If Arsenal don't win the CL/finish 4th, is it time for Wenger to get sacked/leave?

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Post by Dnmac4 Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:55 pm

Wait, hold on. Wenger is the highest paid manager in the EPL?

I never knew that, that is shocking and quite hypocritical of him as he usually whines and crows when players want to move to City or other teams to get paid.

Does he make more then any player on the team?

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Post by RealGunner Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:11 pm

2nd highest paid manager
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:56 pm

Lets put it this way if Wenger leaves i have no problem taking him off your hands Laughing

Wenger coaching Ben Arfa :bow:
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Post by OLpower Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:00 pm

The fall of Arsenal from the statut of being a top team has been very slow but regular. I imagine it is very hard for the Arsenal fans to see their club being pushed away from the top clubs each year a little more.

At this point, I don't think anybody could do better than Wenger with this squad. It is just not elite anymore. Arsenal needs to spend big, to bring 10/10 players instead of 7-8/10 players
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Post by VanDeezNuts Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:07 pm

the big questions for me would be if arsenal got a new manager would more money be invested into the team? and would they get rid of this ridiculous wage structure?

because overall wenger is still a great manager - even though there have been some bizarre tactical decisions. But the biggest concern has to be about the players coming in.

edit:and being able to hold on to players


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Post by Onyx Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:20 pm

They need to be going for players like Falcao, Cavani etc. Players that Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, Barca etc etc go for.

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Post by Lex Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:37 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:They need to be going for players like Falcao, Cavani etc, Players that Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, Barca etc etc go for.

We offer Falcao x amount in wages and Atletico x amount in fees, City come bumbling in with twice the amount in wages and twice the amount in fees = Falcao goes to City
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Post by Helmer Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:46 pm

btw, the title of the thread "If Arsenal don't win the CL" Laughing

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Post by OLpower Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:05 pm

Lex wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:They need to be going for players like Falcao, Cavani etc, Players that Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, Barca etc etc go for.

We offer Falcao x amount in wages and Atletico x amount in fees, City come bumbling in with twice the amount in wages and twice the amount in fees = Falcao goes to City

Then go for the striker who will leave City.

Arsenal needs to try to catch the big players.
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Post by Jay29 Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:06 pm

vanDEEZ wrote:the big questions for me would be if arsenal got a new manager would more money be invested into the team? and would they get rid of this ridiculous wage structure?

because overall wenger is still a great manager - even though there have been some bizarre tactical decisions. But the biggest concern has to be about the players coming in.

edit:and being able to hold on to players

Given that our current wage structure is based off Wenger's own ideas, I'd imagine that a new manager would be able to change it if he wanted to. Moreover, it wouldn't be a question of more funds being available for the new manager, but the new manager making full use of available resources.

I find this talk of "needing serious investment" silly, in any case. I'm not against spending big on quality players but ultimately what's needed is sensible investment on players that can address the needs of the squad and a manager that can get that squad performing to expected standards consistently. The current squad does have the necessary quality to finish in the top four - it's certainly not any worse than Spurs' and Everton's squads - but it hasn't performed as consistently as it should be doing.

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Post by iftikhar Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:00 am

Funny I didn't noticed this thread as I meant to ask a similar (what will happen if Arsenal don't qualify for CL!) question!

So if Arsenal don't qualify for CL (they are not going to win CL) will Arsen leave! If so,

1. Who will replace Arsen!
2. Where will Arsen go!!

Do you see a Arsen-Klopp swap!!!
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Post by VanDeezNuts Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:24 am

man was wenger pissed in that press conference.

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Post by nasir6371 Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:54 am

Lex wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:They need to be going for players like Falcao, Cavani etc, Players that Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, Barca etc etc go for.

We offer Falcao x amount in wages and Atletico x amount in fees, City come bumbling in with twice the amount in wages and twice the amount in fees = Falcao goes to City

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Post by rwo power Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:28 am

iftikhar wrote:Do you see a Arsen-Klopp swap!!!
Nope as Kloppo has a contract till 2016 and he honours contracts. (He wasn't even tempted by 1st BL offers when he still was coaching Mainz in the 2nd BL; he only went to Dortmund after his Mainz contract was finished).
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Post by iftikhar Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:09 am

rwo power wrote:
iftikhar wrote:Do you see a Arsen-Klopp swap!!!
Nope as Kloppo has a contract till 2016 and he honours contracts. (He wasn't even tempted by 1st BL offers when he still was coaching Mainz in the 2nd BL; he only went to Dortmund after his Mainz contract was finished).

Really. That's way too cool (for these days).
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Post by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:24 am

At this point it's about whether Wenger wants to leave, not if he gets sacked. Any self respecting top club would have sacked him 3 years ago maybe even before then.

"You either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

I still think that most of Wnger's success is down to him inheriting some great players, especially in defence. He built on that but their influence slowly faded away year after year. Wenger has a great mind for football but his approach has never been strong or bold enough imo. Sir Alex has his fck ups in the transfer market but he understands that you need to risk it to get the biscuit. That's why he's leading United to another league title and Wenger is slowly but surely seeing Arsenal slip away.


