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Grande_Milano wrote:Moar refugess right, Hans and Viva?
Hope you never manage to get a visa again.
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El Gunner wrote: blaming refugees.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html
It's not directly a fault of refugees but indirectly of course. They coming into Europe are mainly the cause of that. Otherwise terrorists couldnt sneak in the numbers they can among legit refugees.
Anyhow even "legit" refugees are problem, not only the terrorists among them. I've seen footage and it's a great problem. And the fact that most of them are males (even over 75% i'm hearing) is ridiculous. Go back and fight for your country and not fool Europe.
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linetty wrote:El Gunner wrote: blaming refugees.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html
It's not directly a fault of refugees but indirectly of course. They coming into Europe are mainly the cause of that. Otherwise terrorists couldnt sneak in the numbers they can among legit refugees.
Anyhow even "legit" refugees are problem, not only the terrorists among them. I've seen footage and it's a great problem. And the fact that most of them are males (even over 75% i'm hearing) is ridiculous. Go back and fight for your country and not fool Europe.
Fight with terrorists instead of you know peacefully go somwhere else where his family is safe.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
And besides this is completely off topic. We already have a thread where we discuss refugees.
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urbaNRoots wrote:linetty wrote:El Gunner wrote: blaming refugees.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html
It's not directly a fault of refugees but indirectly of course. They coming into Europe are mainly the cause of that. Otherwise terrorists couldnt sneak in the numbers they can among legit refugees.
Anyhow even "legit" refugees are problem, not only the terrorists among them. I've seen footage and it's a great problem. And the fact that most of them are males (even over 75% i'm hearing) is ridiculous. Go back and fight for your country and not fool Europe.
Fight with terrorists instead of you know peacefully go somwhere else where his family is safe.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
And besides this is completely off topic. We already have a thread where we discuss refugees.
What families you talkin about lol? Those refugees are mainly 20-30 year-old males that are just using Europe to get money for nothing. You'll pay for them with taxes.
Those who let them in are regretting this greatly. This like a plague.
And its not offtopic. The refugee flooding is the cause of the attacks, partly.
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It is off topic. You want to discuss about the refugee then do it in the refugee thread.
Stop going off topic again.
Stop going off topic again.
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a lot of these people are people born in france who travel to syria for whatever reason to join isis, not necessarily immigrants. from what i hear, germany has taken in more immigrants than france. refugee flooding needs to be monitored, but not necessarily for issues relating to isis- if you already find it difficult providing gainful employment for your youth, and have a depleting middle class, it will be tough to prioritize refugee migration and good living for them.
there is more to this issue than refugee flooding, especially when you take into consideration that its been going on for years in different parts of the globe. the internet has been used as a heavy recruiting tool, based on reports i'm hearing, and refugees aren't necessarily the only ones recruited. its just crazy, but even if one closed their boarders, when people born in the country can move to where they want and return, things like this can still occur. its now a case of monitoring travel and movement from certain parts of the world....and even then, idiots and cowards like these will look for a way to get around such....its just sad. peace and condolences to the victims
there is more to this issue than refugee flooding, especially when you take into consideration that its been going on for years in different parts of the globe. the internet has been used as a heavy recruiting tool, based on reports i'm hearing, and refugees aren't necessarily the only ones recruited. its just crazy, but even if one closed their boarders, when people born in the country can move to where they want and return, things like this can still occur. its now a case of monitoring travel and movement from certain parts of the world....and even then, idiots and cowards like these will look for a way to get around such....its just sad. peace and condolences to the victims
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just saw the 'off topic' post after i had sent my write up....my apologies, i'll stay off any rebuttals/responses that have nothing to do with the topic
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BBC: Islamic State claims responsibility for attacks
In a statement published online, the jihadist group said the attacks were designed to show France it remained a "top target".
The group claims it studied the target locations and carried out the attack using "eight brothers wearing explosive belts and carrying assault rifles".
In a statement published online, the jihadist group said the attacks were designed to show France it remained a "top target".
The group claims it studied the target locations and carried out the attack using "eight brothers wearing explosive belts and carrying assault rifles".
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Grande_Milano wrote:Moar refugess right, Hans and Viva?
You are disgusting and any of my thoughts would get me banned right now.
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Sickening news.
RIP.
RIP.
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This shouldn't be happening a world power like France with modern intelligence apparatus. I read that the German national team were evacuated from their hotel long before the game started, and a man got caught with machine guns and explosives in Germany on his way to France days before the attacks...How could they not connect the dots and take the threat seriously? Then there's that comment by Sports about 1500 known syria returnees, really?
