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Post by Adit Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:02 pm

Wait so France have accepted back those who trained in ISIS knowingly? Unbelievable. They are a threat to the society for f sake, this is when intelligence agency should abuse the law and jail them for some times for some made up cases with made up proofs.

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Post by EarlyPrototype Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:11 pm

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rwo power wrote:I have to admit it is totally beyond my comprehension how people can be so twisted and evil to do such horrors. What the heck is wrong with mankind that it is possible for people to develop into such insane creatures?
religion


Religion is not the reason for the attacks. Religion is just an excuse for these psychopathic barbarians.

@El Gunner, great post, however just wanted to point out that 0.001% is a more accurate representation of the number of muslim terrorists.

People now being evacuated from Gatwick Airport in London due to a bomb threat.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:32 pm

Not one mention of the terrorist attack in Lebanon, but I guess we focus only on people that matter.
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Post by Jay29 Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:41 pm

People now being evacuated from Gatwick Airport in London due to a bomb threat.

The north terminal at Gatwick was evacuated due to security finding a suspicious package. An arrest was made but they've not confirmed what was in the package yet, which, as you can imagine, is fuelling all sorts of social media speculation (man with gun, bag with a grenade, etc).

Neither BBC or Sky are doing any major coverage of the Gatwick situation. All seems very precautionary right now.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:52 pm

The context in France is also very particular, they have a long history with Maghreb countries and a very large muslim community in their country as well. Problem is that it's a community that has been continuously antagonized and mocked for its lack of education and poverty, when they are actually pushed away and marginalized.

If you look at the ghettos in France, population is from maghreb descent, afrian descents as well, poor people concentrated in poor areas who are not given much chance for most to get out of it and to do better with their lives. Remember Sarkozy calling them "racailles" (thugs) ?

That's what those terrorrists organization are feeding on. It's not surprising that there are almost 1200 french citizen that fled to syria to train with isis. and this is pretty much the result. some have been killed, some have been arrested, but most are still out there and planning those attacks.

Just saying this because no one will talk about the social context which is very particular in France, the focus is on blaming ISIS and the islamic state, yet their recruiting started years ago.

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Post by El Messico Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:55 pm

The people who blame Islam - how exactly are moderate Muslims expected to react? That's what I don't understand.

If (not really if tbh, it's an undoubted fact) there are people who are being brainwashed using stuff written in the scriptures - are moderate Muslims supposed to change the scriptures? Is that even possible, where there is a general printing press of Qurans and all you need to do is make some edits on MS Word.

And then there is also the fact that how you define Islam defines how you view this situation. Do you define Islam based on its scriptures, or do you define Islam based on the actions of Muslims? It's not really fair to do the former, because that would make most religions atleast partly barbaric. And if you go by the latter, then the numbers are not in your favour.

Anyway these IS guys are cray-cray:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-paris-attacks-105251415.html



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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:07 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:The context in France is also very particular, they have a long history with Maghreb countries and a very large muslim community in their country as well. Problem is that it's a community that has been continuously antagonized and mocked for its lack of education and poverty, when they are actually pushed away and marginalized.

If you look at the ghettos in France, population is from maghreb descent, afrian descents as well, poor people concentrated in poor areas who are not given much chance for most to get out of it and to do better with their lives. Remember Sarkozy calling them "racailles" (thugs) ?

That's what those terrorrists organization are feeding on. It's not surprising that there are almost 1200 french citizen that fled to syria to train with isis. and this is pretty much the result. some have been killed, some have been arrested, but most are still out there and planning those attacks.

Just saying this because no one will talk about the social context which is very particular in France, the focus is on blaming ISIS and the islamic state, yet their recruiting started years ago.



Very important points.
I know little about this, but it always struck me as a particular amalgamation of specific France problems (those Banlieue problems have been news on and off for many years) and global politics.
Because in previous attacks, the perpetrators were French kids.
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Post by rwo power Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:31 pm

El Messico wrote:The people who blame Islam - how exactly are moderate Muslims expected to react? That's what I don't understand.
IMO it would be a step that all moderate Imams spread the info that people who abuse the Islam like this will burn in hell and won't gain any 72 or so women in Paradise?  

If these extremists are brainwashed by religious motives, counteract this with widespread publications that use religious imagery in connection with how Allah would despise them for their deeds and punish them in the afterlife etc.? Maybe this could be an idea to try?
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Post by Lucifer Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:49 pm

People blaming Islam as whole are doing what exactly this mofo terrorists want. They want us to look suspiciously towards every Muslim so that they teach them how people hate them and only their so called brothers care about them. Mind u these organizations run on the fuel of hate. It's hate that makes one person blow 1000 people who he hasn't ever seen in his whole life. May sound cliche but hate and suspicion breed these kind animals . If u hold responsible a completely innocent Muslim for these cowardly acts no doubt u are sowing very poisonous seeds which are going to yeid the poisonous fruits in near future. So lets not help these Terrorists by doing exactly what they want. Let's show them we are united and no amount of this cowardly attacks are going to affect that.

