Most UCL assists since 2001/02

Infographic: Most assists in #UCL (since 2001/02): pic.twitter.com/NZHLkfW9

Where did you get you're info from because assists weren't recorded properly till a few years ago lol

I made them up #lol
#fakestats !!

Khaled wrote:I made them up #lol
#fakestats !!

good to know

Just saying unless you watched all the games again yourself i doubt these are accurate, as opta themselves have even said they won't have accurate stats of previous UCL games for a while.

With stuff like this it's nice to site you're sources.

Most EC / #UCL Goals (1955-2012, including qualifying):

Raul 71
Van Nistelrooy 60
Shevchenko 59
Messi 51
Henry 51
Inzaghi 50

pic.twitter.com/R9Jw2jRw

Khaled wrote:Most EC / #UCL Goals (1955-2012, including qualifying):

Raul 71
Van Nistelrooy 60
Shevchenko 59
Messi 51
Henry 51
Inzaghi 50

pic.twitter.com/R9Jw2jRw

Must be so hard to copy from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_records_and_statistics#All-time_top_scorers_.28European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League.29

Crimson wrote:

Khaled wrote:Most EC / #UCL Goals (1955-2012, including qualifying):

Raul 71
Van Nistelrooy 60
Shevchenko 59
Messi 51
Henry 51
Inzaghi 50

pic.twitter.com/R9Jw2jRw

Must be so hard to copy from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_records_and_statistics#All-time_top_scorers_.28European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League.29

actually wiki stats are not accurate.. check the stats on my infographic and the ones on wiki... different. (especially the number of games)..

What I'm trying to understand.. Any stat I mention on this forum, the first comment has to be from you... Trying to say* anything negative...
Can I know why?

Unclassy haters gonna hate

The assist stats, I've looked though them alot, and I have to say you consistently see less assists for players the closer you get to the turn of the new millennium.

The standards of what counts as an assist have probably loosened over time or they probably won't recorded properly in the first place.

Khaled wrote:

Crimson wrote:

Khaled wrote:Most EC / #UCL Goals (1955-2012, including qualifying):

Raul 71
Van Nistelrooy 60
Shevchenko 59
Messi 51
Henry 51
Inzaghi 50

pic.twitter.com/R9Jw2jRw

Must be so hard to copy from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_records_and_statistics#All-time_top_scorers_.28European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League.29

actually wiki stats are not accurate.. check the stats on my infographic and the ones on wiki... different. (especially the number of games)..

What I'm trying to understand.. Any stat I mention on this forum, the first comment has to be from you... Trying to say* anything negative...
Can I know why?

Le Samourai wrote:The assist stats, I've looked though them alot, and I have to say you consistently see less assists for players the closer you get to the turn of the new millennium.

The standards of what counts as an assist have probably loosened over time or they probably won't recorded properly in the first place.

Actually they were looser before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(football)

As assist in general should be considered as last contribution to a goal (other than goal scorer), I think the 1990 FIFA rules (transfermarkt.co.uk) probably give the best average representation of it.

Assist for:

- Straight last passer
- Fouled player in penalty (if not who takes it)
- Rebound from goal post
- Rebound from goalie
- Deflected own goal

^Says so...but still I look at these stats and am I really supposed to believe had 0 assists in 03-4 and 2 assists in 02-03 when he was in his absolute prime, and then a 37 year old Nedved had 7 assists?

Something not right there.

Many more examples like that.

Really just seems like they didn't record assists properly.

Crimson wrote:

Khaled wrote:Most EC / #UCL Goals (1955-2012, including qualifying):

Raul 71
Van Nistelrooy 60
Shevchenko 59
Messi 51
Henry 51
Inzaghi 50

pic.twitter.com/R9Jw2jRw

Must be so hard to copy from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_records_and_statistics#All-time_top_scorers_.28European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League.29

lol when did Crims lose 25% warning level

jiopsi wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:The assist stats, I've looked though them alot, and I have to say you consistently see less assists for players the closer you get to the turn of the new millennium.

The standards of what counts as an assist have probably loosened over time or they probably won't recorded properly in the first place.

Actually they were looser before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(football)

As assist in general should be considered as last contribution to a goal (other than goal scorer), I think the 1990 FIFA rules (transfermarkt.co.uk) probably give the best average representation of it.

Assist for:

1- Straight last passer
- Fouled player in penalty (if not who takes it)
2- Rebound from goal post
3- Rebound from goalie
4- Deflected own goal

I don't think the above points should be counted..
Personally, I don't count them...

Example:
- Messi's Career assists for club and Country (including all the above points): 148+
- Just including the 1st point: 127 (on my count).

Eivindo wrote:

Crimson wrote:

Khaled wrote:Most EC / #UCL Goals (1955-2012, including qualifying):

Raul 71
Van Nistelrooy 60
Shevchenko 59
Messi 51
Henry 51
Inzaghi 50

pic.twitter.com/R9Jw2jRw

Must be so hard to copy from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_records_and_statistics#All-time_top_scorers_.28European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League.29

lol when did Crims lose 25% warning level

Wed May 16, 2012 5:22 am

Khaled how much penalties in Messi's goals? Serious question , I'm working on something..

Edit: Is there a way I can figure this out for every player?

Khaled wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:The assist stats, I've looked though them alot, and I have to say you consistently see less assists for players the closer you get to the turn of the new millennium.

The standards of what counts as an assist have probably loosened over time or they probably won't recorded properly in the first place.

Actually they were looser before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(football)

As assist in general should be considered as last contribution to a goal (other than goal scorer), I think the 1990 FIFA rules (transfermarkt.co.uk) probably give the best average representation of it.

