Top 5 Best Wingers

Giggity5313 wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Trying to disprove the fact Ronaldo isn't a winger when it clearly states in every single one of his post match average position graphics he plays central with the fullback providing width

Really couldn't make it up

Heat maps provide much more info then just his "average position"..

When you look at the heat map vs munich for instance he is on the wing the whole time..

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Trying to disprove the fact Ronaldo isn't a winger when it clearly states in every single one of his post match average position graphics he plays central with the fullback providing width

Really couldn't make it up

Heat maps provide much more info then just his "average position"..

When you look at the heat map vs munich for instance he is on the wing the whole time..

He spends most of his time in central areas i don't care if he moves to the wing.... most of the time he positions himself in central positions thus he can't be a winger.

Before anyone says it nor can Di Maria really i mean he practically plays CM for Argentina for gods sake.

Have you not been claiming about lack of width all season? if Di Maria and Ronaldo are wingers then how can this be ?

The Franchise wrote:Holy hell man.

He scores all his goals from the center, everything of any production comes from the center.....

Whichever way you want to slice it, he is doing what he does in the middle.

How do you score goals from the wing?

He isnt creating for anyone else, from the middle, wing wherever..so what is he doing from the wing?

Nothing is the answer.

If there is a counter attack and there is space on the wing....obviously he is going to go there..that doesnt make you a winger.....every player, winger, fullback, center mid, centerforward, whatever...if it is a counter attack and there is space there, that is where they are going.

Isolated moments like those do not trump game after game after game.

You use your Sevilla game, I can use the Barca game where he wins a pen vs Pique on the right side of the box..is he stil a leftwinger receving the ball there?

No of course not, he just ran where the space dictated him.

Why do I have to say this stuff, its so frecking obvious.

The Nature Boy wrote:So when Marcelo and ronaldo play at the same time they play both in the same position? (Left wing?)

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Nature Boy wrote:So when Marcelo and ronaldo play at the same time they play both in the same position? (Left wing?)

Exactly

But I guess that logic is ok on GL
Plus I guess its completely ok to ignore my heatmaps but use mole's average position maps like they were sent from jesus

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:But if Ronaldo was a winger.... surely Marcelo injured wouldn't be a problem?

Surely he can provide said width if he's the winger you claim him to be?

Maybe its because he isn't and your fullbacks provide your width?

Also heat maps say nothing because Ronaldo has a free role and goes where the f*ck he likes his average position is more telling and he hasn't been a winger for years.

You can't hide from the facts he's basically next to Benzema/Higuain in every single game.

Another thing if he was a winger then Benzema and Higuian would score more goals him occupying their space is directly effecting their goalscoring potential.

I suppose you would call Bale a winger too yes

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Holy hell man.

He scores all his goals from the center, everything of any production comes from the center.....

Whichever way you want to slice it, he is doing what he does in the middle.

How do you score goals from the wing?

He isnt creating for anyone else, from the middle, wing wherever..so what is he doing from the wing?

Nothing is the answer.

If there is a counter attack and there is space on the wing....obviously he is going to go there..that doesnt make you a winger.....every player, winger, fullback, center mid, centerforward, whatever...if it is a counter attack and there is space there, that is where they are going.

Isolated moments like those do not trump game after game after game.

You use your Sevilla game, I can use the Barca game where he wins a pen vs Pique on the right side of the box..is he stil a leftwinger receving the ball there?

No of course not, he just ran where the space dictated him.

Why do I have to say this stuff, its so frecking obvious.

He doesn't create from the wing?

He is no xavi but he usually puts in a decent cross or does something with it there

In fact the first scene in that video is ronaldo playing a killer pass..


No of course not, he just ran where the space dictated him.

Why do I have to say this stuff, its so frecking obvious.

EXACTLY my point. a right winger or a left winger DOES NOT HAVE TO STICK TO HIS SIDE
Sure he doesn't have typical qualities of an out-and-out winger, but to say he isn't one is just stupid.

