OFFICIAL: FIFA Ballon d'or 2013 - Voting extended

The votes from captains usually go to their friends/ team-mates.

For instance, Mehssi has constantly revealed last year that he voted for Xavi, Iniesta and Aguerooooooo.
Casillas stated that his votes went for Ronaldo, Ramos and Iniesta.
Ronaldo meanwhile wanted to vote for his favourite player of all time..... Cristiano Ronaldo

Ronaldo never voted, he was surprisingly injured despite not missing any practices or matches, exactly on the day of votings, so his friend could vote for him xD
the guy is desperate for the award.

harhar11 wrote:He voted for Messi last season aswell, but I remember that there was someone on twitter that invented lots of quote from footballers, in which they said that they voted for C.Ronaldo but that Fifa changed their votes. Alot of people were fooled by those quotes, there was someone on this forum, halamadrid I think I might be wrong, who posted a sig of that. Heh, even AS was fooled. Successful troll is successful

I remember that! Didn't Pandev claim he voted for Mourinho for Manager of the Year in some awards bollocks and then accused FIFA of altering his ballot slip?

RealGunner wrote:Thiago Silva revealed he voted for 1. Messi 2. Ibra 3. CR7

DAT Nerman influence.

A couple of days ago:

Thiago Silva (PSG): "It's difficult for Ibra to win Ballon d'Or, but I think he deserves it more than Cristiano and Messi this year."

Source: Sky.

Messi will win IMO.

Coaches/captains of 100 of those shitty national teams will vote for Messi, as that's probably all they know right or wrong. and that'd be telling.

Natalie Portman wrote:Messi will win IMO.

Coaches/captains of 100 of those shitty national teams will vote for Messi, as that's probably all they know right or wrong. and that'd be telling.

Of course he will. He got 41.6 % of the votes in a season in which he won nothing significant and in which Ronaldo won La Liga with a record breaking 100 points and reached the semis of the Euro Cup. Ronaldo's share: 23.7 %, almost half as much as Messi.

Messi also received 47.9 % of the votes in 2011 when he won the CL and La Liga.

Conclusion: Doesn't matter what Messi does. The share of votes he gets stays roughly the same. He won't get less than 30 % in any case. Question is: Will Ronaldo suddenly get more than his usual 20-ish % in a year in which he won absolutely nothing? And will Ribery get more than Ronaldo?

Betting on Messi for Ballon d'Or this year = printing money.

Why is Cronaldo again being talked about in this thread? This isn't Golden Shoe.

futbol wrote:

Natalie Portman wrote:Messi will win IMO.

Coaches/captains of 100 of those shitty national teams will vote for Messi, as that's probably all they know right or wrong. and that'd be telling.

Of course he will. He got 41.6 % of the votes in a season in which he won nothing significant and in which Ronaldo won La Liga with a record breaking 100 points and reached the semis of the Euro Cup. Ronaldo's share: 23.7 %, almost half as much as Messi.

Messi also received 47.9 % of the votes in 2011 when he won the CL and La Liga.

Conclusion: Doesn't matter what Messi does. The share of votes he gets stays roughly the same. He won't get less than 30 % in any case. Question is: Will Ronaldo suddenly get more than his usual 20-ish % in a year in which he won absolutely nothing? And will Ribery get more than Ronaldo?

Betting on Messi for Ballon d'Or this year = printing money.

I always laugh at these silly deductive conclusions.

What matters the most is performing the best, which Messi again has done.

The_Badger wrote:

harhar11 wrote:He voted for Messi last season aswell, but I remember that there was someone on twitter that invented lots of quote from footballers, in which they said that they voted for C.Ronaldo but that Fifa changed their votes. Alot of people were fooled by those quotes, there was someone on this forum, halamadrid I think I might be wrong, who posted a sig of that. Heh, even AS was fooled. Successful troll is successful

I remember that! Didn't Pandev claim he voted for Mourinho for Manager of the Year in some awards bollocks and then accused FIFA of altering his ballot slip?

Yeah, but that one was a little weird. He claim that it wasn't his signature on the vote..

futbol wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Thiago Silva revealed he voted for 1. Messi 2. Ibra 3. CR7

DAT Nerman influence.

A couple of days ago:

Thiago Silva (PSG): "It's difficult for Ibra to win Ballon d'Or, but I think he deserves it more than Cristiano and Messi this year."

Source: Sky.

Didn't he also say a couple of weeks before that that Messi is the best?

