Dutch General Election 2017

The last time you claimed to have solid proof to back up your claims, you referred to your "various internet sources" and started rambling about Norway being a socialist country I don't even want to know what your sources are. I'm sure you have connections in Fox news. Doesn't matter.

DuringTheWar wrote:


You are espousing quasi-Marxist anti-scientific brain cancer here.

Everything I don't agree with is Marxism:lol: . The battle cry of the right.

DuringTheWar wrote:

Even a cursory glance at the data prove women are less happy now than in the 1950s.

Definitely was a happy time for white Americans. No European industry to drive down their wages. Women sat at home,barefoot in the kitchen, far far away from any scientific men who could truly question them.

DuringTheWar wrote:
Economic freedom is good but freedom and happiness are not the same thing.

Freedom IS happiness.

DuringTheWar wrote:
When it comes to the crunch, most professional women who reach the very top cut their career and start a family. They prefer having a family to working >60 hour weeks and competing in a cutthroat competition.

Or they reach the top and go on to try another thing with their life?

DuringTheWar wrote:That's nature. The fact that you can't see how biology pressures women to want children (as opposed to muh patriarchy) is painfully delusional.

Biology isnt the reason my early 20's girlfriend just randomly started talking about us making "superior" kids. Its all her culture around her. I am tempted to call the biological clock a myth all together, but I accept it might exist on a basic level.

DuringTheWar wrote:
If anything social pressure pushes women into being career women, not some feminist caricature of a baby factory. For God's sake it's judged politically incorrect to idealise the housewife while you are screaming shit about patriarchal social conditioning  

Proof: There is more gender differentiation in the most egalitarian societies (Scandinavia)
BTFO

Society pushes women to be career women so hard that they are automatically at a disadvantage in terms of careers thanks to being a pregnancy risk to hiring managers.

Betty La Fea wrote:
And I didnt know my grandmother's last name, and I agree that was shameful. That is the way society has it set up though. A wife marries into a family, takes that last name, and produces kids of that family lineage with no trace of the other in name(in our society).The shame you feel is really towards a patriarchal system.

I'm just going to go ahead and generalize, but surely your being asian-american is a huge factor in this? In western society women don't marry "into" the male's family, rather the family connections expand both ways.

Also in Spanish speaking countries it's quite common to inherit a last name from each parent. So for instance Messi's last name is not actually Messi but Messi Cuccitini, one from his father's and another from his mother's. Wives will also commonly retain their last names. So just by virtue of knowing your mom's full name you would know your grandmother's last name (or one of them). So your experience is definitely not applicable to the western world in general.

Here, parents typically pick last names for their children based on which one of the parents' last names suit the first names of their children better. In other words, it's completely up to the parents

I believe most people here remember the names of most, if not all relatives in their closest family, and it's easy to remember them all when the names are, more often than not, all traditional and boring Hansen, Christiansen, Eriksen- type names.

Hell, if you combine mine and my girlfriend's last names, you get a name that sounds and reads almost exactly like the ones I mentioned above lol. My offspring will know the last name of the great great granddad they never met, because it's exactly the same as mine.

I'm a bit surprised that you didn't know your grandmother's last name, Betty. I was under the impression that families are, in a sense, significantly more tight-knitted in Asian cultures, compared to in the west.

I know that in South Korea, you're expected to live with, and take care of your parents for as long as you live. I would have gone completely crazy if my parents had expected me to live in the same household as them beyond my teen years, unless there was some specific reason that required me to care for them. From an Asian perspective, Norwegian and Scandinavian families probably seem relatively disjointed, but I think we just have a different perspective on how much family members need to socially interact with each other beyond the formative years of the children.

Marrying into your partner's family is a concept I'm completely foreign to. I'm not married, but I chose my partner because I like her, not because I wanted to spend quality time with her family. I don't have a close relationship with her parents, and she doesn't expect me to. I get along with them just fine, and that's sufficient. It won't change if/when we get married.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:
And I didnt know my grandmother's last name, and I agree that was shameful. That is the way society has it set up though. A wife marries into a family, takes that last name, and produces kids of that family lineage with no trace of the other in name(in our society).The shame you feel is really towards a patriarchal system.

