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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:55 pm

also I really don't get why bad-mouthing Ronaldo enhances Messi's greatness,

If Ronaldo so shitty, a waste of space, etc pp bla bla, then it follows that it doesn't take a lot for Messi to better than him.

The opposite is the case of course. Ronaldo is an uncomparable talent, one of the greatest of all times.

It just so happens Messi is just a little better than him.

Still, I can't understand why any objective football fan would look at this year and think: "You know who really should get this award for a change? Messi.."

If you don't consider Ribery a great enough individual player to get the award (which is bullshit), then heck, give it to Ibra if only for that 25m overhead goal against us...
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Post by sportsczy Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:02 pm

Ibra is having another crazy season btw... 21 goals and 8 assists already for PSG including 8 CL goals lol. He has to be approaching 50 goals and 20 assists for the CY..
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:04 pm

Ibra deserves to be in the history of this award.
He does things noone else can do and will ever be able to do.

Especially not Messi, because he's so short Wink
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Post by jibers Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:09 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Ibra deserves to be in the history of this award.
He does things noone else can do and will ever be able to do.

Especially not Messi, because he's so short Wink

You really are hapless aren't you?
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:10 pm

Ibra ffs :bow:

Hopefully he has a good CL showing for the rest of the tournament and carries on his mad goal scoring and creative form, i'd love to see him win it next time.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:13 pm

jibers wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Ibra deserves to be in the history of this award.
He does things noone else can do and will ever be able to do.

Especially not Messi, because he's so short Wink

You really are hapless aren't you?

of course, but do you disagree?
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Post by jibers Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:15 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
jibers wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Ibra deserves to be in the history of this award.
He does things noone else can do and will ever be able to do.

Especially not Messi, because he's so short Wink

You really are hapless aren't you?

of course, but do you disagree?

He doesn't 'deserve' anything. You get what you get...
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:16 pm

jibers wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
jibers wrote:

You really are hapless aren't you?

of course, but do you disagree?

He doesn't 'deserve' anything. You get what you get...

so you don't acknowledge the word 'deserve' has any meaning?
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Post by Harmonica Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:26 pm

Ronaldo simply hasn't been better, unless you think numerical amount of goals is the yard stick, only yard stick.

Every stat there is in 2013:

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Messi half fit still had the most impact. And furthermore being individually the best, he won La Liga, Supercopa, Golden Boot, La Liga Best Player and Forward trophies, compared to Cronaldo's nice zero awards. And all top of that got Argentina to World Cup winners of the hardest qualifying groups, when Cronaldo needed playoffs because he couldn't score against Israel.

It's not even close.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:42 pm

lol, there's only that one song you can sing, right?
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Post by Harmonica Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:51 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:lol, there's only that one song you can sing, right?
Besides the logical truth, what song should I try?
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:05 pm

"logical truth" is, of course, the most romantic song Ray Charles ever wrote.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:06 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:"logical truth" is, of course, the most romantic song Ray Charles ever wrote.
And better than "Ode of the simpletons".
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:12 pm

it's also a logical truth that by now most of the people are yawning about Messi's stats Wink
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Post by harhar11 Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:15 pm

hapless, I think that c.ronaldo is an all time great, but I don't think that Messi is just a little bit better than him. For me, their goalscoring abilities is pretty similiar, although I would give Messi a slight edge but Messi's playmaking skills gives him an extra dimension that C.ronaldo doesn't have and takes him up a level..

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Post by Harmonica Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:17 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:it's also a logical truth that by now most of the people are yawning about Messi's stats Wink
Doesn't make any sense tbh.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:21 pm

harhar11 wrote:hapless, I think that c.ronaldo is an all time great, but I don't think that Messi is just a little bit better than him. For me, their goalscoring abilities is pretty similiar, although I would give Messi a slight edge but Messi's playmaking skills gives him an extra dimension that C.ronaldo doesn't have and takes him up a level..

sure man, 'a little' or 'a level', however you want to call it.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:22 pm

Harmonica wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:it's also a logical truth that by now most of the people are yawning about Messi's stats Wink
Doesn't make any sense tbh.

then think about it some more
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Post by harhar11 Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:27 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:sure man, 'a little' or 'a level', however you want to call it.

Think about it. Messi has been the player that has scored the most goals these past 5 years while at the same time being the player with the most assist only behind Özil. And even then, Messi had only 4 assist less.

Like I said, Messi at his best is better than the best C.Ronaldo by a big margine because of his playmaking skills.


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Post by Donuts Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:32 pm

Ronaldo an all time great?
Maybe in scoring but that's about it isn't it, and even then other legends surpass him in that.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:34 pm

harhar11 wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:sure man, 'a little' or 'a level', however you want to call it.

Think about it. Messi has been the player that has scored the most goals these past 5 years and at the same time, only Özil has assisted more than him.

I won't think about it for too long though, as I'm not interested that much in the exact semantics of how much better Messi is.

If you ask me, Ronaldo is the worse player already if you only consider his ridiculous way of taking every 35 yards free kick with his ritual steps and never ever scoring from it.
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Post by jibers Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:42 pm

TBH I think Ronaldo is an 'all time great', I suppose, but there are a lot of attackers I would take ahead of him.
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Post by Donuts Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:49 pm

depends on our definitions of all time greats, from the top tier like Pele, Maradona etc all atleast we very successful whether it was national team or club football.
Maybe Ronaldo has a disadvantage cuz a current Messi at the same time as him but still.
I'm still iffy, his goal scoring is good but as I said above his numbers are his best attributes and others have better numbers.
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Post by Valkyrja Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:58 pm

They offer different things. While Messi is a better playmaker , Ronaldo is the more dangerous goal threat, being capable of scoring any kind of goals.Messi is the best with the ball, wwhereas the portuguese is the bestr without it. Stop comparing, just enjoy them, since we'll probably never see any player better then these 2.

PS: Ronaldo's goal  celebrations are at another level btw Razz
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Post by rwo power Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:05 am

*sighs* Do you really have to start b*tching around about whether CR7 or Messi is better / has the best stats etc? Please get a room and don't pollute even another FIFA Ballon d'Or thread with it!
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