pm

Biden is old... 76. But he's the best candidate imo.

There are rumors Caroline Kennedy is going to test the waters now that her term as US Ambassador to Japan ended (2013-2017).

Need a personality to run against Trump; so i don't mind it.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:04 pm

76 is too old, sorry. This should not happen.
My dad is that old and he's barely able to find his jacket again after taking it off, never mind run a country or a presidential campaign.

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