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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:38 pm

So now that we know everyone at the WC we can guess at what the pots will look like:

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I chose to put France at the 3rd pot because they have the lowest FIFA ranking but I think there is a separate draw for that, so it could be any other European team. Feel free to edit as you please.

This makes for some interesting combinations. What do you guys think the groups will look like?

Rules:
Brazil is always in Group A
No more than 2 UEFA teams can be drawn together
No 2 CONMEBOL teams can be drawn together


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Post by McAgger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:40 pm

So should we predict the pots or groups?


EDIT: nevermind didn't read the title.
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Post by The_Badger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:41 pm

I think England will dodge the stronger teams in Pot 1 and get Switzerland or Belgium.

One of the African teams from Pot 3 - ideally Ivory Coast and Australia from Pot 4.

Alternatively, a group of death with Spain, Chile and USA.

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Post by McAgger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:44 pm

Hoping for Switzerland, Bosnia/Greece/Croatia, and Algeria for USA.
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Post by The_Badger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:45 pm

I there any chance USA might get Iran? Tasty fixture that.

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Post by Kick Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:48 pm

Group A:
Brazil
Croatia
France
Japan

B:
Germany
England
Ecuador
USA


C:
Spain
Portugal
Ghana
Honduras

D:
Argentina
Italy
Ivory Coast
Australia

E:
Uruguay
Netherlands
Cameroon
Mexico

F:
Colombia
Russia
Algeria
South Korea

G:
Belgium
Bosnia
Chile
Iran

H:
Switzerland
Greece
Nigeria
Costa Rica


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Post by McAgger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:50 pm

The_Badger wrote:I there any chance USA might get Iran? Tasty fixture that.
Nah it's rumored that CONCACAF and AFC teams will be placed in the same pot. So they'll be in the same pot how BC has it.
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Post by The_Badger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:52 pm

Kick. Group B - there is no way there will be 3 European teams in one group.

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Post by Pedram Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:52 pm

The_Badger wrote:I there any chance USA might get Iran? Tasty fixture that.
We already beat them once. :coffee:
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Post by McAgger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:52 pm

Kick wrote:

B:
Germany
England
France
USA
(group of death)
Max of 2 European teams in one group, so that's not possible
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:54 pm

Brazil, Iran, Italy, France Proud

that park the bus Queiroz type Proud

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Post by The_Badger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:56 pm

Imagine if ever Israel qualified and were drawn against Iran! :facepalm: 

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Post by Kick Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:56 pm

I changed it then. Razz

Still a group of death tbh.
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:57 pm

The_Badger wrote:Imagine if ever Israel qualified and were drawn against Iran! :facepalm: 
that would be a 3-0 win for Israel as Iranian government won't allow them to play :facepalm:

religion + politics :facepalm:

theocracies :facepalm:

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Post by McAgger Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:58 pm

Kick wrote:I changed it then. Razz

Still a group of death tbh.
Also not sure if Groups G and E are valid in yours. Don't think two CONMEBOL teams are allowed to be drawn together.
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Post by The_Badger Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:00 am

Government interference would see Iran ejected and suspended from participating in international football for a while.

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Post by Kick Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:01 am

McAgger wrote:
Kick wrote:I changed it then. Razz

Still a group of death tbh.
Also not sure if Groups G and E are valid in yours. Don't think two CONMEBOL teams are allowed to be drawn together.
Fixed.. Anything else Razz
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:02 am

The_Badger wrote:Government interference would see Iran ejected and suspended from participating in international football for a while.
Well, Ahmadinejad is gone, and the new government is a more flexible in those talks. plus, no Israel there anyways.

Imagine a game between Iran-Greece. the most nailed on 0-0 anyone will ever see.