So anyone is allowed back in to France after being trained by terrorists? This was preventable and many people should get fired for their incompetence imho.
RIP to the victims.
So anyone is allowed back in to France after being trained by terrorists? This was preventable and many people should get fired for their incompetence imho.
RIP to the victims.
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The so-called Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the attacks in Paris.
In a statement published online, the jihadist group said the attacks were designed to show France it remained a "top target".
The group claims it studied the target locations and carried out the attack using "eight brothers wearing explosive belts and carrying assault rifles".
Hope every one of those ISIS *bleep* get ebola and die a painful death
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:ES wrote:Feeling unsafe knowing there might be an attack on London..
Where are you staying? near anywhere high profile? Not like it makes it any better because someone will be effected should they attack.
I'm staying next to a High Street
RealGunner wrote:ES wrote:Feeling unsafe knowing there might be an attack on London..
Don't worry, we have probably the best security in the world against event such as these.
However it's highly likely there will be attempts at other cities too. But security will be tighter as well.
Hopefully nothing comes to light
El Gunner wrote:Nah I don't think you should be very concerned. Because first UK and US have better security.ES wrote:Feeling unsafe knowing there might be an attack on London..
Secondly, SURELY, SURELY after this major steps are going to have to be taken against Isis.
Im hoping thats the case
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These people are not refugees,lets not blame them.
These are over religious guys born and brought up in France joining ISIS and returning as complete haters.
Its not just limited to france.. lot of Indian youth also went to Syria, to fight the holy war ( ) , many of them engineers and wealthy people. This is not because of lack of education or lack of money...the root cause is lack of proper religious education. Its time state intervenes in what is getting taught in religious centers, if hate is what they are teaching then those centers have to be shut down, religious or not. Religious people should either take initiative in preventing those hateful religious centers or allow the state to intervene (dont protest etc).. The Christians could control their religious institutions since their administrative structure is centralized and is easily controllable. The Islamic religious centers doesnt have any centralized power so to each madrasa its own syllabus i guess..that is where the problems comes from.
Last but not the least,the sunni countries. The wealthy people of these sunni countries was the finiancial back bone of this ISIS until it took over Iraq and started selling Oil to generate money. These countries also have some responsibilities and the UN should sanction them if money is flowing into ISIS from these countries.
These are over religious guys born and brought up in France joining ISIS and returning as complete haters.
Its not just limited to france.. lot of Indian youth also went to Syria, to fight the holy war ( ) , many of them engineers and wealthy people. This is not because of lack of education or lack of money...the root cause is lack of proper religious education. Its time state intervenes in what is getting taught in religious centers, if hate is what they are teaching then those centers have to be shut down, religious or not. Religious people should either take initiative in preventing those hateful religious centers or allow the state to intervene (dont protest etc).. The Christians could control their religious institutions since their administrative structure is centralized and is easily controllable. The Islamic religious centers doesnt have any centralized power so to each madrasa its own syllabus i guess..that is where the problems comes from.
Last but not the least,the sunni countries. The wealthy people of these sunni countries was the finiancial back bone of this ISIS until it took over Iraq and started selling Oil to generate money. These countries also have some responsibilities and the UN should sanction them if money is flowing into ISIS from these countries.
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These guys, by the way, are the exact people most refugees are running from, hence my disgust earlier.
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There is no 'proper' religious education, religion can be interpreted any way, thats why there are Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Ahmadia etc
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ES wrote:There is no 'proper' religious education, religion can be interpreted any way, thats why there are Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Ahmadia etc
All of them can be considered different religions in my opinion although when ever i talked to them all of them says they are the true muslims.
What ever that is not the issue . The issue is weather there is hate getting taught at religious centers, which is a clear YES from my own experience. What ever the religious education is if that education is making intolerance ,encouraging parallel societies and is straight up a threat to national security then those religious education has to be banned. Doesnt matter if the religious center is run by sikhs,Budhas,Muslims or Christains. If the religious people cant stop it then let the state intervene.
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The statement ISIS put out after the Charlie Hebdo attack specifically said "Muslims in the West will quickly find themselves between one of two choices." Elimination of coexistence as a possibility is a primary objective for them.
Domestic crackdowns (and probably another ground war in the middle east) is exactly what they wants - both result in more radicalism and more recruits. Given the combination of fear and bloodlust in the air currently, they will probably wind up getting one (or both) of those things.