Those isolated moments were ALL of his touches..

Plus, almost none of those touches were during a counter attack watch the videos at least

You also contradict yourself referring to that penalty. If so what about ronaldos goal where he did a stepover vs pique and cut to the left and shot?

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Nature Boy wrote:So when Marcelo and ronaldo play at the same time they play both in the same position? (Left wing?)

Exactly

But I guess that logic is ok on GL
Plus I guess its completely ok to ignore my heatmaps but use mole's average position maps like they were sent from jesus

You realise his post is disagreeing with what your saying right?

How can Cristiano be on the wing as you say if Marcelo is too?

Its not possible, someone isnt there...that would be Cristiano.

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Nature Boy wrote:So when Marcelo and ronaldo play at the same time they play both in the same position? (Left wing?)

Exactly

But I guess that logic is ok on GL
Plus I guess its completely ok to ignore my heatmaps but use mole's average position maps like they were sent from jesus

You realise his post is disagreeing with what your saying right?

How can Cristiano be on the wing as you say if Marcelo is too?

Its not possible, someone isnt there...that would be Cristiano.

So what you are saying is its impossible for opposing fullbacks to overlap is there is a winger playing?

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Holy hell man.

He scores all his goals from the center, everything of any production comes from the center.....

Whichever way you want to slice it, he is doing what he does in the middle.

How do you score goals from the wing?

He isnt creating for anyone else, from the middle, wing wherever..so what is he doing from the wing?

Nothing is the answer.

If there is a counter attack and there is space on the wing....obviously he is going to go there..that doesnt make you a winger.....every player, winger, fullback, center mid, centerforward, whatever...if it is a counter attack and there is space there, that is where they are going.

Isolated moments like those do not trump game after game after game.

You use your Sevilla game, I can use the Barca game where he wins a pen vs Pique on the right side of the box..is he stil a leftwinger receving the ball there?

No of course not, he just ran where the space dictated him.

Why do I have to say this stuff, its so frecking obvious.

He doesn't create from the wing?

He is no xavi but he usually puts in a decent cross or does something with it there

In fact the first scene in that video is ronaldo playing a killer pass..


No of course not, he just ran where the space dictated him.

Why do I have to say this stuff, its so frecking obvious.

EXACTLY my point. a right winger or a left winger DOES NOT HAVE TO STICK TO HIS SIDE
Sure he doesn't have typical qualities of an out-and-out winger, but to say he isn't one is just stupid.

Those isolated moments were ALL of his touches..

Plus, almost none of those touches were during a counter attack watch the videos at least

You also contradict yourself referring to that penalty. If so what about ronaldos goal where he did a stepover vs pique and cut to the left and shot?

Decent cross and yet no assists...please stop. He does nothing of production from the flank.

And no its not your point, you dont even understand the point..clearly...You 60% of the ball in games and not every counter attack is Cristiano on the left...so obviously, more often, Cristiano is not on the left......

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:



You realise his post is disagreeing with what your saying right?

How can Cristiano be on the wing as you say if Marcelo is too?

Its not possible, someone isnt there...that would be Cristiano.

So what you are saying is its impossible for opposing fullbacks to overlap is there is a winger playing?

How can Marcelo overlap if Cristiano is on the flank?

For Marcelo to overlap, Cristiano would have to be in a different position..ideally in the center, thus giving Marcelo space to do so....

And you play football.....for god sake

The Franchise wrote:Yes assists are the only way to measure where someone plays.

Lets not take into account teammates, team, games played and everything else of any importance...genuis...

Cristiano doesnt provide much of anything from wide areas, if you cant agree on that there is no hope.

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:



You realise his post is disagreeing with what your saying right?

How can Cristiano be on the wing as you say if Marcelo is too?

Its not possible, someone isnt there...that would be Cristiano.

So what you are saying is its impossible for opposing fullbacks to overlap is there is a winger playing?

How can Marcelo overlap if Cristiano is on the flank?