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Post by ioilersrock448 Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:03 am

*I assume Bosnia and France will be switched*

Group A: Belgium, Netherlands, Ecuador, Costa Rica
Group B: Uruguay, Croatia, Cameroon, Japan
Group C: Switzerland, Portugal, Chile, Iran
Group D: Germany, England, Ghana, Honduras
Group E: Spain, Greece, Ivory Coast, Mexico
Group F: Brazil, France, Algeria, Australia
Group G: Argentina, Italy, Nigeria, South Korea
Group H: Colombia, Russia, Bosnia, USA
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Post by Pedram Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:06 am

ioilersrock448 wrote:*I assume Bosnia and France will be switched*

Group A: Belgium, Netherlands, Ecuador, Costa Rica
Group B: Uruguay, Croatia, Cameroon, Japan
Group C: Switzerland, Portugal, Chile, Iran
Group D: Germany, England, Ghana, Honduras
Group E: Spain, Greece, Ivory Coast, Mexico
Group F: Brazil, France, Algeria, Australia
Group G: Argentina, Italy, Nigeria, South Korea
Group H: Colombia, Russia, Bosnia, USA
Brazil is in Group A.

This is what i would like to see:

Group A: Brazil, Portugal, Ghana, Honduras
Group B: Germany, England, Chile, Japan
Group C: Uruguay, Netherlands, France, Australia
Group D: Spain, Italy, Cameroon, Mexico
Group E: Argentina, Croatia, Nigeria, USA
Group F: Switzerland, Greece, Algeria, Iran
Group G: Belgium, Bosnia, Ecuador, Costa Rica
Group H: Colombia, Russia, Ivory Coast, South Korea


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Post by The_Badger Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:07 am

This is a disaster! Laughing

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Post by McAgger Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:07 am

Kick wrote:
McAgger wrote:
Kick wrote:I changed it then. Razz

Still a group of death tbh.
Also not sure if Groups G and E are valid in yours. Don't think two CONMEBOL teams are allowed to be drawn together.
Fixed.. Anything else Razz
now Group D, Argentina and Ecuador Razz
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Post by Kick Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:11 am

McAgger wrote:
Kick wrote:
McAgger wrote:Also not sure if Groups G and E are valid in yours. Don't think two CONMEBOL teams are allowed to be drawn together.
Fixed.. Anything else Razz
now Group D, Argentina and Ecuador Razz
I can't imagine they can't have 2, otherwise it'd make it next to impossible to randomise. 3 seems too much but I think 2 would be fine, unless you have an actual rule against it.
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Post by McAgger Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:13 am

Kick wrote:
McAgger wrote:
Kick wrote:Fixed.. Anything else Razz
now Group D, Argentina and Ecuador Razz
I can't imagine they can't have 2, otherwise it'd make it next to impossible to randomise. 3 seems too much but I think 2 would be fine, unless you have an actual rule against it.
It's definitely a rule.

But it's not impossible to randomize. The ioilersrock fella above did it. There are plenty of combinations that are possible.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:14 am

In 2010 there was a rule against having 2 CONMEBOL teams in the same group but not against having 3 European teams in the same one:

The basic draw procedure was to draw out the pots starting from Pot 1. One team from each pot would be placed, in order of being drawn, into one of eight groups from A to H. After each team was allocated to a group, its position in the group was also drawn. This determined the team's placement in the predetermined fixture schedule. This was with the exception of the seeded teams, who were automatically placed in their group's Position 1.

In order to maintain geographical separation of teams, the basic draw procedure had to be modified for the drawing of Pot 3. No South American teams could be placed into Brazil or Argentina's groups, and no African team could be placed in South Africa's group. In order to accommodate this, the first two African teams drawn would be placed immediately into Brazil and Argentina's groups. South Africa's group (predetermined to be Group A) was to be left vacant until filled by the first South American team drawn. Beyond these considerations, the principle of filling from A to H applied.[2]

In the event, the first two teams drawn from Pot 3 were Nigeria and Côte d'Ivoire, who were placed in Argentina's Group B and Brazil's Group G respectively. Algeria were then placed in Group C so that a South American team, Uruguay, could be placed with South Africa in Group A.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_seeding

Edit: nevermind, in 2010 there were no euro teams outside the euro group


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