The Matip Effect

Mostly due to Milner and Clyne, who are far away the top 2 offensive fullbacks in the league in terms of production and chance creation. I can't find the picture that was on MOTD a few weeks back but it's insane how much more offensive production they give than other fullbacks.

Don't call me James wrote:Mostly due to Milner and Clyne, who are far away the top 2 offensive fullbacks in the league in terms of production and chance creation. I can't find the picture that was on MOTD a few weeks back but it's insane how much more offensive production they give than other fullbacks.

I put a photo up during the start of the season 5 games in i think, Milner was 1st in most of the offensive as well as the defensive contributions. lol

I liked what Milner did this season, pretty good! Clyne was always decent.

I also think Pool's 3 man midfield is adding a lot of defensive steel & shielding the defense well when they don't have Ozil type player to carry (in defensive duties I mean)

Our defence this season is a mystery. We are not defensively that good; yet the stats show - as does watching the matches - that we are not allowing our opponents that many chances. The rare occasions when we've come under sustained pressure, we've looked defensively fragile. But we can go through games without ever coming under sustained pressure. It's a real conundrum for armchair analysts such as all of GL. We appear defensively good, yet the credit for that may lie completely elsewhere than our defenders. Makes for interesting observations at least as the season goes on.

Art Morte wrote:Our defence this season is a mystery. We are not defensively that good; yet the stats show - as does watching the matches - that we are not allowing our opponents that many chances. The rare occasions when we've come under sustained pressure, we've looked defensively fragile. But we can go through games without ever coming under sustained pressure. It's a real conundrum for armchair analysts such as all of GL. We appear defensively good, yet the credit for that may lie completely elsewhere than our defenders. Makes for interesting observations at least as the season goes on.

It's called control.

I know it's a foreign concept for many PL pundits, but by actually controlling a game via team-tactical behaviour you can stifle your opponents attacks via team work all over the pitch.
One simple way is having possession, but there's nothing PL pundits understand less than the merits of possession

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Art Morte wrote:Our defence this season is a mystery. We are not defensively that good; yet the stats show - as does watching the matches - that we are not allowing our opponents that many chances. The rare occasions when we've come under sustained pressure, we've looked defensively fragile. But we can go through games without ever coming under sustained pressure. It's a real conundrum for armchair analysts such as all of GL. We appear defensively good, yet the credit for that may lie completely elsewhere than our defenders. Makes for interesting observations at least as the season goes on.

It's called control.

I know it's a foreign concept for many PL pundits, but by actually controlling a game via team-tactical behaviour you can stifle your opponents attacks via team work all over the pitch.
One simple way is having possession, but there's nothing PL pundits understand less than the merits of possession

I've read and understood your comment, but thinking about it, I think it's really the Matip effect, combined with the imminent-arrival-of-van-dijk effect.

Probably.

the reason Liverpool have been good at the back for the last run of games is because all the teams we have played in that run have put 10 men behind the ball. lets see how we defend when we start playing teams that attack us. but there is no doubt matip has made a big difference to us.

Absolutely unbelievable.

Today proved he's the best CB in the league. Might just be the best player. What an impact.

Without him this team just falls apart. Klopp has done a lot of good things but the defense is all Matip.

Some of you idiots must be feeling silly right now for refusing to believe me.

While normally I support McAgger's views as he is my long time ally as well, Matip while missed, this comes down to a classic case of confirmation bias.

James is right, can't believe some of the clowns here, remember when everyone fapped on Otamendi beginning of the season? These are the same people that rate Kos (and used to rate Djourou, i should add) and Spurs' trash backline

Arquitescu wrote:While normally I support McAgger's views as he is my long time ally as well, Matip while missed, this comes down to a classic case of confirmation bias.

You know what?

In these troubling times, I always ask myself what would RedO have to say.

Closest is RG but he is an Arsenal fan nowadays. Anyway, one match isn't really a real indicator but McAgger is starting to form a good argument. Watch this space.

That dig at RG ffs

I don't think it's that Matip is elite, but that the depth at CB is disgusting

Lucas

Arquitescu wrote:While normally I support McAgger's views as he is my long time ally as well, Matip while missed, this comes down to a classic case of confirmation bias.

Who are you?

Your opinion doesn't matter. New posters mean less than dirt to me.

Doc wrote:In these troubling times, I always ask myself what would RedO have to say.

Closest is RG but he is an Arsenal fan nowadays. Anyway, one match isn't really a real indicator but McAgger is starting to form a good argument. Watch this space.

Hi Doc

What do you want me to talk about?

Kind regards,
myself

Don't call me James wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:While normally I support McAgger's views as he is my long time ally as well, Matip while missed, this comes down to a classic case of confirmation bias.

Who are you?

Your opinion doesn't matter. New posters mean less than dirt to me.

Try that again, McAgger. Short memory.

I have but the inherent need to disagree with Hames is really strong. Also, just one match, we need more matches to really say whether or not he is as important as Hames is making him out to be.

Also.
Dear RG
Liverpool just blew a 3-1 to Bournmouth so they are in a crisis obviously. Arsenal is no longer need of your assistance, Liverpool does. Forget the ranger life and become the King you are meant to be. You're the captain now.

Regards,
The other Doc

lol

Doc wrote:
Also.
Dear RG
Liverpool just blew a 3-1 to Bournmouth so they are in a crisis obviously. Arsenal is no longer need of your assistance, Liverpool does. Forget the ranger life and become the King you are meant to be. You're the captain now.

Regards,
The other Doc

Dear Doc

Thanks for the reply. It was greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, due to the sensitive nature of this event, I may not be able to offer much of an assistance and therefore I will have to inform you that I have nothing to say. Nothing to say. I am sorry to say but I have nothing to say.

Hope I was able to assist you appropriately.

Kind regards,
Myself.

Reminds me of the time Liverpool were in a title race and were 3-0 up v palace.

Doc wrote:Anyway, one match isn't really a real indicator but McAgger is starting to form a good argument.

It's not one match though.

With Matip - 11 games, conceded 9 goals - DWWWWDWWWDW

Without Matip - 3 games, conceded 9 goals - WLL

Unique wrote:Reminds me of the time Liverpool were in a title race and were 3-0 up v palace.

You still are in the race.

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