Assist for:

1- Straight last passer
- Fouled player in penalty (if not who takes it)
2- Rebound from goal post
3- Rebound from goalie
4- Deflected own goal

I don't think the above points should be counted..
Personally, I don't count them...

Example:
- Messi's Career assists for club and Country (including all the above points): 148+
- Just including the 1st point: 127 (on my count).

There is no right or wrong as they are not officially defined as a goal. You just have to apply the same criteria to all.

Good example of this situation is Messi at WC10. Now which one you think represents players influence on goals better, 1 assist or 4 assist as above criteria? On average I think it's pretty clear that wider rules represents players influence on creating goals better.

Le Samourai wrote:Khaled how much penalties in Messi's goals? Serious question , I'm working on something..

Edit: Is there a way I can figure this out for every player?

Messi's Penalties: 35 scored out of 43.

Barcelona official games: 30 scored out of 38 attempts.
Argentina: scored 5 out of 5.



I think this infograph will help

jiopsi wrote:

Khaled wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:The assist stats, I've looked though them alot, and I have to say you consistently see less assists for players the closer you get to the turn of the new millennium.

The standards of what counts as an assist have probably loosened over time or they probably won't recorded properly in the first place.

Actually they were looser before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(football)

As assist in general should be considered as last contribution to a goal (other than goal scorer), I think the 1990 FIFA rules (transfermarkt.co.uk) probably give the best average representation of it.

Assist for:

1- Straight last passer
- Fouled player in penalty (if not who takes it)
2- Rebound from goal post
3- Rebound from goalie
4- Deflected own goal

I don't think the above points should be counted..
Personally, I don't count them...

Example:
- Messi's Career assists for club and Country (including all the above points): 148+
- Just including the 1st point: 127 (on my count).

There is no right or wrong as they are not officially defined as a goal. You just have to apply the same criteria to all.

Good example of this situation is Messi at WC10. Now which one you think represents players influence on goals better, 1 assist or 4 assist as above criteria? On average I think it's pretty clear that wider rules represents players influence on creating goals better.

True.

Khaled wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:Khaled how much penalties in Messi's goals? Serious question , I'm working on something..

Edit: Is there a way I can figure this out for every player?

Messi's Penalties: 35 scored out of 43.

Barcelona official games: 30 scored out of 38 attempts.
Argentina: scored 5 out of 5.

I think this infograph will help

]

I was thinking more along the lines of the CL only.I wanna find stats of penalties taken in the CL by players, but if that's not possible at least Messi and Ronaldo.

Le Samourai wrote:

Khaled wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:Khaled how much penalties in Messi's goals? Serious question , I'm working on something..

Edit: Is there a way I can figure this out for every player?

Messi's Penalties: 35 scored out of 43.

Barcelona official games: 30 scored out of 38 attempts.
Argentina: scored 5 out of 5.

I think this infograph will help

]

I was thinking more along the lines of the CL only.I wanna find stats of penalties taken in the CL by players, but if that's not possible at least Messi and Ronaldo.

- Messi missed 2 of 7 penalties in the UCL (Missed vs Panathinaikos & Chelsea)
- Cristiano Ronaldo missed 3 penalties of 6 in the UCL (Missed vs Barca, Chelsea and Bayern)

sorry, I don't have such stats for other players...

Production in open play in Champions League Comparison. (Career)

Ronaldo : 35 goals and 18 assists in 6654 minutes : G/A every 125 minutes.
Messi : 46 goals and 23 assists in 5479 minutes : G/A every 79 minutes
Benzema: 26 goals and 10 assists in 2932 minutes : G/A every 81 minutes
Torres : 11 goals and 7 assists in 2611 minutes : G/A every 145 minutes.


Feel free to add more if you can find penalty stats for anyone on earth other than Messi or Ronaldo .

For what it's worth I'll add with penalties as well.

Ibra : 28 goals and 17 assists in 6929 minutes : G/A every 154 minutes
Drogba : 39 goals and 12 assists in 5972 minutes : G/A every 117 minutes.
Henry: 51 goas and 15 assists in 8594 minutes : G/A every 130 minutes
Kaka : 27 goals and 22 assists in 5840 minutes : G/A every 119 minutes
Eto 27 goals and 17 assists in 5547 minutes G/A every 126 minutes
Rooney 26 goals and 9 assists in 5365 minutes : G/A every 153 minutes.

You know there were time when no one gave a damn about assists, all it mattered was who scored the goal. Well maybe its a way of trying to prove someone is better or its just the new obssesion, but i just dont think assist should be relevant the way it is here. Oh well, maybe football is about stats afterall.

Le Samourai wrote:Production in open play in Champions League Comparison. (Career)

Ronaldo : 35 goals and 18 assists in 6654 minutes : G/A every 125 minutes.
Messi : 46 goals and 23 assists in 5479 minutes : G/A every 79 minutes
Benzema: 26 goals and 10 assists in 2932 minutes : G/A every 81 minutes
Torres : 11 goals and 7 assists in 2611 minutes : G/A every 145 minutes.


Feel free to add more if you can find penalty stats for anyone on earth other than Messi or Ronaldo .

For what it's worth I'll add with penalties as well.

Ibra : 28 goals and 17 assists in 6929 minutes : G/A every 154 minutes
Drogba : 39 goals and 12 assists in 5972 minutes : G/A every 117 minutes.

Great work

I will try to find the penalty stats for the rest players..

Benzema didn't score any penalty at Real or Lyon (UCL games)... But i don't know if he missed any:P I will work on this later... (although i doubt)

mzamani wrote:You know there were time when no one gave a damn about assists, all it mattered was who scored the goal. Well maybe its a way of trying to prove someone is better or its just the new obssesion, but i just dont think assist should be relevant the way it is here. Oh well, maybe football is about stats afterall.

I don't really care about the stats to be honest , but I will use them to indulge my biases