Re: July 2001

by S Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:21 pm

Lmao he'll never stop. Oh and i did notice him posting exaggerated wage figures to support his relentless agenda. Kroos earning 12M rofl

Yeah, should stop taking this dude seriously.

He'd probably celebrate Pogba leaving like a CL win Laughing

That's the level of obsession he's gotten into.

by Andrew Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:26 pm

sportsczy wrote:Hans... don't listen to what the other posters say like a monkey. Actually go to the source.

I said over the past 2 summers that Pogba would leave under certain circumstance. In 2014, i said he would leave if Juve didn't increase his wages. The amount of the increase was significant but not outside of the norm at the time since both Vidal and Pirlo were at that amount. And, he would likely not leave due to the WC until after WC2014. In October 2014, he got his new contract with his wages being about equal to Vidal's.... In the summer of 2015, his wages weren't that far off... but PSG made a massive offer + he wanted to go to Barca or Madrid. Barca couldn't sign him due to the transfer ban and Madrid weren't ready to spend the 80-100 mil needed. He didn't want to go to PSG and Ligue 1. So he stayed put. I was surprised that he didn't take the money at PSG... but i understand that he wanted to play in a bigger league.

Fast forward to this summer... his wages are again significantly off what he's worth (he keeps getting better and more marketable). The only way Juve keep him (again) is to redo his wages close to market. That market is 300k pounds per week. That is WAAAAAAAAY more than anyone makes in Serie A. So this is unlikely. Also, Madrid is showing interest.

Nothing is static or 100%. It's mostly common sense. Like most professionals in any field, Pogba looks at pros and cons. Money is the most significant aspect with the ambition of the company he's going to work for a close second. Is Juve and Serie A's ambition more than Man U's or Madrid's? I don't think so. Maybe Pogba thinks so. How much money would he be leaving on the table? Since neither he nor his agent are stupid, one can reasonably expect that he will choose logically.

http://www.espnfc.us/story/2510012/juve-rejected-barcelona-offer-for-paul-pogba-says-marotta Laughing

by rincon Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:32 pm

Marotta must be lying. He has no say on Juve transfers.

by sportsczy Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:48 pm

Google it... Kroos makes 12 mil (10.9 mil in wages and 1+ mil in bonuses like making CL final, winning CL, making UEFA and/or FIFA best 11, BdO, etc.).

And yes, managers, presidents, players, etc. lie all the time. In fact, they lie more than they tell the truth Laughing

by rincon Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:52 pm

of course, Marotta is in the habit of lying all the time, unlike the person that told you he could read Pogba's mind.

by S Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:54 pm

That is gross wages not net. Just stop. I even posted a link of his leaked contract.

If Kroos earned 12M net, that would make him like 4th -5th highest paid footballer Laughing

Yeah, enough nonsense for today.

by Luca Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:54 pm

sportsczy wrote:Google it... Kroos makes 12 mil.

And yes, managers, presidents, players, etc. lie all the time. In fact, they lie more than they tell the truth

Come on man..

All your sources and fruitless claims are bulletproof
Juventus transfer director is instantly a liar

Barcelona would've signed Pogba last summer if not for a transfer ban, this summer are not even among the clubs rumoured to be most interested Laughing

Sports, I hope you know, I hope Pogba leaves just so ya'll will stop. It's mentally exhausting reading through these fallacious arguments and people piecing sources as absurd as twitter backgrounds in order to prove a transfer MAY happen.

by Andrew Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:55 pm

sportsczy wrote:Google it... Kroos makes 12 mil (10.9 mil in wages and 1+ mil in bonuses like making CL final, winning CL, making UEFA and/or FIFA best 11, BdO, etc.).

And yes, managers, presidents, players, etc. lie all the time. In fact, they lie more than they tell the truth

Are you saying that Marotta lied about rejecting the bid from Barcelona?

by Andrew Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:57 pm

http://www.espnfc.com/story/2512071/barcelona-wont-abandon-paul-pogba-pursuit-ariedo-braida

"My dear friend Beppe Marotta of Juventus, whom I have a profound affection for, has officially rejected the proposal that I made for Paul Pogba, but we will not stop here."

Yeah, both Juventus and Barcelona directors lied just for the lulz. rofl

Stop making this to yourself.

by rincon Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:57 pm

sportsczy wrote:Google it... Kroos makes 12 mil (10.9 mil in wages and 1+ mil in bonuses like making CL final, winning CL, making UEFA and/or FIFA best 11, BdO, etc.).

