Re: UEFA U21 European Championships (Israel, June 5th - June 18th)

by Gil Sat 15 Jun 2013, 19:51

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Confed cup.

Taking about Italy u21's and Italy NT.

Basically, are both Italy teams playing today?

I'm very confused.

Pretty sure it's only the host nation on the opening day like all the other major tournaments.

by nasir6371 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 19:54

Your right gil, spain and Italy play tomorrow.

by halamadrid2 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 19:55

Gil wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
Gil wrote:

Nearly 100 appearances for the best team in the World and chased by the biggest clubs in the World.

Much bigger accomplishment than struggling for a place in the team at Getafe or destroying League 2 level defenses in the Segunda.

Thiago has made 68 appearances for Barca. Morata while alternating between the first and the second team has had 15 in his first season with the first team. Thiago was part of Barcas senior team since 2009

Morata isnt even destroying segunda lol. just a suggestion educate yourself on the subject before throwing claims around

That's League alone!

And I thought we were discussing Madrid youngsters in general not Morata!!!?

I like Morata BUT its clear he has a huge physical advantage over the other players at this level. Can't bully the majority of La Liga defenders like he's done so far.

Ballesteros and Mathieu would have him for dinner.

Nah I was just saying Thiago hasn't shown he is better than them yet. In his position yes (although I think Olivier Torres has a higher ceiling than him) but overall?? nah. We are both talent factories though so every year there will be talents either promoted or sold to teams their talents fit in in.

Morata has already scored vs Levante Laughing

but I agree we will have to see he hasn't proven much yet in the elite competitions but he has shown he is too good for his age group.

by halamadrid2 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 19:57

Rebaño Sagrado wrote:Isco is overrated.

Thiago needs to be given moar freedom. He has the best vision on the team and he is tied to the midfield ffs

only brazil-japan game today tom

Isco has the talent but I am afraid he hasn't played for a team he strictly is bound to a position in. He has always had freedom. Thiago would kill promising attacks if played at AM judging by how long he keeps the ball for

by Tomwin Lannister Sat 15 Jun 2013, 19:58

Pre-season dates confuse the shit out of me Laughing

by Gil Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:02

You're underrating Thiago immensely. The lad has no weaknesses and is an incredibly quick decision maker for his age. His quickness with the ball at his feet is unbelievable and is one of the few unteachable skills in football.

Defending, passing, touch, skill, dribbling, vision, tactical nous, versatility. shooting, scoring. Hell, he's even better than Messi in the air. He can do it all.

Unreal talent and clearly the best of this new Spanish generation.

by Ganso Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:06

thiago is not flawless, he has some stupid brainfarts sometimes,specially when he is in front of the defense.

by halamadrid2 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:07

Gil please tell me you are not serious???

Thiago has great foot skills and incredible vision thats about it

Defend?? Tactics?? scoring?? seriously gil Laughing

by Mr Nick09 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:11

you cant quote anymore? ffs

@ganso, all young players have those brain farts tbh, Verratti does the same stuff over and over. Drives Carlo absolutely mad

by Gil Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:19

Thiago is a better defender than Iniesta, Cex and Xavi combined. He's even played DM several times in his young career ffs,

Seems like he's suffering from the same syndrome Oscar is at Chelsea. People note Mata and Hazard are defensive liabilities, see his diminutive frame and decide to tar him with the same brush rather than viewing what's right in front of them.

Thiago has already scored 11 goals for Barca. Took Iniesta 5 1/2 seasons to surpass that. Cesc who's considered too direct by the purists on here need 4 and unlike Thiago was a guaranteed starter at Arsenal in his early years.