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Post by El Messico Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:06 pm

rwo power wrote:
El Messico wrote:The people who blame Islam - how exactly are moderate Muslims expected to react? That's what I don't understand.
IMO it would be a step that all moderate Imams spread the info that people who abuse the Islam like this will burn in hell and won't gain any 72 or so women in Paradise?  

If these extremists are brainwashed by religious motives, counteract this with widespread publications that use religious imagery in connection with how Allah would despise them for their deeds and punish them in the afterlife etc.? Maybe this could be an idea to try?


I'm fairly certain that most imams advise and teach the same to the people of their mosques when they condemn these attacks.

Could you clarify what you mean by widespread publications? Are you talking about a long-term thing or statements geared towards the present?

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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:17 pm

First attacker apparently identified - "A Frenchman known to secret services and police"
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Post by Robespierre Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:20 pm

The terrorists are often ppl with no identity. they are often   French citizens , immigrant's sons  but the French society wasn't able to integrate. In France they do not feel French for their ... past,  but even in their original country ( and this is the underrated factor ) aren't accepted for their.. present.  
They finish at a limbo , without identity combined with serious mental problems, and through the recruitment  realized by Imam who indoctrinate them,  they became ncontrollable things ( I cant't say " men " , impossible to reform . They grow in hatred, they are instigated to hate, teach hate, live for hatred. It must  be eradicated but it is hard to get it  with bombs.
And you can notice the different mode of action than Al Qaeda . Al Qaeda destroy the place of power, yesterday ISIS  got a massacre at a restaurant, at a theater, at a stadium . The public places.  Killing the everyday means killing twice.


Anyway  the ISIS is losing at their home.  
And more they see away their dream of a Caliphate in Siraq, more their militants will take the path of martyrdom, bringing with him many people as possible, throwing more and more into a war so generalized.
A month ago Ankara.
Two days ago Beirut.
Yesterday Paris.

They fear just .... the women.
If there is really a thing to annoy  the ISIS , that thing is to fight against a woman.
in their fanaticism , they get the paradise with 72 virgins if they die martyr for Allah . Except if they are killed by a woman , in that case their paradise is occluded.
This is the reason why ISIS  hates to fight  against  the female PKK.


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Post by El Messico Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:23 pm

Robespierre wrote:
in their fanaticism , they get the paradise with 72 virgins if they die martyr for Allah . Except if they are killed by a woman , in that case their paradise is occluded.


That sounds so counter-intuitive. Surely it would make more sense that they wouldn't get the virgins if they kill a woman? Rather than if they were killed by a woman?

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Post by Amar Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:23 pm

Absolutely shocking events. I just don't see how we can win against these barbaric suicidal animals who have this nothing to lose mentality. I agree with someone's statement where violence begets more violence but there's no alternative now, especially after Hollande's promise of 'merciless revenge'. In the middle of this are innocent Muslims who will have to endure abuse once again.
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Post by Robespierre Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:24 pm

El Messico wrote:
Robespierre wrote:
in their fanaticism , they get the paradise with 72 virgins if they die martyr for Allah . Except if they are killed by a woman , in that case their paradise is occluded.


That sounds so counter-intuitive. Surely it would make more sense that they wouldn't get the virgins if they kill a woman? Rather than if they were killed by a woman?


A woman policeman was killed at Charlie Hebdo.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:32 pm

Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP 3m3 minutes ago
#BREAKING Frenchman arrested at London Gatwick airport with weapon: police
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Post by rwo power Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:38 pm

El Messico wrote:I'm fairly certain that most imams advise and teach the same to the people of their mosques when they condemn these attacks.

Could you clarify what you mean by widespread publications? Are you talking about a long-term thing or statements geared towards the present?
I mean on all kinds of media available so that it maybe can somehow reach the extremists and possible sow some doubts whether it is really a good idea to act as they act?

If they preach to their normal audience, this may hopefully prevent these to turn to mindless killing machines as the radicalised guys are, but I wonder why it shouldn't be possible to reach the ones that went into training camps and "only" got a some weeks long brainwashing and make them see the errors of their ways.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:50 pm

I don't even think it's about their imaginary 72 virgins anymore. They all share a mental illness which makes them think they are back in the 12th century and want to drag the world back into the middle ages. They hate moderate muslims as much as they hate non-muslims. They can't stand the fact people are trying to merge in and that people are progressing forward. They see Muslims in Europe and they can't stand the fact they aren't confined in their self made ghettos preaching to each other about how superior they are and how all non-muslims need to be eradicated. They want to drive people away from each other. Like Viva said earlier, that's their number one aim. To create hatred among communities. To regress civilisation back to the ages where everyone lived in their own bubble.

