Why did Pep transfer list Gustavo?

aleumdance wrote:

Gil wrote:Because he's an limited footballer who's massively overrated by football fans.

anyone who think Gustavo is Overated HAS NEVER WATCHED BAYERN

Meh, players of his ilk are a dime a dozen nowadays.

Most players would look great playing in a stacked team and surrounded by world beaters. I don't think he would look anywhere near as good in a different system.

His limited range of passing and vision was exposed in the Confed Cup. Brazil struggled to play out from the back in every game and relied on the counter attack a far too much.

I love his tactical flexibility, workrate, stamina and athleticism though but you'd think he was Redondo, Viera or Keane in their prime if you heard opinions from fans alone.

Players like Capoue, Gonalons, Sandro, Fernando (Porto), Imbula, Schneiderlin etc are just as good or perhaps even better.

limited range of passing? Confed CUp that Cavani played rubbish his first 2 games?

NOW I HAVE SEEN IT ALL

Midfield is stacked, doesn't fit Guardiola's plans, wanted out anyway... some of the reasons he was transfer listed by Pep.

McAgger wrote:He would improve any midfield instantly. GTFI Rodgers

Pretty ridiculous statement if i'm being honest here.

Only one person has said he would improve any team....

He would improve the majority though outside the usual 5 or 6 big teams id say.

Anyway....

Gil u funny brah.

aleumdance wrote:limited range of passing? Confed CUp that Cavani played rubbish his first 2 games?

NOW I HAVE SEEN IT ALL

What does Cavani have to do with anything?

It was the same script throughout all of Brazil's games.

He simply doesn't have an expansive range of passing, struggles to bring/play the ball out from back and will take the safe option 9 times out of 10.

Look I've already acknowledged he's a very good player and I love his mobility and defensive nous. Overrated doesnt mean I think he's bad just think people have an ill conceived notion about his overall play.

Funny how you mention his percieved limited ability which is bollocks btw, yet name half a dozen players who are even more limited ffs

Because like Paulinho he was asked to perform a defensive wall doesn't make him limited.

Anyone who saw him for Bayeen and Hoffenheim will say he's a lot better technically than given credit for.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Only one person has said he would improve any team....

He would improve the majority though outside the usual 5 or 6 big teams id say.

Anyway....

Gil :rofl:u funny brah.

Not only on this site. Close friends since the Confed cup, people I'm following on twitter and Chelsea fans in general.

The only weakness in our squad right now is the lack of a genuine playmaker in the mould of Modric, Schweini, Gundogan...you know...the usual suspects and maybe a new CF if Lukaku doesn't pan out or struggles to adapt.

Keep hearing how much Chelsea need him or how he'd improve us when in reality he isn't that much better than Mikel and we just brought in Van Ginkel who's a similar type of player with a much higher ceiling, if his development continues to skyrocket under Mourinho.

Gustavo would walk into Chelsea's team there really is no argument.

Lampard aside its filled to brim with average players CM wise.

Whatever you say bro.

Ramires > Gustavo

why is Gustavo so under rated..this is shocking me...
dude has good passing, proper long range passing


hope he comes to Arsenal, many haters would shut up

Chelsea really dont need Gustavo. What they are in dire need is a Playmaker and they have none.

Gil wrote:Whatever you say bro.

Ramires > Gustavo

Different positions.

But he's easily better then Mehkel.

Gil wrote:Whatever you say bro.

Ramires > Gustavo

Shame that the fact Gustavo starts every game for Brazil and Ramires can't even get into the squad

@ Adit

They need both, all their defensive players are meh and they have no creativity on top of it.

Their midfield is easily the worst of the top 4.

Gustavo-Ramires...Mou's dream midfield.

Would be quite similar to Motta-Cambiasso.

Adit wrote:I cant believe Pep transfer listed a midfielder . For a midfielder loving manager that was unexpected , So what is the reason?

not good enough for passing game? doesnt fit the system? cant play as Anchor man? or are there better players in his position in Bayern?

:hmm:

Agent Pep still working hard to bring down Bayern. He'll get there. Nothing but smoldering ruins of Heynckes' great side will be left by the time Pep gets sacked in spring and either Heynckes or Hitzfeld get named caretaker coach.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Gil wrote:Whatever you say bro.

Ramires > Gustavo

Shame that the fact Gustavo starts every game for Brazil and Ramires can't even get into the squad

@ Adit

They need both, all their defensive players are meh and they have no creativity on top of it.

Their midfield is easily the worst of the top 4.

i unno Mole.....aside Carrick

we have a out of form Cleverley
Anderson is still fat and shite after this pre season it seems
Fletcher is nowhere to be found
Giggs is a band aid in CM
Powell is unknown at this point
Lingard is a ? even after impressive pre season


we might have worst midfield in top 4 easily locked up given the fact we have so many question marks on players who either have been in poor form, injured for so long, or are young and inexperienced.

Wrap it up, Wenger

Benitez to swoop in and take him to Naples.

VivaStPauli wrote:

Adit wrote:I cant believe Pep transfer listed a midfielder . For a midfielder loving manager that was unexpected , So what is the reason?

not good enough for passing game? doesnt fit the system? cant play as Anchor man? or are there better players in his position in Bayern?

Agent Pep still working hard to bring down Bayern. He'll get there. Nothing but smoldering ruins of Heynckes' great side will be left by the time Pep gets sacked in spring and either Heynckes or Hitzfeld get named caretaker coach.

What has suggested to you that Pep will be destined to fail at Bayern? Aside from the fact that he is one of the best managers in the world.

TBH mostly his abandoning of 4-2-3-1 so far, he might of course convince me otherwise, he's only had one proper match so far. Maybe he'll switch back to that formation when they meet proper opposition. I don't entirely trust the Thiago signing. He is a great talent, but he seems surplus to requirements. Sure, he'd be nice to have on the bench, but Pep seems to be planning to prefer Thiago over Kroos and Götze, which is utterly insane.
Then comes the transfer listing of Gustavo, who has a great track record covering defensively, something Bayern lacks - they only got Martinez and Schweinsteiger left, and Schweinsteiger is expected to contribute to the attack as well, and is a bit wasted as the sole anchor in a 4-1-4-1, Martinez is probably better suited to that role, and he can't play all matches in all competitions.
IMHO they need Gustavo if they don't want to crumble defensively.

I might be overreacting, but I expect Pep to be Bayerns next Klinsmann.

Viva Gustavo would have gone anyway just like Gomez did.

You can't expect two players have that calibre to sit on the bench two years straight and in a world cup year on top of that.

Even if Jupp stayed they both would have gone i'm certain of that.

The players they brought in might have been different but both would have been sold without a doubt.

Gomez deserved the start over Mandzukic anyway.

VivaStPauli wrote:Gomez deserved the start over Mandzukic anyway.

Do agree but Jupp preferred him over Gomez and was pushing hard for Lewandowski.

As for Gustavo there was no way he was going to sit on the bench in a WC year he would have left too.

Don't think anything to do with Pep if i'm honest, although i do doubt Thiago and Gotze would have joined under Jupp.

In fact i think he said that himself.

Have to agree with the Barca 'sympathizer' tbh

Gustavo to Wolfsburg is official now.