Natalie Portman wrote:Messi will win IMO.

Coaches/captains of 100 of those shitty national teams will vote for Messi, as that's probably all they know right or wrong. and that'd be telling.

If you're a gambling man then you can get fantastic odds on a Messi win as he's third favourite at present.

harhar11 wrote:

futbol wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Thiago Silva revealed he voted for 1. Messi 2. Ibra 3. CR7

DAT Nerman influence.

A couple of days ago:

Thiago Silva (PSG): "It's difficult for Ibra to win Ballon d'Or, but I think he deserves it more than Cristiano and Messi this year."

Source: Sky.

Didn't he also say a couple of weeks before that that Messi is the best?

Messi can be the best but still not play to his potential in a particular year.

Looks like Ribery's wife will need to order a vase for that space on the mantle

I think it will end like this

1 Ribery
2 Messi
3 Ronaldo

Pls, Ribery has no chance to win even though he deserves it far more than anyone else.

1. Messi
2. Ronaldo
3. Ribery/Ibra

To say that Ronaldo 2013 = Messi 2012, it would mean that C.ronaldo had had a individual and collective season as good as Messi had in 2012, which is false. C.Ronaldo's year was inferior to Messi in every single way. He scored less, he assisted less and he even won less titles, he didn't win the golden boot, heck he wasn't even the top scorer in his own league.

it wasn't meant to be a direct comparaison , but to imply that ronaldo's situation is similar to messi's last year :

both finished european top scorers
both finished CL top scorers
both had a retarted goal to match ratio
both failed to win anything significant .

Harmonica wrote:Why is Cronaldo again being talked about in this thread? This isn't Golden Shoe.

and why is messi being talked about here ? this isn't " get injured and miss out on your team's most important matches in 2013 " award

farfan wrote:

Harmonica wrote:Why is Cronaldo again being talked about in this thread? This isn't Golden Shoe.

and why is messi being talked about here ? this isn't  " get injured and miss out on your team's most important matches in 2013 " award  

I think you missed my point, only redeeming argument for Cronaldo is that he scored numerically more than anyone else, hence the "Golden Shoe". Which this most certainly isn't. There is no other argument for him. He wasn't best individually, statistically (OPTA), didn't carry the team to most wins, and most certainly didn't win the most.

Where as Messi was best individually, statistically (OPTA), carried the team the most, and won La Liga and Supercopa.

How was Messi better statistically and individually considering that he scored 45 goals and Ronaldo 63 and still counting ?

Valkyrja wrote:How was Messi better statistically and individually considering that he scored 45 goals and Ronaldo 63 and still counting ?

Having more assists, being more effective scorer, having more dribbles, being more effective dribbler, having more tackles, passing better and so on? Individually Messi scores harder goals, more individual goals, and more important goals.

Example, not just 1 statistic, but over 200 this season:

La Liga 13-14



CL 13-14



Unfit Messi is the world's second best player, after fit Messi.

futbol wrote:

Natalie Portman wrote:Messi will win IMO.

Coaches/captains of 100 of those shitty national teams will vote for Messi, as that's probably all they know right or wrong. and that'd be telling.

Of course he will. He got 41.6 % of the votes in a season in which he won nothing significant and in which Ronaldo won La Liga with a record breaking 100 points and reached the semis of the Euro Cup. Ronaldo's share: 23.7 %, almost half as much as Messi.

Messi also received 47.9 % of the votes in 2011 when he won the CL and La Liga.

Conclusion: Doesn't matter what Messi does. The share of votes he gets stays roughly the same. He won't get less than 30 % in any case. Question is: Will Ronaldo suddenly get more than his usual 20-ish % in a year in which he won absolutely nothing? And will Ribery get more than Ronaldo?

Betting on Messi for Ballon d'Or this year = printing money.

You convinced me. Someone know where I can bet for Messi winning the golden ball?

farfan wrote:

To say that Ronaldo 2013 = Messi 2012, it would mean that C.ronaldo had had a individual and collective season as good as Messi had in 2012, which is false. C.Ronaldo's year was inferior to Messi in every single way. He scored less, he assisted less and he even won less titles, he didn't win the golden boot, heck he wasn't even the top scorer in his own league.

it wasn't meant to be  a direct comparaison  , but to imply that ronaldo's situation is similar to messi's last year :

both finished european top scorers
both finished CL top scorers
both had a retarted goal to match ratio  
both failed to win anything significant .
 