Domestic crackdowns (and probably another ground war in the middle east) is exactly what they wants - both result in more radicalism and more recruits. Given the combination of fear and bloodlust in the air currently, they will probably wind up getting one (or both) of those things.
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Right now world's biggest disease is extremist ideology, until they're completely rooted out we'll continue to see such massacre happens.
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Ground war is what they have been wanting for years. They know countries will hesitate to strike by air because of civilian casualties.
But something has to be done. It's time ISIS starts getting treated as Nazis before more innocent suffers.
But something has to be done. It's time ISIS starts getting treated as Nazis before more innocent suffers.
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Swanhends wrote:The statement ISIS put out after the Charlie Hebdo attack specifically said "Muslims in the West will quickly find themselves between one of two choices." Elimination of coexistence as a possibility is a primary objective for them.
Domestic crackdowns (and probably another ground war in the middle east) is exactly what they wants - both result in more radicalism and more recruits. Given the combination of fear and bloodlust in the air currently, they will probably wind up getting one (or both) of those things.
Exactly. I was talking about this to my mate over breakfast, and we agreed that what makes us both most angry is that the terrorists are almost guaranteed to win. The only thing making the terrorists lose would be the stiff upper lip approach. Agree that we can't prevent all attacks, shrug, dust ourselves off, and move on.
Because closing the borders, suspending civil liberties, undermining jurisprudence etc is what the USA did, and that didn't really help anyone.
I really hope this doesn't lead to more anti-muslim sentiment, discrimination of immigrants, or more war. Because clearly this is what ISIS wants, alienate the muslim minority in Europe from the rest of the population.
Make people's lifes miserable so they can recruit them. Pathetically cynical.
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Sometimes i wish NATO just drop a H Bomb on ISIS's capital (Ar-Raqqah) and take out most of them with it.
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Half agree with Adit. Not a fan of the 'madrasa' culture. Teaching children without any supervision of any sort of authority and doing so in a closed environment where not even parents fully know what's being taught to their children is a high risk.
But it's just that what pushes someone into joining ISIS. There isn't just one factor but multiple. No one would have expected some of the british kids to go to Syria but they did. Their background checks out completely clean. Whether if it was some sort of influence on the internet or friends, it's hard to pinpoint.
However I don't believe those people who join ISIS only to come back should be allowed anywhere near our countries. There is no redemption for them. I am a great believer in redemption and all but people never change. It's time for extreme actions.
But it's just that what pushes someone into joining ISIS. There isn't just one factor but multiple. No one would have expected some of the british kids to go to Syria but they did. Their background checks out completely clean. Whether if it was some sort of influence on the internet or friends, it's hard to pinpoint.
However I don't believe those people who join ISIS only to come back should be allowed anywhere near our countries. There is no redemption for them. I am a great believer in redemption and all but people never change. It's time for extreme actions.
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While I actually don't believe in extreme actions, and do believe that people can change, I agree that training in an ISIS-run terror camp should void your citizenship, or at least make you go straight to jail when you come home, but better yet, make you go straight to jail somewhere far from home (though after a court hearing at home, because otherwise this would be very prone to abuse).
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VivaStPauli wrote:Exactly. I was talking about this to my mate over breakfast, and we agreed that what makes us both most angry is that the terrorists are almost guaranteed to win. The only thing making the terrorists lose would be the stiff upper lip approach. Agree that we can't prevent all attacks, shrug, dust ourselves off, and move on.
Because closing the borders, suspending civil liberties, undermining jurisprudence etc is what the USA did, and that didn't really help anyone.
Agreed. I perhaps have a bit of a warped or pessimistic attitude regarding terrorism given my combination of age/demographics/nationality, but I am of the belief that terrorism and terrorist attacks will never end, ever. If it's not ISIS it will be Dylan Roof, or Breivik, or McVeigh, or Al-Qaeda.
The confluence of fear, power, globalization, and 24/7 media coverage that is an inescapable part of the world we live in creates tremendous incentive for people without power to carry out attacks like these, and a tremendous incentive for people with power to utilize the resulting fear to seize more for themselves under the guise of safety.
Fear, Power, Globalization, Media. Four things that make terrorism effective, and four things that no one can control.
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Wait so France have accepted back those who trained in ISIS knowingly? Unbelievable. They are a threat to the society for f sake, this is when intelligence agency should abuse the law and jail them for some times for some made up cases with made up proofs.
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