I'm just going to go ahead and generalize, but surely your being asian-american is a huge factor in this? In western society women don't marry "into" the male's family, rather the family connections expand both ways.

Also in Spanish speaking countries it's quite common to inherit a last name from each parent. So for instance Messi's last name is not actually Messi but Messi Cuccitini, one from his father's and another from his mother's. Wives will also commonly retain their last names. So just by virtue of knowing your mom's full name you would know your grandmother's last name (or one of them). So your experience is definitely not applicable to the western world in general.

Yeah I figured in latin American households the kids kept the mother's name. Thats a good thing to have, but I hear the patriarchy is still strong down there.  

Thing is, the act of a father giving up a daughter at a wedding remains as a sign of women as property. I will submit that my experience of Asian Patriarchy plays a big role in shaping me as a feminist, but even then the video of trump also shows that this type of viewpoint was/is prominent in European American households. "I go through the roof when I get home and dinner isnt on the table" is something he felt he could say on TV.

Thimmy wrote:Here, parents typically pick last names for their children based on which one of the parents' last names suit the first names of their children better. In other words, it's completely up to the parents

I believe most people here remember the names of most, if not all relatives in their closest family, and it's easy to remember them all when  the names are, more often than not, all traditional and boring Hansen, Christiansen, Eriksen- type names.

Hell, if you combine mine and my girlfriend's last names, you get a name that sounds and reads almost exactly like the ones I mentioned above lol. My offspring will know the last name of the great great granddad they never met, because it's exactly the same as mine.

I'm a bit surprised that you didn't know your grandmother's last name, Betty. I was under the impression that families are, in a sense, significantly more tight-knitted in Asian cultures, compared to in the west.

I know that in South Korea, you're expected to live with, and take care of your parents for as long as you live. I would have gone completely crazy if my parents had expected me to live in the same household as them beyond my teen years, unless there was some specific reason that required me to care for them. From an Asian perspective, Norwegian and Scandinavian families probably seem relatively disjointed, but I think we just have a different perspective on how much family members need to socially interact with each other beyond the formative years of the children.

Marrying into your partner's family is a concept I'm completely foreign to. I'm not married, but I chose my partner because I like her, not because I wanted to spend quality time with her family. I don't have a close relationship with her parents, and she doesn't expect me to. I get along with them just fine, and that's sufficient. It won't change if/when we get married.

My family is tight knit. The fact is a woman belongs to her husbands family after marriage. My grandmothers original last name was a non-factor in her identity the nearly 30 years I have known her because she was forced, by the patriarchal system, to give up that name long before I was born. She isnt a Kudo anymore, and her kids, nor her grandkids are that. Its simply a foreign name to us. This is also why sons are expected to carry the weight with parents if they have them. I have two sisters, and when my parents get old they will be expected to live with me. I carry on the name, I am always in the family. The burden of expectation is that my sisters will help their husband take care of his parents, as they will have their last name. That is the structure of the system, and why such a premium is placed on having sons.

I'd be willing to bet, correct me if I am wrong, that a large part of not caring about your partners family hinges on the fact that you are a guy in the system. As a guy you already have your family, and you aren't expected to bow down and tow the line to them. It doesnt really matter on our end. as guys since it isnt something we live with. I mean.....unless she's the only child you don't have to see them, and even then I think you guys use nursing homes and other things to handle the family burden. My girlfriend calls my mom like weekly, and gives her these little online gift cards to places like Amazon and whatnot. My mom doesnt even reply most of the time. Mostly because she's petty and Japanese women cant get along worth a damn, and partly because she can get away with it knowing no matter what she will be there since she's my mother and I am the only son. The onus is on the woman to ingratiate herself to the guys family more since she s forcing herself in. I do think, oe of the most amazing things shown on TV, is the idea of the son proving himself to the girls dad. This is like fairytales though I don't see it ever happening in real life. A guy has to make a good first impression, a woman is forced to prove herself to a guys family every day.

2021 general elections

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