Messi won Copa del rey, a minor title but still significant. Now why don't you mention that Messi also won the golden boot, something C.Ronaldo didn't manage to do even with all his goals, and that he broke like a million record.

Harmonica wrote:

Unfit Messi is the world's second best player, after fit Messi.

yeah we really saw that when Bayern ripped Barcelona to shreds, whilst messi went ghost mode

DuringTheWar wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

Unfit Messi is the world's second best player, after fit Messi.

yeah we really saw that when Bayern ripped Barcelona to shreds, whilst messi went ghost mode

How does not scoring against treble winning team in a match relate to being the best player of the year? Fit Cronaldo and Ribery didn't score even against Granada, or Nuremberg, respectively.

free_cat wrote:

futbol wrote:

Natalie Portman wrote:Messi will win IMO.

Coaches/captains of 100 of those shitty national teams will vote for Messi, as that's probably all they know right or wrong. and that'd be telling.

Of course he will. He got 41.6 % of the votes in a season in which he won nothing significant and in which Ronaldo won La Liga with a record breaking 100 points and reached the semis of the Euro Cup. Ronaldo's share: 23.7 %, almost half as much as Messi.

Messi also received 47.9 % of the votes in 2011 when he won the CL and La Liga.

Conclusion: Doesn't matter what Messi does. The share of votes he gets stays roughly the same. He won't get less than 30 % in any case. Question is: Will Ronaldo suddenly get more than his usual 20-ish % in a year in which he won absolutely nothing? And will Ribery get more than Ronaldo?

Betting on Messi for Ballon d'Or this year = printing money.

You convinced me. Someone know where I can bet for Messi winning the golden ball?

Futbol's analysis is spot on

Harmonica wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

Unfit Messi is the world's second best player, after fit Messi.

yeah we really saw that when Bayern ripped Barcelona to shreds, whilst messi went ghost mode

How does not scoring against treble winning team in a match relate to being the best player of the year? Fit Cronaldo and Ribery didn't score even against Granada, or Nuremberg, respectively.

The problem was not that he didn't score, but that he was totally useless in every way fathomable. To put in stats, he created 0 chances, he was dispossessed 3 times as much as he dribbled (6 - more than anyone else in the match), like you said he didn't score, had 0 shots on target, and maybe the most crucial aspect of playing unfit messi that ultimately destroyed Barcelona, which does not translate statistically, was his inability to close down Bayern players and challenge them physically in any way, unfortunately for barca this made it easy, childs play actually, for Bayern to transition from defence to attack and kill Barcelona on counter attacks, as barca defending with 9 fit outfield players, effectively made them lambs to the slaughter. This was most poignantly illustrated when for the one time messi actually did attempt to close down an opponent, ribery easily dropped him on his arse, launched a counter, and a few seconds later Bayern have raced up the pitch and scored.

And of course, it doesn't relate to him being the best player of the year, as much as it relates to "unfit messi being the second best player in the world"

DuringTheWar wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:yeah we really saw that when Bayern ripped Barcelona to shreds, whilst messi went ghost mode

How does not scoring against treble winning team in a match relate to being the best player of the year? Fit Cronaldo and Ribery didn't score even against Granada, or Nuremberg, respectively.

The problem was not that he didn't score, but that he was totally useless in every way fathomable. To put in stats, he created 0 chances, he was dispossessed 3 times as much as he dribbled (6 - more than anyone else in the match), like you said he didn't score, had 0 shots on target, and maybe the most crucial aspect of playing unfit messi that ultimately destroyed Barcelona, which does not translate statistically, was his inability to close down Bayern players and challenge them physically in any way, unfortunately for barca this made it easy, childs play actually, for Bayern to transition from defence to attack and kill Barcelona on counter attacks, as barca defending with 9 fit outfield players, effectively made them lambs to the slaughter. This was most poignantly illustrated when for the one time messi actually did attempt to close down an opponent, ribery easily dropped him on his arse, launched a counter, and a few seconds later Bayern have raced up the pitch and scored.

And of course, it doesn't relate to him being the best player of the year, as much as it relates to "unfit messi being the second best player in the world"

Why are you hanging on one game of the year? What did fit Cronaldo do against Dortmund, nothing winning team, in two games, other than score a tap-in? Even Deportivo, relegated team put 4 past Barcelona, with fit Messi.

Wait? Harmonica do you actually belive that an unfit Messi is the 2nd best player in the world? That's taking your fanboism a little to far, no?