And yes, managers, presidents, players, etc. lie all the time. In fact, they lie more than they tell the truth

When it comes to football matters, It is very peaceful that your club has a management that you believe in and trust. Maybe Madrid can buy that one day. :coffee:

by Luca Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:01 pm

Oh my... the last two posts Laughing

Bless you rincon/andrew

by Hapless_Hans Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:07 pm

S wrote:That is gross wages not net. Just stop. I even posted a link of his leaked contract.

If Kroos earned 12M net, that would make him like 4th -5th highest paid footballer Yeah, enough nonsense for today.

Sports number are a mixture of gross and net. Kroos gross, Ronaldo net.
Always the same confusion lol.

by sportsczy Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:13 pm

It was a deferred offer... Barca couldn't bring the player nor pay for the player until January 2016. Why in the world would Juve accept that and why would Pogba accept it when he would be blocked from playing CL with Barca since he would have played it with Juve before? Or maybe Barca wanted Pogba to just sit out until January like Arda Turan?

That whole offer made no sense to anyone but Barca.

The Turan transfer was like that, except that Turan accepted to just sit on the sidelines until January and Atleti were ok with waiting for the monies. In no universe was Pogba going to sit on the sidelines until January in a year where a Euro was going to happen in France.

by sportsczy Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:16 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
S wrote:That is gross wages not net. Just stop. I even posted a link of his leaked contract.

If Kroos earned 12M net, that would make him like 4th -5th highest paid footballer Yeah, enough nonsense for today.

Sports number are a mixture of gross and net. Kroos gross, Ronaldo net.
Always the same confusion lol.

Where did I say net? Everything I mentioned here is gross. The offer from Man U is gross. Pogba makes 4.5 mil gross with Juve. Kroos makes 12 mil gross with Madrid.

by sportsczy Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:19 pm

I am going to troll you guys into the gutter when Pogba transfers this summer... i will have absolutely zero mercy. Get your snorkels and goggles ready because you are going to need them with what I have in mind Laughing

by Hapless_Hans Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:20 pm

No, Pogba does not make 4.5 gross, but 4.5 net at Juve, obviously.

As for the rest, I understand that United systematically overpay on wages, but do you think this will be the decider for Pogba?
When obviously Real, or Barca, is the much more exciting place and better prospect in terms of football?

by rincon Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:25 pm

Wher is your pride man? trolling us to the gutter? no mercy? you've been wrong for so long and you still feel a winner on this matter?

Pogba will leave Juventus at some point, that is almost certain, no one is denying that. Making up facts and rumors and acting like you are Pogba's agent is the issue.

I'm gonna throw you one just like it. Luka Modric will retire from playing football in the net 10 years. I'm gonna troll Madrid so hard when it happens. Laughing

Edit: Obviously not directed at Hans.

by Andrew Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:25 pm

It's one thing to say that the deal didn't make sense and it's a totally different thing to say that Marotta lied on purpose.

And what difference would it make to us in this section if Pogba left? What you do now isn't much different from trolling rofl

by sportsczy Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:26 pm

Didn't know Serie A reported wages in net terms... i thought only Spain did that. My bad Laughing

by sportsczy Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:27 pm

Pogba is leaaaaaaaaaaaavvvinnnnnnnnnnnnnng.

Juve will be back to being irrelevant in Europe very soon, which is exactly where they belong.

Dybala will leave next year too most likely unless he sucks this season.

Back to being the geriatric champions.

Enjoy!!!

by S Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:29 pm

Pogba makes €4.5M gross ? Despite clearly knowing Italian sources report in net?

Such weak trolling. So poor.

by Hapless_Hans Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:30 pm

sportsczy wrote:Didn't know Serie A reported wages in net terms... i thought only Spain did that. My bad

That's why I said, always the same confusion. Not just you, every time the discussion is about wages.
I specifically had to ask last time I saw a list of supposed Juve wages and saw Pogba at 4 something.
I guess quite simply some outlets, or sources, give net, some gross numbers, and then we get confused comparisons and arguments because the sources are so volatile (and let's not forget that even if we straighten net and gross numbers out, the reported numbers are nowhere near to be taken for granted.. you say ronaldo earns 21 gross, could as well be 30 gross or 14 net or whatever, there are no certain informations)

by Andrew Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:30 pm

sportsczy wrote:Pogba is leaaaaaaaaaaaavvvinnnnnnnnnnnnnng.

Juve will be back to being irrelevant in Europe very soon, which is exactly where they belong.

Dybala will leave next year too most likely unless he sucks this season.

Back to being the geriatric champions.

Enjoy!!!