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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:09 am

ES wrote:Feeling unsafe knowing there might be an attack on London..


Where are you staying? near anywhere high profile? Not like it makes it any better because someone will be effected should they attack.

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Post by RedOranje Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:10 am

Incomprehensible. It is impossible for me to even imagine how those involved, directly or indirectly, feel at this moment and words fail in properly expressing the distress, grief, and concern for them.

We should even in such emotional circumstances, ESPECIALLY in such emotional circumstances, keep some perspective and control our more base instinctual reactions. Before blaming or cursing anyone or any group, let's wait for reliable information on the perpetrators and their motives and before we curse humanity (or any segment thereof) en masse let us remember that ultimately violence begets violence, hate begets hate, and death only invites more death. Though they may not share our values for life and law, we should not abandon them. May those who perpetrated these heinous acts face proper justice in this life, and whatever (G)od(s) or powers that may be visit ultimate judgement on them once beyond. That is for the (perhaps near) future though, for now my thoughts are on and wishes with the victims, their families and friends, and those in Paris at this moment.
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Post by M99 Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:11 am

El Gunner wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Humans are inherently evil. Religion, Politics etc are just enablers.
Nah. I know what you're trying to say, but the first part is poor phrasing.


What he meant is a lot of humans are inherently evil not all. You could change "a lot" to "some" if you want to but the point still stands.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:14 am

BFMTV: over 100 people dead in the bataclan, 3 terrorrists killed

good lord
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Post by sportsczy Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:16 am

All humans are inherently capable of evil and good...  it comes down to programming (i.e. upbringing, social pressures, other influences, etc.) whether a person chooses to do good or evil.

Also keep in mind that "good" and "evil" are just terms.  Defining them in someone's mind is again dependent on their programming.  So although we may see today as pure "evil", the terrorists are programmed to see these events as a blessing.

To me, you're never going to defeat this thinking unless you attack it at the sources... namely, the places and people performing the programming.

The people in power in these organizations are rarely the ones carrying out the attacks.  You're just seeing the soldiers in action.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:19 am

RedOranje wrote:Incomprehensible. It is impossible for me to even imagine how those involved, directly or indirectly, feel at this moment and words fail in properly expressing the distress, grief, and concern for them.

We should even in such emotional circumstances, ESPECIALLY in such emotional circumstances, keep some perspective and control our more base instinctual reactions. Before blaming or cursing anyone or any group, let's wait for reliable information on the perpetrators and their motives and before we curse humanity (or any segment thereof) en masse let us remember that ultimately violence begets violence, hate begets hate, and death only invites more death. Though they may not share our values for life and law, we should not abandon them. May those who perpetrated these heinous acts face proper justice in this life, and whatever (G)od(s) or powers that may be visit ultimate judgement on them once beyond. That is for the (perhaps near) future though, for now my thoughts are on and wishes with the victims, their families and friends, and those in Paris at this moment.


Fantastic post
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Post by LeVersacci Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:19 am

Will the countries finally do something about ISIS? Speechless how they haven't been stopped yet.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:20 am

Robespierre wrote:I  think , now,  to Ronald  Reegan who wants to satisfy his sheriff  attitude and so as to destroy an agonizing - dying USSR arms and finances for years the ancestors of Al Qaeida ...
Basically everything comes from there.
Then we had the Talibans , 11 September and other  wicked "export of democracy" made by Bush and everything degenerated completely. ..


Yep. We can go further back of course in the history of geopolitical meddling.

But it's absolutely mind boggling what a monumental, consequential crime and *bleep* the Iraq War was. And the people who perpetrated it are free and going about their business, becase hey, let's look forward not backwards right, Obama? No
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Post by RealGunner Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:20 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:BFMTV: over 100 people dead in the bataclan, 3 terrorrists killed

good lord


Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP 6m6 minutes ago
#BREAKING Around 100 dead in attack on Paris concert venue: police


Looks like it's confirmed.

Was hoping there was a lot of misinformation and the toll would be less than 40.


Awful. One of the worst attacks in recent years. A true black mark in history.

Thoughts with everyone
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Post by Robespierre Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:21 am

The same terrible feeling of impotence and disbelief had during the 11 September.
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Post by •MilanDevil• Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:22 am

Even if the terrorists are killed, they have already won. People will be divided and they will have the chance to recruit much more people. They probably think of it as a game, sacrifice 5 and recruit 100 more.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:23 am

ES wrote:Feeling unsafe knowing there might be an attack on London..
Nah I don't think you should be very concerned. Because first UK and US have better security.
Secondly, SURELY, SURELY after this major steps are going to have to be taken against Isis.
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Post by sportsczy Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:24 am

LeVersacci wrote:Will the countries finally do something about ISIS? Speechless how they haven't been stopped yet.

