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Post by Art Morte Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:55 pm

They say the table doesn't lie and normally if we visited the 15th placed club, there would be big expectations by us fans to go and get a win. But now the 15th placed team is last season's champions - and I guess deep down everyone are expecting Chelsea to overcome this slump of theirs any time now.

So, what do we expect from this game? Last season a draw from Stamford Bridge would have been a good result. Is it still? Are we going to be the team that helped Chelsea turn their season around or are we going to add to their misery? I really don't know. Feels weird going to Stamford Bridge in these circumstances.


I suppose the latest news on injuries are that Benteke should be available, which is fantastic. Sturridge, well, you know Sturridge. For Chelsea, they're still missing Ivanovic and Costa and Pedro are doubts.

Less than 24 hours until kick-off, would be great if Klopp got his first Premier League win at Stamford Bridge!
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Post by Lucifer Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:32 pm

Any Mourinho is dangerous Mourinho but cornered Mourinho is most dangerous Mourinho.

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Post by Unique Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:23 pm

we never win this game and I don't expect us to change that. we are not scoring goals and mourinho will park the bus. so that's a clean sheet for them. it depends if they can grab a goal or 2
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Post by El Gunner Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:24 pm

There hasn't been much from you guys to impress the neutrals since Kloppo joined, not even the usual short term injection of goals and victories when a manager joins a club, so I don't know. You guys look extremely weak going forward, sure you may be more organised now, so things may be pointing to a draw, but I have a feeling Chelsea will win it by two goals to one.

Like you said, sooner or later Chelsea have to start getting something right.
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Post by Unique Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:30 pm

El Gunner wrote:There hasn't been much from you guys to impress the neutrals since Kloppo joined, not even the usual short term injection of goals and victories when a manager joins a club, so I don't know. You guys look extremely weak going forward, sure you may be more organised now, so things may be pointing to a draw, but I have a feeling Chelsea will win it by two goals to one.

Like you said, sooner or later Chelsea have to start getting something right.
if we had a fully fit tekkers Sturridge and ings our goal scoring would be much better. its like arsenal losing Walcott sanchez and and g-rod.
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Post by McAgger Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:38 pm

Klopp has been really unlucky with his forwards.

He's had to start Origi in all 4 matches so far. Laughing
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Post by Art Morte Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:15 pm

I'd rather start Firmino as striker than Origi tbh.
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Post by Unique Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:36 pm

Art Morte wrote:I'd rather start Firmino as striker than Origi tbh.
I agree mate.
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Post by iftikhar Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:59 pm

I think both Bently and Firmino will start. Question is who (aside Origi) will be dropped??? Milner! Coutinho!! Lallana!!!

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Post by Art Morte Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:05 pm

Lallana is the easiest name to drop, I suppose.

The big question is that if both Coutinho and Firmino start, like they probably will, where will they play? Christmas Tree still?
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Post by iftikhar Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:21 pm

Based on the first three games under Klopp, Coutinho should be dropped. On the other hand, Coutinho should benefit from having a target-man (Bently) and a runner (Firmino) in front of him.
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Post by El Gunner Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:25 pm

Firmino is far from being the best runner/outlet though Laughing

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Post by McAgger Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:26 pm

It would be dumb to drop Coutinho I don't care how his form has been. He genuinely looks the only player to create something.

And unlike you people I don't think his form has been anywhere near as bad as people say.
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Post by iftikhar Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:30 pm

Don't call me James wrote:It would be dumb to drop Coutinho I don't care how his form has been. He genuinely looks the only player to create something.

And unlike you people I don't think his form has been anywhere near as bad as people say.
Yes, he is the only player who can create something. And No, he has been really bad (average) in last few games.
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Post by McAgger Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:32 pm

Then we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Lucifer Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:34 pm

This team doesn't have so much talent to bench Coutinho however shit he may be. Looking forward to to see Lallana,was very impressive against Southampton.

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Post by Unique Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:48 pm

Pirloisjesus wrote:This team doesn't have so much talent to bench Coutinho however shit he may be. Looking forward to to see Lallana,was very impressive against Southampton.
the problem with Lallana is he looks like he is on the ball making things happen. but his stats at the end of the game say he didn't do much at all. his end product needs to be better imo.
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Post by iftikhar Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:19 pm

Unique wrote:
Pirloisjesus wrote:This team doesn't have so much talent to bench Coutinho however shit he may be. Looking forward to to see Lallana,was very impressive against Southampton.
the problem with Lallana is he looks like he is on the ball making things happen. but his stats at the end of the game say he didn't do much at all. his end product needs to be better imo.
Lallana gave the word inconsistent a whole new dimension eco smile . Usually players are inconsistent over a string of games, but he can be sublime one minute and disappear altogether five minutes later :brickwall: .
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Post by El Gunner Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:00 pm

Really disappointed by Lallana so far and his time at Liverpool. Thought he would've blew up by now.
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Post by McAgger Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:02 pm

At the very least he's not as afraid to be on the ball as resilient Stewie Downing. That's not saying much Laughing
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Post by Helmer Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:19 pm

I would drop one of Milner or Can, the midfield play is so poor, that I want my pick eyes out seriously. I would play a 4-2-3-1 and play Firmino behind Benteke. Lallana must play, he is the only one who makes runs other than a striker in the team. I am sure Firmino and Coutinho will find Lallana and Benteke at the right time and right position. Firmino himself will make runs.

I would actually drop Milner instead of Can. I think Lucas and Can will be a better pair than Milner-Lucas.

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Post by Unique Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:33 pm

Helmer wrote:I would drop one of Milner or Can, the midfield play is so poor, that I want my pick eyes out seriously. I would play a 4-2-3-1 and play Firmino behind Benteke. Lallana must play, he is the only one who makes runs other than a striker in the team. I am sure Firmino and Coutinho will find Lallana and Benteke at the right time and right position. Firmino himself will make runs.

I would actually drop Milner instead of Can. I think Lucas and Can will be a better pair than Milner-Lucas.
the thing is milner is a klopp typ of player. the problem we have and I said this before is we have to many of the same types of player in mf.
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Post by Art Morte Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:59 pm

I'd be tempted to tell Milner and Lucas to stay back and give Can a more free role. Clearly the lad's got talent, but we need to figure out how to unleash it the best.
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Post by Art Morte Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:03 pm

I mean, Milner isn't going to become anything more we're seeing from him. If anything, I've been slightly disappointed by Milner. I thought he was going to offer more in attack. But he's looked like a very limited CM. For me, Can would be the perfect guy to fill this hole. He could easily become more than what we're seeing from him.
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Post by Helmer Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:07 pm

In that sense Milner can do more damage than Can. Can is not ready yet to do that kind of job.

My role for Can in midfield two with Lucas, will be to offer his physicality, hardwork in midfield, offer quick passes in the midfield to our attacking four. Can has better composure to play good midfield passes than Milner.

But if you are asking Can do something on hos own with a free role, I would say it wont work right now. The lad is clearly learning and makes so many wrong passes.

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