And yes, his tactical understanding is far beyond his years. Stop hating.

by nasir6371 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:24

Mr Nick09 wrote:you cant quote anymore? ffs

@ganso, all young players have those brain farts tbh, Verratti does the same stuff over and over. Drives Carlo absolutely mad

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by halamadrid2 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:30

nasir6371 wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:you cant quote anymore? ffs

@ganso, all young players have those brain farts tbh, Verratti does the same stuff over and over. Drives Carlo absolutely mad

Click on "Switch Editor Mode"

I can't see that tab on my phone scratch

RG you better have a good explanation for this Proud

by nasir6371 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:31

Its right next to the Paste icon

by Tomwin Lannister Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:35

Apparantly Italy are starting Borini over Gabbiadini :facepalm:

by Djcomplain Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:49

insigne close control :facepalm:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat 15 Jun 2013, 20:59

Gil wrote:You're underrating Thiago immensely. The lad has no weaknesses and is an incredibly quick decision maker for his age. His quickness with the ball at his feet is unbelievable and is one of the few unteachable skills in football.

Defending, passing, touch, skill, dribbling, vision, tactical nous, versatility. shooting, scoring. Hell, he's even better than Messi in the air. He can do it all.

Unreal talent and clearly the best of this new Spanish generation.

Why you bothering with Hala? he has immense Barca hate, no point trying to convince of him of something with is obvious to anyone with a clear mindset.

by Djcomplain Sat 15 Jun 2013, 22:05

gooooooooooolllllllllll cheers

by Djcomplain Sat 15 Jun 2013, 22:06

@clock

sachi 1 - johan cruff 0 :bow:

by RealGunner Sat 15 Jun 2013, 22:52

by Casciavit Sat 15 Jun 2013, 22:57

Football won today.

Sacchism won today.

Italia won today.

Not only did we see the way football should be properly played, but we also saw the Italians (football purists) overcome the Dutch. Best known for their anti-football as of late and they showcased it today. The Italians played an Italian 4-4-2 reminiscent of the way higher father Sacchi used to plan out his team. Bar one difference which was the offside trap. Which sadly can no longer be implemented in this modern era. The Italians who exposed the famous Dutch 4-3-3, albeit not the first time. For those who weren't alive or do not remember there was a famous Italian coach by the name Fabio Capello who exposed the Dutch 4-3-3. Rather easily as well. Along with the Italian 4-4-2. Yes there were a few differences between Capello's 4-4-2 and the one higher father Arrigo Sacchi implemented, but the basic concept was the same and as a result, Milan beat Cruyff's Barcelona's dream team 4-0.

Moving along now we will be facing other football purists Espana. It will be a spectacle and I'll be sure to enjoy this match. Hopefully we don't suffer a tragic result similar to the one of Euro 2012. This is the best possible outcome and I hope Italy prevail.

Forza Italia.

Forza Sacchism.

Forza football.

by moutinho Sat 15 Jun 2013, 23:07

I hate reading these "the way football is meant to be played" nonsense. The beauty of football is that it can be played in many ways, sometimes in antonym terms, and nobody can say which is the best way because teams have won glory using completely different tactics. Football evolves and something that might work today against team X may not, and will not work against it in 5-10 years.

by Tomwin Lannister Sat 15 Jun 2013, 23:08

You're new here so let me explain. Cas' post was aimed at another poster who actually thinks along those lines.

He doesn't actually believe that.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat 15 Jun 2013, 23:10

RealGunner wrote:

Overrated they said.... shit they said....

by Nishankly Sat 15 Jun 2013, 23:13

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Apparantly Italy are starting Borini over Gabbiadini

by Tomwin Lannister Sat 15 Jun 2013, 23:15

Dat Jinx

I'm glad I was wrong tbh.

That being said, this is all in hindsight, benching your top scorer when he's on good form and fit stil doesn't make any sense before the game.

by Casciavit Sat 15 Jun 2013, 23:15

moutinho wrote:I hate reading these "the way football is meant to be played" nonsense. The beauty of football is that it can be played in many ways, sometimes in antonym terms, and nobody can say which is the best way because teams have won glory using completely different tactics. Football evolves and something that might work today against team X may not, and will not work against it in 5-10 years.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:You're new here so let me explain. Cas' post was aimed at another poster who actually thinks along those lines.

He doesn't actually believe that.

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