For Marcelo to overlap, Cristiano would have to be in a different position..ideally in the center, thus giving Marcelo space to do so....

And you play football.....for god sake

Do you think people play football on a hockey rink?

Of course there is enough room for marcelo to overlap. if ronaldo drags the full back about 3-7m from the touch line, I would think marcelo would have enough room to run

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Yes assists are the only way to measure where someone plays.

Lets not take into account teammates, team, games played and everything else of any importance...genuis...

Cristiano doesnt provide much of anything from wide areas, if you cant agree on that there is no hope.

You just used assists to judge ronaldo as a winger
But now its other stuff?

I proved in those two youtube posts that cristiano indeed does provide decent width and crossing.

No hope? how about we agree to disagree, although my point has been proven more then enough? Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean there is "no hope"

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

How can Marcelo overlap if Cristiano is on the flank?

For Marcelo to overlap, Cristiano would have to be in a different position..ideally in the center, thus giving Marcelo space to do so....

And you play football.....for god sake

Do you think people play football on a hockey rink?

Of course there is enough room for marcelo to overlap. if ronaldo drags the full back about 3-7m from the touch line, I would think marcelo would have enough room to run

3-7 meters...you think, Marcelo can stand 3-7m from Cristiano on a consistent basis and get down the outside?

Superb idea.

73m wide pitch at th Bernabeu and you think two players can and do play in a space 3-7m apart.

Superb.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:But if Ronaldo was a winger.... surely Marcelo injured wouldn't be a problem?

Surely he can provide said width if he's the winger you claim him to be?

Maybe its because he isn't and your fullbacks provide your width?

Also heat maps say nothing because Ronaldo has a free role and goes where the f*ck he likes his average position is more telling and he hasn't been a winger for years.

You can't hide from the facts he's basically next to Benzema/Higuain in every single game.

Another thing if he was a winger then Benzema and Higuian would score more goals him occupying their space is directly effecting their goalscoring potential.

I suppose you would call Bale a winger too yes

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Yes assists are the only way to measure where someone plays.

Lets not take into account teammates, team, games played and everything else of any importance...genuis...

Cristiano doesnt provide much of anything from wide areas, if you cant agree on that there is no hope.

You just used assists to judge ronaldo as a winger
But now its other stuff?

I proved in those two youtube posts that cristiano indeed does provide decent width and crossing.

No hope? how about we agree to disagree, although my point has been proven more then enough? Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean there is "no hope"

No, I used assists to make your claim that he puts in great crosses look totally foolish.

Great crosses and yet no assists...sure buddy.

And no, there is no hope, because you are disputing facts. That is not agreeing and disagreeing.

The Franchise wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Nature Boy wrote:So when Marcelo and ronaldo play at the same time they play both in the same position? (Left wing?)

Exactly

But I guess that logic is ok on GL
Plus I guess its completely ok to ignore my heatmaps but use mole's average position maps like they were sent from jesus

You realise his post is disagreeing with what your saying right?

How can Cristiano be on the wing as you say if Marcelo is too?

Its not possible, someone isnt there...that would be Cristiano.

Yohan Modric wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:But if Ronaldo was a winger.... surely Marcelo injured wouldn't be a problem?

Surely he can provide said width if he's the winger you claim him to be?

Maybe its because he isn't and your fullbacks provide your width?

Also heat maps say nothing because Ronaldo has a free role and goes where the f*ck he likes his average position is more telling and he hasn't been a winger for years.

You can't hide from the facts he's basically next to Benzema/Higuain in every single game.

Another thing if he was a winger then Benzema and Higuian would score more goals him occupying their space is directly effecting their goalscoring potential.

I suppose you would call Bale a winger too yes

Where he goes/roams to isn't his position.

Heatmaps show Dani Alves at RW, is he a RW?

The heatmap vs Man Utd for Ronaldo, who is in the LW area:




Being a winger isn't just playing an inch from the touchline.