ISIS don't belong in this time (or any). And they will try to take down anyone who they think is a threat, and moderate muslims are one of their biggest threats.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:51 pm

REPORT: Three of the men involved in the #Paris attacks thought to have lived in #Brussels, police raids happening there now - @SkyNews
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Post by DuringTheWar Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:55 pm

Robespierre wrote:The terrorists are often ppl with no identity. they are often   French citizens , immigrant's sons  but the French society wasn't able to integrate. In France they do not feel French for their ... past,  but even in their original country ( and this is the underrated factor ) aren't accepted for their.. present.  
They finish at a limbo , without identity combined with serious mental problems, and through the recruitment  realized by Imam who indoctrinate them,  they became ncontrollable things ( I cant't say " men " , impossible to reform . They grow in hatred, they are instigated to hate, teach hate, live for hatred. It must  be eradicated but it is hard to get it  with bombs.


Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes, far left, Irish republicans, neo nazis, etc.

Oh, and some 18th century Frenchmen, such as Maximilien Robespierre ......
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Post by RealGunner Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:56 pm

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"The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives.' - Hunter S. Thompson, 9/12/01


"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."
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Post by Robespierre Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:00 pm


rwo power wrote:
El Messico wrote:I'm fairly certain that most imams advise and teach the same to the people of their mosques when they condemn these attacks.

Could you clarify what you mean by widespread publications? Are you talking about a long-term thing or statements geared towards the present?
I mean on all kinds of media available so that it maybe can somehow reach the extremists and possible sow some doubts whether it is really a good idea to act as they act?

If they preach to their normal audience, this may hopefully prevent these to turn to mindless killing machines as the radicalised guys are, but I wonder why it shouldn't be possible to reach the ones that went into training camps and "only" got a some weeks long brainwashing and make them see the errors of their ways.



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Post by DuringTheWar Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:04 pm

Some report emerging one of the suicide bombers came to Europe through Greece amongst the refugees.

Will wait for more details but this has bad potential
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:07 pm


rwo power wrote:
El Messico wrote:The people who blame Islam - how exactly are moderate Muslims expected to react? That's what I don't understand.
IMO it would be a step that all moderate Imams spread the info that people who abuse the Islam like this will burn in hell and won't gain any 72 or so women in Paradise?  

If these extremists are brainwashed by religious motives, counteract this with widespread publications that use religious imagery in connection with how Allah would despise them for their deeds and punish them in the afterlife etc.? Maybe this could be an idea to try?


Muslims already do more than the West to combat ISIS. Who do you think is on the frontline and containing ISIS in the Middle East? America? Russia? lol. If you are unaware it is actually the Kurdish fighters (99% muslim) who are giving all they have to push back ISIS. Out numbered and out gunned and still unlike the young Arab men cowardly fleeing Syria they are holding their ground.

The Kurdish people are the heroes we need. A large part of the Kurdish resistance includes many female fighters. And I find it very thrilling knowing that these female warriors are kicking ISIS' asses and are eliminating their rights to "72 virgins". WIN WIN. Baffles me why America does not send nearly enough supplies to the Kurds.
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Post by Grande_Milano Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:09 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:Some report emerging one of the suicide bombers came to Europe through Greece amongst the refugees.

Will wait for more details but this has bad potential


I was right then.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:53 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:
rwo power wrote:
El Messico wrote:The people who blame Islam - how exactly are moderate Muslims expected to react? That's what I don't understand.
IMO it would be a step that all moderate Imams spread the info that people who abuse the Islam like this will burn in hell and won't gain any 72 or so women in Paradise?  

If these extremists are brainwashed by religious motives, counteract this with widespread publications that use religious imagery in connection with how Allah would despise them for their deeds and punish them in the afterlife etc.? Maybe this could be an idea to try?


Muslims already do more than the West to combat ISIS. Who do you think is on the frontline and containing ISIS in the Middle East? America? Russia? lol. If you are unaware it is actually the Kurdish fighters (99% muslim) who are giving all they have to push back ISIS. Out numbered and out gunned and still unlike the young Arab men cowardly fleeing Syria they are holding their ground.

The Kurdish people are the heroes we need. A large part of the Kurdish resistance includes many female fighters. And I find it very thrilling knowing that these female warriors are kicking ISIS' asses and are eliminating their rights to "72 virgins". WIN WIN. Baffles me why America does not send nearly enough supplies to the Kurds.


Because of Turkey of course. The PKK has been put onto the terror list of most European countries due to Turkey's lobbying.

Turkey was actually BOMBING Kurdish fighter recently. They don't get the help and assistance they deserve because the West doesn't want full on conflict with Turkey over the issue.

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