Brexit: Should the UK stay or go?

Thinking of a flag will be the least of their worries

Replacing the dragon in the Wales flag with a red cross wouldn't be too bad tho

If only Scotland leave then maybe this

all of the leave figureheads distancing themselves from the claims that immigration would fall and the NHS would receive 350m a week that we supposedly save from being out of the EU



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Firenze wrote:all of the leave figureheads distancing themselves from the claims that immigration would fall and the NHS would receive 350m a week that we supposedly save from being out of the EU

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Well the prime minister told a pretty big porky himself.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/18/david-cameron-insists-he-will-stay-on-as-prime-minister-regardle/

when can we start deporting people. can we start right away or do we have to wait until we are fully out of the EU.

Unique wrote:when can we start deporting people. can we start right away or do we have to wait until we are fully out of the EU.

You can try to deport the biggest crooks to Australia again (Farage, Johnson, Gove, Cameron, ...) as you did in the past, but I fear they don't want to take them nowadays ^^

Turns out my dad and step-mother voted leave, while my brother voted remain. Nothing like political strife in the family

They were talking about it earlier. My dad said it was obvious my brother and I would be in favour of remain because we're "European", while my step-mum was like "dem foreigners taking our jobs". Then they joked about how they knew people who woke up Friday morning and though "what have we done".

You should have better lobbied for remain in your family. Heck, a couple years ago I managed to convince my rather Luddite parents who always voted CDU to vote for the Pirate Party in that election - and they assured me that they did XD

Unique wrote:when can we start deporting people. can we start right away or do we have to wait until we are fully out of the EU.

We can't. Those who are already living in the UK will remain in the UK as the new immigration law won't affect them.

Racial incidents being reported throughout the country about people telling Europeans and Asians to "Go back home" and "When are you going back?" and "*bleep* off back to your home already"

RealGunner wrote:Racial incidents being reported throughout the country about people telling Europeans and Asians to "Go back home" and "When are you going back?" and "*bleep* off back to your home already"

Which happens every day of the year. are they saying this never happened before brexit? im not condoning in any way, that is disgusting behaviour but its nothing new.

Well, people are more open about it now. They now have a 'reason' to not hide it within themselves. There is a noticeable rise in these incidents now. A Latvian parent taking her kids to park was discriminated in front of her kids. Laminated cards handed after Brexit vote saying "No more Polish vermin" "Go home Polish scum" That is all types of messed up.

So when will there be yellow stars issued to mark the EU inhabitants in the UK so that they can be more easily spotted?

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it, it seems...

Isn't lex himself an immigrant? I thought he was from Cyprus. Why is he voting leave camp?

the firm I work for is very multicultural my bosses for example are hindu and Punjabi from Kenya and india, we have sri lankans, polish, somalian you name it, one person voted to remain which was my jewish manager with polish ancestry. it is a generalisation to believe that it was only the skinhead English rascist that made up the leave camp.

I personally know a lot of Asians who voted leave as well. My area is multicultural as it gets but the leave votes were 60-40 too. But the problem is that the brexit has given the vocal part of the leave campaigners(Majority also part of UKIP and Britiain first) who now think they are OK with degrading others with racial slurs. Normal people won't join in due to the 'Nothing to do with me' approach. It's quite shameful tbh.

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Unique wrote:when can we start deporting people. can we start right away or do we have to wait until we are fully out of the EU.

We can't. Those who are already living in the UK will remain in the UK as the new immigration law won't affect them.

so we still can't deport criminals even after they have been found guilty. That was one of the reasons I wanted out. Sick of Belgium telling us what laws we have to follow.

Not till new laws comes in place. Probably another year or two.

RealGunner wrote:Not till new laws comes in place. Probably another year or two.

good. We have enough criminals as it is without importing them.

It depends on whether you will leave the Council of Europe, too. The Council of Europe is *not* the EU and as long as you belong to that you have to follow the laws set by the European Court of Human Rights - and *that* is what hinders you to deport criminals if they face torture etc outside of the UK.

Oh, and by the way - the Court is based in Strasbourg, France, and not in Belgium.

Info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights

rwo power wrote:It depends on whether you will leave the Council of Europe, too. The Council of Europe is *not* the EU and as long as you belong to that you have to follow the laws set by the European Court of Human Rights - and *that* is what hinders you to deport criminals if they face torture etc outside of the UK.

Oh, and by the way - the Court is based in Strasbourg, France, and not in Belgium.

Info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights

its stuff like that is why a lot of people voted leave. your average person don't know the law very well but when they see on tv criminals coming to Britain and comiting crimes and we cant do a thing about it. it makes people mad.

Well, obviously voting leave doesn't affect the part on not being able to deport certain criminals at all as it has nothing to do with the EU. So what did you gain then?

All this talk of deporting hard working, tax paying members of society You don't think we'd look to deport murderers, rapists and con artists hiding behind their European Human Rights first?

Oh has it already been discussed how that ridiculous petition is bogus, being signed by the same people multiple times under different aliases and living outside the U.K.?

rwo power wrote:Well, obviously voting leave doesn't affect the part on not being able to deport certain criminals at all as it has nothing to do with the EU. So what did you gain then?

like I said not many people realy know the law. so if people see somone like abu Hamza for argument sake come to Britain scronge dole money and a free house to then only stand on the street and preach terror it makes people mad. then they are told we cant deport him because the euro courts wont let us people get extra mad. they think voting out is there way of hitting back. people see that you have to wait 12 years in some places to get a house unless you can buy one. people see it takes 3 days to see a doctor in some places. some people have to travel miles to take one kid to a difernt school because they are full. now when people look at more and more houses being filled with imigrants. the doctors being full to the rafters with Africans. and schools over run with immigrant kids it makes them mad. if you then tell people that we don't have the money to build my homes. more doctors. more schools and more hospitals it makes people mad. if you then tell them the government gives millions away each week to the EU it tips them over the edge. its all well and good talking about politics and business deals and complicated stuff but that just goes over their heads because it don't affect them. its ok for all you guys that don't live on the low income housing estates to say the people that vote out are dumb and silly. but you don't live in their shoes. the way they see it is simple. stop free immigration and the problem wont get any worst. use the money we save from giving to the EU and make things better.

Lex wrote:All this talk of deporting hard working, tax paying members of society You don't think we'd look to deport murderers, rapists and con artists hiding behind their European Human Rights first?

that's exactly who I would deport