ISIS was Al Qaeda and will be something else in a few years.... it's an ideology. How do you stop ideology? You can defeat the current incarnation of the ideology with weapons. But you need to start targeting people's hearts and minds. We've let his fester for centuries. It's not something that's going to happen quickly assuming we actually implement a policy that targets people's hearts and minds... which we haven't started yet.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:27 am

ES wrote:Feeling unsafe knowing there might be an attack on London..


Don't worry, we have probably the best security in the world against event such as these.

However it's highly likely there will be attempts at other cities too. But security will be tighter as well.

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Post by rwo power Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:28 am

All this reminds me of a paragraph from a short story:
I walk towards the next booth of the Billion Year Fair where heaps of crystal drops are glistening on black velvet.
A sign next to them says "Crystal tears from the Earth, 7 a piece for a good wish."
"Why have the crystal tears become so cheap?" I ask the man behind the counter.
"They let the girl who cries them watch the news every day", he replies.
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Post by Robespierre Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:28 am

ES wrote:Feeling unsafe knowing there might be an attack on London..

In 2016 there is even the Jubilee in Rome Neutral
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Post by •MilanDevil• Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:28 am

sportsczy wrote:
LeVersacci wrote:Will the countries finally do something about ISIS? Speechless how they haven't been stopped yet.

ISIS was Al Qaeda and will be something else in a few years.... it's an ideology. How do you stop ideology? You can defeat the current incarnation of the ideology with weapons. But you need to start targeting people's hearts and minds. We've let his fester for centuries. It's not something that's going to happen quickly assuming we actually implement a policy that targets people's hearts and minds... which we haven't started yet.


Exactly, this is the only solution. People need to be educated and given different perspectives. Imagine this, there is a person born in a room and has lived his entire life in this room, he is taught that the people on the other end of the door are bad and that they deserve to die. Due to that lack of a different perspective, the person will no doubt attack the people on the other side of the door.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:29 am

Not sure how true it is, but twitter is saying ISIS have taking responsibility and their next attacks are London, Rome and Washington.

Could be bollocks, in fact it probably is but thought i'd mention it.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:29 am

sportsczy wrote:
LeVersacci wrote:Will the countries finally do something about ISIS? Speechless how they haven't been stopped yet.

ISIS was Al Qaeda and will be something else in a few years....  it's an ideology.  How do you stop ideology?  You can defeat the current incarnation of the ideology with weapons.  But you need to start targeting people's hearts and minds.  We've let his fester for centuries.  It's not something that's going to happen quickly assuming we actually implement a policy that targets people's hearts and minds... which we haven't started yet.


Not destabilizing governmental structures all over a region, and not indescriminately arming and funding 'rebel groups' and 'freedom fighters' out of short sighted tactical reasons might be a start.
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Post by sportsczy Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:35 am

The issue is that we don't respect the people of these countries... we view these countries according to who can exercise authority and power.  These authorities are often brutalizing their people to gain power.  As democratic countries, you would think that we'd understand the power of the people as opposed to temporary power figures.  By ignoring the people and supporting authoritative regimes made us the enemy since we were supporting the source of people's misery....  that view isn't going to change.

Until recently, there's wasn't much the extremists segment of these people could do directly to us... so we didn't care.  But now they can.  Unfortunately, we're suffering the consequences of our own foreign policy.


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Post by LeVersacci Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:36 am

Have they captured any or are they all dead?

What's the death count? Reading lots of different numbers..
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Post by RealGunner Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:37 am

Is it even confirmed who actually was behind the attacks?

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Post by sportsczy Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:38 am

death count is 118 so far... there were 6-7 different attack sites according the Deputy Mayor of Paris. So it's very hard for them to get exact numbers and they expect it to go up drastically. But so far, it's over 118 and that's only one 1 of the sites (the Bataclan). When they add the other sites...
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Post by sportsczy Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:40 am

RealGunner wrote:Is it even confirmed who actually was behind the attacks?


That's the fear.... Charlie Hebdo attack was taken responsibility for by ISIS very shortly after it happened. Since there is no official responsibility taken, they police feel that it's not over yet... they will only take responsibility when everything in the operation is finished.
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Post by •MilanDevil• Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:43 am

I just noticed that today is Friday the 13th. Could they have been planning for this exact day for some time?
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Post by FennecFox7 Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:48 am

my condolences out to the people who were killed. i swear if its an algerian that did it then wow, they really dont *bleep* learn ever. sure theres oppression, especailly among white collar jobs but this is not the way to do it. an eye for an eye is primitive. france is a beautiful country with an excellent democracy.. show them wrong with hardwork and non violence, not this disgusting shit

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