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Post by Lex Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:06 pm

nasir6371 wrote:
Lex wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:They need to be going for players like Falcao, Cavani etc, Players that Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, Barca etc etc go for.

We offer Falcao x amount in wages and Atletico x amount in fees, City come bumbling in with twice the amount in wages and twice the amount in fees = Falcao goes to City

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I don't think I understand this game too well Sad
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Post by the xcx Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:37 pm

I cant belive I got warned just for saying Wenger is incompetent. Injustice Mad
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Post by OLpower Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:47 pm

The xcx wrote:I cant belive I got warned just for saying Wenger is incompetent. Injustice Mad

You got warned for that? This website is getting worse and worse. I got warned and no moderator has had the courage to tell me why.
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Post by spanky Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:47 pm

wenger is a good coach and i think he doesnt need to be replaced, just be given a proper financial support.
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Post by Mr. Moratti Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:10 pm

Only reason I would hope they sack him is if he comes to Inter... otherwise Arsenal would be stupid to sack him...
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Post by Peccadillo Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:05 am

Football as we all know.. is very simple.
Wenger has failed to deliver, we are in a steady and consistent decline and have been for some time. Something needs to change.

The knee-jerking I'm seeing reading all these posts, I agree, is counter-productive. To look at it objectively we need to approach it with with pragmatism and systematically.

1. Identify the problem. Is it Wenger REALLY the crux of the problem here? Who else is contributing to our shortcomings? Have we evaluated all variables and assessed the functionality of our club in it's entirety?

2. Has Wenger been given too much authority in areas where he may not be as proficient as somebody else? May it help to get fresh faces on payroll who can improve these areas?

3. IF we look at this and determine Wenger is enough of a problem (which I concede he may well be) and is indeed stifling our success.. what is the better solution? Pardew? Guardiola? Are there any plausible managers out there who we have enough information to reasonable incline us to believe it will improve the situation?

So unless somebody can tell me who we should bring in to replace Wenger and offer a detailed Cost-Benefit analysis of the decision to do so, I reserve my judgement.

Surely we owe Wenger a deliberated and calculated decision at least before we start calling for his head??? He has ALREADY proven he is a world class manager - he has that knowledge, he has that experience - you don't just lose that - MAYBE he's not adaptable enough. Maybe he is too narrow-minded. Maybe the glory days that have past were purely down to the everything just coincidently aligning in the cosmos in conjunction with Wenger's then-impenetrable system, which over time teams figured out how to penetrate - and MAYBE he had no plan B.. Maybe he's gone just senile!

But surely.. Through his success, dedication, loyalty and for everything beautiful he has brought to Arsenal - SURELY we OWE it to him and to ourselves to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that we make the right decision.

Imagine - what a kick in the teeth it would be if we call for the sacking of this man only find next season we blow millions on pounds under new management, only to find ourselves no where near the top four, with a manager who has proven himself elsewhere but may be incompatible/incompetent for the job at Arsenal (I believe Wenger is at the VERY least competent!) and with, yet again no silver-ware come the end of the year. In the process wasting all the efforts made over the past years trying to develop a financially sustainable club and trying to ensure our heads stay above water whilst paying off the new stadium.

We as Arsenal fans had it very easy a short time ago for so long, maybe we got used to taking it for granted. Now things are hard we find it so easy to criticize and to scapegoat... yet neglect our own duty to the club as fans! This is harsh but must be said (maybe im just getting over-emotional) I have felt shame on so many occasions we have lost to greatly inferior teams, Bradford, Blackburn.. However I feel equal shame in our lack of activism as Arsenal fans.

Where is the pressure on the board for transparency? Where is the DEMAND to the powers that be to invoke change? This may seem like a double-standard as one the one hand I'm saying lets take a conservative approach to dealing with Wenger, then on the other hand I'm making a call to arms - but thought before action, every time. Who are we really angry at? What do we really want to change at our club? IS Wenger the problem? Have we considered a better solution (than sacking him)?


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Post by CBarca Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:21 am

OLpower wrote:
The xcx wrote:I cant belive I got warned just for saying Wenger is incompetent. Injustice Mad

You got warned for that? This website is getting worse and worse. I got warned and no moderator has had the courage to tell me why.

Nobody needs to tell you why, you're constantly attacking other posters. There, you got your reason why.
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Post by The Sanchez Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:49 am

Any thoughts of who is going to come in?
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Post by Forza Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:22 am

Going... going... [bar a overturn of the 1st leg deficit in Munich]... GONE!
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Post by The Sanchez Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:27 am

Forza Rossoneri wrote:Going... going... [bar a overturn of the 1st leg deficit in Munich]... GONE!

For a second I thought you were going to say Chen was to take over Wenger but this comment is so much better. Cool
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