Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Play-off draws are being held on the 21^st/22^nd of August, with the 2nd legs being played on the 28^th/29^th of august.





Confirmed group stage pots:

Pot 1

1. Barcelona
   
2. Manchester United
   
3. Chelsea
   
4. Bayern
   
5. Real Madrid
   
6. Arsenal
   
7. Porto
   
8. AC Milan
   Pot 2
   
9. Valencia
   
10. Benfica
    
11. Shakhtar Donetsk
    
12. Zenit
    
13. Schalke
    
14. Manchester City
    
15. SC Braga
    
16. FC Dynamo Kyiv
    
    Pot 3
    
17. Olympiacos (32)
    
18. Ajax
    
19. Juventus
    
20. RSC Anderlecht
    
21. LOSC Lille
    
22. FC Spartak Moskva
    
23. PSG
    
24. Galatasaray
    
    Pot 4
    
25. Celtic FC
    
26. BVB
    
27. FC BATE Borisov
    
28. GNK Dinamo Zagreb
    
29. CFR 1907 Cluj
    
30. Montpellier
    
31. Nordsælland
    
32. Málaga C.F.
    

Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

You (I think) wanted Juventus to be in pot 1 because they won the league while done shit in Europe for the last six years :vagi:

I just want a group with City, Real Madrid, Juventus and Dortmund in it xD

I don't see how it is ridiculous to be honest. Europe is not just the UCL alone and the European rankings take in consideration what a club has done in both the UCL and Europa. It's not perfect but it's the more "fair" option right now.

Of course, until something better comes along...

I dont really care about co-efficient points but CL pots should not be decided by EL perfomances.Its utter nonsense.

A club like Ajax ,who hadnt seen the CL for ages..Only in the last two years have they qualified for the tournament proper.And they're placed in Pot 2 for two consecutive 3rd place finishes

A fan of a team who would've been pot 2 (if Chelsea hadn't won CL) despite doing nothing in Europe in past few years complains about teams who've performed in Europe recently.Also sounds quite similar to people being butthurt about Germany getting a CL place at Italy's expense.

Sorry, don't buy it.

What about Nodjælland? They're only guaranteed a group spot because of Kopenhagen's hard work (who have to go through qualifying stages)

In an ideal world Ajax would be the 2nd to last rated team in the group stages - it's just of the 34 teams who are rated higher in the past 5 years than Ajax 15 qualified and there are still 2 teams left in the qualifying rounds who will displace Ajax into Pot 3.
2 3rd place finishes and some EL games is a lot more than Juventus has done überhaupt and perfectly matches their borderline Pot 2/3 status.
I hate to take this stance but just pointing a few things out to you.


The only realistic alternative is seeding via league position etc. but how do you seed non-champions vs champions of "weaker" leagues?

Still ranked No.3

Real Madrid
Manchester City
Juventus
Dortmund

Group of champions, make it happen UEFA

Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

waah waah waah, my club didn't qualify for europe for two years so now i criticise other teams that did, waah waah waah

get a *bleep* grip

che wrote:

Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

waah waah waah, my club didn't qualify for europe for two years so now i criticise other teams that did, waah waah waah

get a *bleep* grip

Yes and i am awaiting another Group Stage exit.

And you'd still manage to be seeded 9th or 10th next year

you know what's worse than a group stage exit?

not even qualifying for the competition for two years

you know what's even worse than not qualifying for the competition for two years?

bitching about teams that qualified for the competition because you feel entitled to preferential treatment due to events that happened 10 years ago

Surag wrote:I dont really care about co-efficient points but CL pots should not be decided by EL perfomances.Its utter nonsense.

A club like Ajax ,who hadnt seen the CL for ages..Only in the last two years have they qualified for the tournament proper.And they're placed in Pot 2 for two consecutive 3rd place finishes

European rankings are determined by a point system based on both Europa and UCL results. You may not care about co-efficient points but it determines where a club is placed when it comes to seeding and quite frankly, it is as fair of a system as one can get. I do feel this has to more to do with Juventus being in pot 3 than anything honestly...

pot 3 teams are better than the ones in pot 2 lol

If this is based on european results someone explain to me how Man City are in pot 2

Havent even mentioned Juventus in this thread

But i simply dont think EL perfomances should dictate CL seeding.

Funny thing is if a team like Valencia for example get knocked out in the groups and manage to reach atleast a semi in the EL ,there's a chance of Valencia even finding themselves in Pot 1.That is so wrong.

If EL perfomances hold such a huge meaning in CL terms why isnt the winner of EL given a spot in the subsequent CL then ?

For further illustration, see this:

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:If this is based on european results someone explain to me how Man City are in pot 2

Because based on who actually qualified, Man City just happened to be ranked to be chosen in pot 2. Also, see website for further details...

Also i agree with Surag, EL results shouldnt effect CL pots and vice versa....

I remember when we got the Semi's of EL back in the Sir Bobby Era and we were somehow 4th in the rankings for that year

mole if Newcastle manage to do well in 2-3 seasons(making quarters ,semis regularly),you can find your team in Pot 2 provided you qualify for CL that year..Seriously..

What a Joke

This ruling is so wrong.

This season it was RM who won the most points with Barca and Atletico tied in 2nd place. Chelsea and Bayern won an almost identical amount of points this season in 4th and 5th.

Valencia earned the 6th most points this season.

Atletico played 3 more games, and won a final while Barca crashed out of the semi's with a loss and a draw but they both earned the same amount of points : - There probably should be an algorithm which gives you points based on the other teams points.

Madrid and Barca, who both lost a game in the semi-finals and lost them overall should not be getting the most points for beating minnows in the CL >.>

Surag wrote:

If EL perfomances hold such a huge meaning in CL terms why isnt the winner of EL given a spot in the subsequent CL then ?

in that case blame the inconsistency of other top seeded teams, not valencia's fault the likes of liverpool and inter aren't good enough to qualify

too bad, maybe teams should take el seriously now lol

FC Nordsjælland ending the regime of FC Copenhagen, probably the biggest upset in Danish football in a long long time. I don't think they will get a victory in the group though, since their best player is leaving to Twente, hope they will get in a tough group, so I can go watch them

Juve vs Arsenal would be epic, if we sign Del Piero.