Re: The Official Dwayne Wade <<<<<< you thread

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:35 pm

Genuinely think his defence was more due to the pace D'antoni insists his teams play at lol.

Even if it has dropped significantly, he'll still be miles better than Boozer for obvious reasons at that end of the floor.

by dmize Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:02 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Looks even smaller than Thomas, but it seems like he can really play.

Yep listed as 5'7. I'm rooting for him to make a team, as unlikely is that is

by dmize Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:14 pm

The Franchise wrote:Dont you think that the Hornets could use a 4?

Vonleh, Williams, Bismack..not sure any of them are good options.

I find it hard to believe Mirotic and McBuckets will see that many minutes to start with. Just because Thibs seems that kind, a little bit stubborn in my opinion.

I think a big problem with him is he wears out the starters too much, come playoff time they are always hurt.

Noah averaging 35-37 minutes a game is just not needed with their depth. He always hurt by the time post season comes around.

Drop him down to 32 max, Pau 28-30, Gibson 25 and Mirotic 10 or so.

Not ideal for Mirotic but thats probably the best he can hope for sadly.

Agree about Gasol's impact, I could see him being a Karl Malone for the Lakers/Vlade Divic type of player. Using his passing ability to get easy shots for people and going down in the post. His defence is slipping, but with Gibson and Noah they could cover the stronger offensive force.

Yeah, they could use Boozer. Vonleh has looked like he's 18 years old in the SL, I still think he's got 15/7 type potential but he's nowhere near ready to start. They plan to start Marvin Williams at the 4. I haven't watched much of him since he was in Atlanta, so I don't know how effective he is there.

And the Pacers did sign Stuckey. He shouldn't start for them, he's better as a 6th man. Seems like they are going to though.

by The Franchise Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:05 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Genuinely think his defence was more due to the pace D'antoni insists his teams play at lol.

Even if it has dropped significantly, he'll still be miles better than Boozer for obvious reasons at that end of the floor.

Better than Boozer, no question.

But he cant guard 4's any more. At 34 and being a 7 footer thats not surprising really but he really cant handle guys who can face up.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:24 pm

I don't think that's a problem tbf, Noah is versatile enough to guard 4s and 5s as is Gibson.

The only time you might have a problem is if you're forced to run out line ups with Mirotic/Gasol at 4/5.

by The Franchise Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:34 pm

Yeah agree, thats why I said it shouldnt be a problem with Gibson and Noah. I think they will manage it so one of the Euro's will always play with one of them.

The only time I imagine an issue is when Noah cant guard the 2 guys.

For example, Melo if he plays the 4.

Whichever of Horford and Milsap. Milsap would toast Pau.

Who guards Dirk? Cant let him take Noah away from the rim IMO.

Blake Griffin vs Pau....

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:40 pm

On Dirk i'd take my chances tbh, the biggest threat if Noah gets dragged away from the rim is probably an Ellis drive.

Its a risky move but i take the chance that Pau can effect Chandler enough to stop it being an easy lay up.

I do agree in general though, i'm just imagining Blake and Pau in my head.... smh lol.

by The Franchise Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:43 pm

Ellis statistically is the best driver in the league. I cant remember exactly which stat it was..I think it might have actually been "most drives into the paint"...I dont think you want that, especially not the Bulls who's whole defensive plan is about giving up the mid range J.

Lucky the Clippers are out West, Pau dont wanna see Blake ever again Laughing

by McAgger Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:26 pm

Melo should've gone to the Bulls smh. Would've been favorites in the East for at least 2 years until Cleveland matured or moved around some pieces.

If he didn't think Rose was up to it or didn't want to play with Rose, they could've traded for Rondo. Rondo, Butler, Melo, Pau, Noah is hella fantastic. Great bench as well.

Btw hypothetically who would you say benefits the most if Rondo-Rose trade were to ever occur? Forget the contractual side of it. Would you say it's a fair trade?

by The Franchise Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:30 pm

Lakers picking up Boozer.

As for Rose. No way Bulls will trade him, no chance. If I am the Celtics, I wouldnt do it, just because I really dont think we will ever see THAT Rose again sadly.

by Freeza Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:09 pm

We got Ed Davis for the minimum, can he play C? We basically have 4 PF on the roster if not

by dmize Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:26 pm

Maybe in spurts, but overall I don't think so, would get pushed around too easily. He's got the height, although his wingspan isn't great. Definitely better used as a 4.

And I wouldn't trade Rondo for Rose at this point. Maybe if he looked fine after playing half the season but obviously if that happened Chicago wouldn't trade him.

by The Franchise Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:40 pm

I think maybe they will just line it up so Boozer plays with Hill and when Davis is in the game, he only plays next to Hill or Randle (vs second units).

Basically, if there is a post presence to defend Hill will be in. If there isnt Boozer will be a 5 who dont defend the rim but is as slow as a 5.

My guess.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:10 am

Why would Chicago trade the only guy on the roster who can create his own shot lol?

by The Franchise Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:26 am

Rondo is a bad fit on the Bulls anyway.

Him, Noah, Pau..all 3 are really passers more than go to scorers. Rondo needs people to finish off his passes.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:28 am

Exactly that's sort of where i was going with that.

by dmize Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:56 am

I mean Sullinger, Olynyk and Jeff Green aren't exactly world beaters and he still got 10 assists a game. And that was fresh off a knee injury with less minutes.

I don't think he'd be a bad fit at all, besides his shooting. But it's not like Rose lights it up from deep.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:59 am

Not really about numbers tbf, its the fact Chicago has hardly any shot creators to begin with.

Trading their arguably only one makes zero sense.

by LeSwagg James Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:00 am

Cavs are offering Wiggins for Love now.. And LeBron has reached out to him Proud

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:01 am

Colluding twat.

by LeSwagg James Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:03 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Colluding twat.

U mad bro?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:09 am

Was just seeing what reaction would be lol.

I think it might be a mistake. Lebron would basically be defending for 3 men rofl

by LeSwagg James Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:25 am

Yeah they probably won't stop much, but they'll outscore you :coffee:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:26 am

They are not outscoring best teams in the West IMO hmm

by dmize Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:34 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Not really about numbers tbf, its the fact Chicago has hardly any shot creators to begin with.

Trading their arguably only one makes zero sense.

1. They won 50 games without a shot creator.

2. Rondo has always been able to create his own shot. Rose's midrange last year where he creates most of his shots, he was 4-20. Go back to his last full season 2011-12 and it's not a whole lot better. http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1122-Derrick-Rose/season/2011-2012-REG

Rondo's last full season: http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/829-Rajon-Rondo/season/2012-2013-REG

Rose is better from the baseline and slightly better from 3.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:39 am

I don't disagree, just that Chicago have a trouble getting easy offense as is and trading the only guy who can doesn't make sense to me. ( albeit for someone who can create easy offense as well)

Just not something that would make sense for either side.

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